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It's Lights Out For The Incandescent Bulb In Calif
NPR ^ | January 23, 2011 | The Associated Press via NPR

Posted on 01/23/2011 10:17:15 AM PST by TaxPayer2000

The brightest bulb in most homes for more than a century is fading toward darkness this year as California turns out the light on the century-old incandescent.

Beginning Jan. 1, the state began phasing out certain energy-sucking bulbs, federal standards the rest of the country will enact next year.

Manufacturers will no longer make the traditional 100-watt bulb and stores will eventually sell out of current supplies. Consumers will have to choose from more efficient bulbs that use no more than 72 watts, including halogen incandescents, compact fluorescents and light-emitting diode, or LED, bulbs.

"These standards will help cut our nation's electric bill by over $10 billion a year and will save the equivalent electricity as 30 large power plants," said Noah Horowitz a senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council. "That translates into a whole lot less global warming pollution being emitted."

The change is part of the federal Energy Independence and Security Act that President George Bush signed in 2007, to reduce energy use and greenhouse gas emissions. California was allowed to adopt the national standard one year earlier.

The act requires new bulbs to use 25 to 30 percent less energy beginning in 2012 nationally — starting with the 100-watt bulb. By 2014, other incandescent bulbs, including the 75-, 60- and 40-watt, will also be phased out across the country.

Some specialty bulbs, however, will continue to be available. Consumers will still be able to get smaller lights such as yellow bug lights and aquarium bulbs.

Light bulb manufacturers said they haven't gotten any reports of customers hoarding 100-watt bulbs yet, though that may change once supplies begin to dry up and word gets out.

Nick Reynoza, manager at Royal Lighting in Los Angeles, said it's a shame the transition comes at a time when alternatives are so much more expensive.

"It's not really an option — you have this or you don't get anything," he said. "The options are more expensive. Four incandescents are $1.00, the halogens are $5.99 and the LED are like $20."

While conservation groups back the change and the lighting industry has invested heavily in new technology, not everyone supports the law. Rep. Joe Barton, R-Texas, who could not immediately be reached for comment, reintroduced legislation this year to repeal the law.

"People don't want Congress dictating what light fixtures they can use," said Rep. Barton on his website. "Traditional incandescent bulbs are cheap and reliable."

Adam Gottlieb, spokesman for the California Energy Commission, acknowledged that the change has resulted in a "great deal of hue and cry" on some blogs as well. Recent postings have included the titles "More dim bulbs: California banning 100-watt incandescent light bulbs" and "More evidence that California is nuts."

Gottlieb, however, said it was not a ban and that consumers can still buy whatever bulbs they want as long as they meet the new standards.

"After 130 years Tom Edison's old-fashioned light bulb is getting a 20th century makeover," he said. "The simple truth is consumers will save money."

The newer bulbs are more expensive than incandescents, but supporters of the technology say they last so much longer that there is a financial savings in the end. For example, while incandescents provide as much as 2,000 hours of light, compact fluorescents can provide light for six times longer.

Incandescents, which create light by passing an electric current through a tungsten wire filament, also waste 90 percent of the electricity they use as heat instead of light. Fluorescents, by comparison, apply an electrical current to different types of phosphers to produce light and produce less heat.

But fans of the traditional bulb say they provide a softer, more natural light and turn on more quickly. Michael Petras, president of GE Lighting, said the industry is aware of the shortcomings and is working to refine the technology.

"We've got compact fluorescents that look like incandescents," he said from the company's headquarters in Cleveland. "We have a product coming out this spring that's a hybrid of compact fluorescent and halogen that will provide energy savings and a better start up time."

Australia was the first to begin phasing out incandescents beginning in 2009, followed by the European Union, the Philippines and Argentina, said Petras. Mexico and Brazil are expected to follow the U.S.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: energy; government; lightbulb; nannystate; regulations
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1 posted on 01/23/2011 10:17:18 AM PST by TaxPayer2000
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To: TaxPayer2000

Last one out of California can turn it off.


2 posted on 01/23/2011 10:20:17 AM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Consumers will save money....especially when they all plug in their electric cars and they have to pay for the electric AND for the expansion of the Grid AND for new stringent criteria by the EPA.


