Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Gun Talk: Ten Rounds In A Magazine May Not Be Enough Firearm Realities (Update)
http://radioviceonline.com/ ^ | January 20, 2011 | Steve McGough

Posted on 01/20/2011 5:07:19 PM PST by Biggirl

Gun control advocates and even former Vice President Dick Cheney have suggested having 10 rounds available in a magazine for a semi-automatic pistol “seems” like enough to protect oneself, yet the argument is simply an extension of a random number that “seems” to make people feel better and has no relation to real-world situations.

I’ve caught a few posts during the last week concerning the number of rounds a pistol magazine can hold. It’s an emotional issue for many, but limiting the magazine capacity of semi-automatic pistols would not make a difference, and could put those defending themselves in a more difficult situation.

Rick Green at the Hartford Courant has brought this subject up twice (here and here) within the last week mentioning he tried to get an answer from Sen. Dick Blumenthal (D-Conn.) concerning a proposed limit. Ed Morrisey at Hot Air posted just today referencing Cheney’s comment about the same.

(Excerpt) Read more at radioviceonline.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: az; banglist; guns; tuscon
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last
A feature in the article is a video of director Michael Moore. Have at it!
1 posted on 01/20/2011 5:07:23 PM PST by Biggirl
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

2 posted on 01/20/2011 5:09:34 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ls4Uq1aCiTA

Solves the problem.

Learn to reload. Carry an extra mag or two on your belt.

In the real world if you have time to draw in the first place, you likely have time to reload ... if you are practiced.


3 posted on 01/20/2011 5:11:53 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

I better buy a Draco while can.


4 posted on 01/20/2011 5:13:17 PM PST by Bringbackthedraft (The candidate they smear and ridicule the most is the one they fear the most.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl
The father of a friend of mine was a Texas Ranger. Jim still has his service gun, a Gold Cup 1911 believe it or not.

He related to me that his dad told him once, when there was trouble, to "just put lead in the air, Jimmie".

5 posted on 01/20/2011 5:14:06 PM PST by grobdriver (Proud Member, Party Of No! No Socialism - No Fascism - Nobama - No Way!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Blueflag

>>In the real world if you have time to draw in the first place, you likely have time to reload ... if you are practiced.

In the real world, if you NEED a reload you have already failed the First Rule of Pistols: A handgun is for defense only. You use it to get away from a gunfight.


6 posted on 01/20/2011 5:16:34 PM PST by Bryanw92 (We don't need to win elections. We need to win a revolution.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: grobdriver
It's time to LEAVE GUN OWNERS ALONE.

I, for one, am sick of being blamed every time another "gun incident" pops up.

Government is too freaking big at every level.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2623044/posts

DE-FUND!!!

7 posted on 01/20/2011 5:17:46 PM PST by Jerrybob
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

Isn’t the relative stopping power of a 9mm vs a 45 between 3:1 or 4:1?

Doesn’t this mean you have to 3 bullets in your semi vs 1 in a revolver to equal the required stopping power for one attacker?

If so, this means a mag of 10 is just sufficient for 3 attackers and either you need another mag or an extended mag to ensure that you have the same stopping power of the 45 revolver.

Not an expert, but I believe this was what was explained to me by my local gun expert a few years ago.


8 posted on 01/20/2011 5:17:48 PM PST by dila813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

Kel-Tec has a nice looking plinker that holds 30 rounds of .22 Magnum. Hopefully, they will make one that can fire .22LR as well.


9 posted on 01/20/2011 5:18:17 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: dila813
With modern bullet design and powders, the stopping power for a 9mm and a .45ACP are about the same. That being said, I still prefer a .45ACP.

The “one shot stop” capability of either round is less than 100%, this is why you shoot in pairs.

Another rule of gunfighting. If you know handguns will be used, bring a shotgun or rifle. As posted earlier, handguns are more for defense than offense.

10 posted on 01/20/2011 5:23:01 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 8 | View Replies]

To: Bryanw92

No. My trainer says otherwise.

*IF* you have drawn, you have made a [legal and moral] decision to employ deadly force to stop a threat. Not “get away.”

AND

There may be more than one perp to deal with.

AND

MOST people have NEVER had to fire their weapon in real life - ie AT a human who is threatening them, moving, out in the open, an so on. MOST shots WILL miss. You may need a reload to stay alive. (even if it is to run away)

So, if you HAVE made the decision to draw, you are **NOT** doing so to threaten. You are doing so because the situation requires you to use deadly force to protect life and property.

I am taught to never draw and point my weapon at a human unless I MUST and INTEND to use deadly force to ELIMINATE a threat.

Back to you ;-)


11 posted on 01/20/2011 5:23:01 PM PST by Blueflag (Res ipsa loquitur)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

Targeting: Biggirl

"Gun control advocates and even former Vice President Dick Cheney"

Gun control advocates such as former Vice President Dick Cheney


12 posted on 01/20/2011 5:23:30 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl; Envisioning; waterhill

ping


13 posted on 01/20/2011 5:23:42 PM PST by ixtl ( I may disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Bryanw92

“A handgun is for defense only. You use it to get away from a gunfight.”
I only plan to use it to fight my way to my shotgun.


14 posted on 01/20/2011 5:23:56 PM PST by bitterohiogunclinger (Proudly casting a heavy carbon footprint as I clean my guns ---)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Biggirl

How I responded to a lefty regarding magazine rounds:

1) Shouldn’t ‘people of color’ be allowed to defend themselves from a group of 18 armed rednecks that always get guns like a crackhead can get smack???

2) Shouldn’t females who wish to exercise their reproductive rights, be allowed to defend themselves, with a gun with enough ammo against the Christian Taliban reacting to Sarah Palin’s angry rhetoric??

3) A gay person should have enough rounds to defend themselves against the homophobic crowd often found in rural areas. No More Matthew Shepards please!!!

4) Shouldn’t a progressive liberal trapped in NASCAR country have a large enough magazine round to defend themselves from Southerners who wish to restart the Civil War???


15 posted on 01/20/2011 5:26:35 PM PST by Le Chien Rouge
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Sergio

Maybe it changed, he was saying double tap the chest and single tap the head with the 9 and the 45 was a single tap to the head.

You guys on the forums always keep on this stuff, I don’t. That being said, I am sure there is a valid reason to have extended mags.

When I was in the service, we had 9 shot mags which were only loaded with 5 cartridges. In training we were told that the mags had a propensity for jamming when carrying cartridges for a long time in a full mag (they were only removed from the mag once per week for inspection). We were told that the spring when compressed for long periods of time would not reliably provide enough force to push a cartridge in.

Is this a reason for extended mags as well?


16 posted on 01/20/2011 5:31:41 PM PST by dila813
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: Blueflag

Very well said B.


17 posted on 01/20/2011 5:32:55 PM PST by bobby.223
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 11 | View Replies]

To: Le Chien Rouge

Very good!


18 posted on 01/20/2011 5:33:37 PM PST by rockrr ("I said that I was scared of you!" - pokie the pretend cowboy)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: bitterohiogunclinger
I only plan to use it to fight my way to my shotgun.

You are a great tactician!

19 posted on 01/20/2011 5:35:58 PM PST by The Cajun
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: Le Chien Rouge

lol! Love it!


20 posted on 01/20/2011 5:39:07 PM PST by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-2021-4041-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson