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Gun Talk: Ten Rounds In A Magazine May Not Be Enough Firearm Realities (Update)
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | January 20, 2011 | Steve McGough

Posted on 01/20/2011 5:07:19 PM PST by Biggirl

Gun control advocates and even former Vice President Dick Cheney have suggested having 10 rounds available in a magazine for a semi-automatic pistol “seems” like enough to protect oneself, yet the argument is simply an extension of a random number that “seems” to make people feel better and has no relation to real-world situations.

I’ve caught a few posts during the last week concerning the number of rounds a pistol magazine can hold. It’s an emotional issue for many, but limiting the magazine capacity of semi-automatic pistols would not make a difference, and could put those defending themselves in a more difficult situation.

Rick Green at the Hartford Courant has brought this subject up twice (here and here) within the last week mentioning he tried to get an answer from Sen. Dick Blumenthal (D-Conn.) concerning a proposed limit. Ed Morrisey at Hot Air posted just today referencing Cheney’s comment about the same.

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To: dila813

You mean 45 ACP or 45 Colt? If you mean 45 ACP vs. 9x19 (Luger/Para), the 9 is less powerful, but not so much less as to be a ridiculous choice for self defense. Certainly not three times or four times less. And I don’t get the revolver vs. auto comparison, as the 45 ACP and 9mm Para are both typically auto rounds. Maybe you meant 45 Colt, but that’s not the round most people use as a defensive round in a revolver either. I can’t follow your reasoning.


41 posted on 01/21/2011 3:20:15 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Blueflag

Goes back to the (old wild west?) adage, don’t bring out your gun unless to shoot; don’t shoot unless to kill.

However...in the modern world, would you rather scare off an attacker by presenting a weapon or deal with the aftermath of spilling blood?

And yes, legally, police etc will tell you presenting the gun is “brandishing” in public... usually on a dark street with no rules ;)

Don’t misunderstand, to present the weapon you must be fully willing to use it, or it will be used against you. However in many circumstances simply presenting the gun will send the scumbags scurrying as often occurs.

Of course all relative to the situation and the threat level..ie Numerous adversaries hands visible compared to one advancing attacker with blade.


42 posted on 01/21/2011 7:06:49 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: The Cajun

Ever try the 10mm?

For example, the Glock 20...same size frame as Glock 21 in .45 acp, yet much less recoil, does not climb, gun pushes slightly back into your hand..with the right ammo, equivalency of a .41 magnum, very fast repeat shots.

Or get a hotter load like the Double Tap 230 grain hard cast, little more climbing than like .45acp!

Downside 10mm ammo is more expensive, less available. ;(


43 posted on 01/21/2011 7:15:13 PM PST by TheBigJ
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To: Still Thinking

45 Revolver is what I was talking about, but just relaying an opinion. I really don’t know.


44 posted on 01/21/2011 7:45:18 PM PST by dila813
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To: TheBigJ
Downside 10mm ammo is more expensive, less available.

Kind of the reason I went with the 9mm Glock 17. I practice a lot, built my own target range on some property I own in the middle of nowhere.
The primary reason I went to a semi-auto was a little arthritis starting up in my right hand, particularly thumb. Always used single and double action revolvers before. The .44 Redhawk is no longer fun to target practice with.
Liked the Glock more than I thought I would.

45 posted on 01/21/2011 8:08:29 PM PST by The Cajun
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To: dila813

45 Colt (revolver cartridge) is certainly hotter than either a 9x19 or 45 ACP (although there are revolvers that will take 45 ACP).


46 posted on 01/21/2011 8:23:27 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Sergio

Stay away from the KelTec PMR 30. They are already having feed problems and returns are running off the scale.


47 posted on 01/21/2011 8:32:42 PM PST by MHGinTN (Some, believing they can't be deceived, it's nigh impossible to convince them when they're deceived.)
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To: TheBigJ

Agreed. It is not cut and dry.

Our military applies (at least) two criteria to threat assessment:

(1) what CAN the adversary do - what are they CAPABLE of

(2) what do they INTEND to do.

In a personal defense situation we largely deal with inference and our perception of the situation to assess #2 first, with far less regard for #1. Thus the expected question of ‘was deadly force warranted?’


48 posted on 01/22/2011 5:08:54 AM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
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To: Bryanw92
In the real world, if you NEED a reload you have already failed the First Rule of Pistols: A handgun is for defense only. You use it to get away from a gunfight.

Visualize being caught in the Rodney King riots. Now visualize having to leave the danger zone on foot. How much ammo would you need?

49 posted on 01/22/2011 5:33:29 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: ADemocratNoMore
The author,Jim Higginbotham, who has had decades of LEO experience makes the case that even in the case of lethal hits, the perp has enough time to fire back, and in many cases kill people who were waiting to see the effect of their initial hits on target.

That's why cops are taught to keep firing until the bad guy goes down. Some places, I think they are taught to empty the magazine.

50 posted on 01/22/2011 5:38:41 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: PapaBear3625

>> How much ammo would you need?

More than you would have been carrying. If you saw the warning signs and armed yourself appropriately, you would have been carrying a rifle or shotgun with the ammo you need. If the riot sprung up suddenly without any warning and you only had your concealed handgun, you’d be carrying one and maybe two spare magazines.

I never said that reloading is wrong. I only stated that the first rule of handguns is that you use it to get away from a gunfight. Tactical reloads and tactical training does not turn you into a person that can put down a riot with a handgun. Only a Texas Ranger can do that.


51 posted on 01/22/2011 12:55:01 PM PST by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
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To: The Cajun
You certainly can pack more rounds in a 9mm, but since I am a “subject” in the People's Republic of California, I am limited to 10 rounds, and so, I'll go with the bigger .45ACP. Hmmmm...maybe I'm trying to compensate for something. lol!
52 posted on 01/24/2011 8:52:17 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: MHGinTN

Darn...I was afraid of that. Thanks for the information.


53 posted on 01/24/2011 8:54:03 AM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Sergio

It takes 3 9’s to equal 1 45 ACP. End of debate.......


54 posted on 01/24/2011 9:01:43 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (Patriotic by Proxy! (Cause I'm a nutcase and it's someone Else's' fault!....))
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To: Sergio
Hmmmm...maybe I'm trying to compensate for something. lol!

LOL, I got accused of that by my buddies many moons ago when I bought my .44 Redhawk when Ruger first came out with them :^)

55 posted on 01/24/2011 2:49:48 PM PST by The Cajun
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