3 posted on 01/23/2011 10:22:55 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: TaxPayer2000

The headlong drive to the stone age continues unabated.


4 posted on 01/23/2011 10:23:45 AM PST by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: RoadTest
I don't believe this is not going to work as planned. Those new bulbs give off half the light they claim, and in an odd color. They contain mercury, and they don't last nearly as long as claimed. Most cannot be used with a dimmer or photo switch or microprocessor controlled timer. In short, they suck...
Remember when Jimmy Carter tried to convert the country to the metric system...I predict it will be like that. A flop.
5 posted on 01/23/2011 10:26:06 AM PST by johnandrhonda (have you hugged your banjo today?)
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To: TaxPayer2000
One of the more amazing claims is that incandescent bulbs produce a more natural light.

Hmm. Think about that a while ~ electric lighting is totally man-made ~ it's no more natural than that pre-cooked artificial bacon and bacon byproduct stuff sold in boxes at room temperature!

Then there's "Wheat and Polenta Bread" used to make French Toast. Sure, that'll work ~ but why?

6 posted on 01/23/2011 10:26:33 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TaxPayer2000

“energy-sucking”

Heh.


7 posted on 01/23/2011 10:26:45 AM PST by thecodont
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To: Sacajaweau

It has NOTHING to do with saving consumers money;it is ,like the government mandated digital TV and radio,simply a way to FORCE the consumer to spend more,thus keeping the factories in business.(Chinese factories,at that.)


8 posted on 01/23/2011 10:27:47 AM PST by hoosierham (Waddaya mean Freedom isn't free ?;will you take a credit card?)
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To: TaxPayer2000

“”These standards will help cut our nation’s electric bill by over $10 billion a year and will save the equivalent electricity as 30 large power plants,” said Noah Horowitz a senior scientist with the Natural Resources Defense Council. “That translates into a whole lot less global warming pollution being emitted.”

The left is telling a fairy tale about lighting technology. Consumers are rational for the large part. They will choose the lighting technology that best satisfies their needs. Consumers consider purchase price, longetivity, lighting quality, energy consumption and other features. Consumers would choose CFL, LED, and other new technologies appropriately. For prolonged lighting situations, these new technologies often are good alternatives. For non prolonged lighting situations, incandescants are often better.

There is no net benefit from restricting consumer choices. Consumers would already choose new technologies when appropriate. The left is forcing inappropriate choices, costing consumers large amounts. For a bathroom fixture that is operated for only short periods, new lighting technologies deliver little if any energy gains but cost consumers much higher amounts. In addition, some consumers value the light quality of incandescants. These consumers are willing to incur more energy energy usage for better light quality.

The incandescant ban is just another energy boondoggle alongside a growing list including ethanol, biofuels, wind power, solar power, ...


9 posted on 01/23/2011 10:28:05 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: muawiyah; TaxPayer2000

Good point. How many of these people pushing the mercury-laden (man-made) bulbs are also devotees of fake, soy-based “meat” products?


10 posted on 01/23/2011 10:28:38 AM PST by thecodont
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To: TaxPayer2000
I will meet any Freeper at the border on I-80 with as many 100 watt bulbs as they want(for a small surcharge).
11 posted on 01/23/2011 10:28:54 AM PST by mad_as_he$$ (V for Vendetta.)
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To: AEMILIUS PAULUS

“The headlong drive to the stone age continues unabated.”

THAT is the real objective, turn CA and the USA into a third world stone age nation, by destroying our economy with insane government regulations.

The worst is that people are just sitting tight and putting up with it, and we’ll all be like frogs, getting slowly cooked to death, because this infringement on our freedoms is incremental — why should people get upset if the government tells you how much water you can use in your toilet, shower, what lightbulbs to use in your own house, these are just “small” things, and next thing we know we won’t have ANY freedoms left.


12 posted on 01/23/2011 10:29:15 AM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

“federal standards the rest of the country will enact next year.”

And nobody is fighting this...


13 posted on 01/23/2011 10:32:04 AM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

So will CA set up border stations to check people coming in for the old bulbs??


14 posted on 01/23/2011 10:32:16 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Lawyer, A Painter, A Politician And The Media Can Change Black To White)
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To: TaxPayer2000
NOGREEN
15 posted on 01/23/2011 10:39:49 AM PST by FrankR (The Evil Are Powerless If The Good Are Unafraid! - R. Reagan)
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To: Innovative

“No freedoms left” is exactly right, and furthermore, elections will be so rigged we won’t have a Congress to overturn anything.


16 posted on 01/23/2011 10:40:05 AM PST by charlie72
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To: Innovative

“No freedoms left” is exactly right, and furthermore, elections will be so rigged we won’t have a Congress to overturn anything.


17 posted on 01/23/2011 10:41:25 AM PST by charlie72
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To: thecodont
Hey, you missed my point. ALL lightbulbs are "fake" man ~ "fake" ~ there is no "It's more nachrul" when it comes to light from a LIGHTBULB.

Rush Limbaugh had this video of a fireplace with a log burning ~ now that's "natural" ~ the rest is totally fake!

There's even fake bacon, and fake beef ~ they make "fake beef flavor" to put in the Heinz "pure nachurl" ketchup packets at McDonalds ~ but that beef flavor is made out of WHEAT and 3.54% of us can't eat wheat!

I have to take my own ketchup to McDonalds!

And you might ask why McDonald's put artificial beef flavor in ketchup? It was to make up for the fact they took the tallow out of the pure, vegetarian oil they fried their pure vegetarian potatoes in ~ and you know what tallow comes from, right? TRIGLYCERIDE FACTORIES (of course)!

NO IT DOESN'T. Tallow comes from cows! MOOOOOOOOOO! Cows make tallow. McDonald's melted it down and put it in oil. That flavored the french fries. Then, they took the tallow out of the french fry oil, so to "flavor" the fries they added it to the ketchup.

Fake. Fake. Fake and people are kvetching about their lightbulbs? They've even forgotten ALL LIGHTBULBS are fake.

Give me a firebrand anytime!

18 posted on 01/23/2011 10:43:26 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: TaxPayer2000

“These standards will help cut our nation’s electric bill by over $10 billion a year and will save the equivalent electricity as 30 large power plants,”

And they’ll spend all that and more by buying double lights and cleaning the toxic metals out of landfills.

Oh, and people will have less to pay for it as the new bulbs are only made in countries like China. The American incandescent bulb plants are all closing.


19 posted on 01/23/2011 10:50:34 AM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: TaxPayer2000
Four incandescents are $1.00, ....compact fluorescents can provide light for six times longer.

they don't do math on pure cost ? Is the savings in electricity use ? maybe...if the light is burning 24\7
20 posted on 01/23/2011 10:50:57 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: TaxPayer2000
"Traditional incandescent bulbs are cheap and reliable."

And non-toxic. I don't need to call in an EPA certified hazmat team if I should break one. Plus they won't contribute millions of tons of mercury to landfills.

21 posted on 01/23/2011 10:56:44 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: TaxPayer2000
It won't save the consumers any money. Besides costing more for the bulb, if electricity consumption was reduced then the utilities would just raise the rates so they continued to receive the same amount of revenue.

It happened during a drought in California. The utilities told people to cut back on usage. They did. Too much. Utilities lost revenue, so they raised the rates to make up the difference.

22 posted on 01/23/2011 11:01:27 AM PST by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: muawiyah
One of the more amazing claims is that incandescent bulbs produce a more natural light. Hmm. Think about that a while ~ electric lighting is totally man-made

As one who is very sensitive to light, and especially "natural light", I will concur: Florescents are probably closer to natural light. I know that because I use florescent light to wake up with, and if I am around florescent light at night, I won't get tired.

That being said, florescent light SUCKS, is not as useful as light, and is poor to read by.

And compact florescents are *not* what they are hyped up to be either. We bought them for savings, but found they seldom last as long as advertised, causing our investment to go up, for what we consider to be an inferior product.

23 posted on 01/23/2011 11:15:32 AM PST by roamer_1 (Globalism is just Socialism in a business suit)
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To: mad_as_he$$
Spoken like a true capitialist!
24 posted on 01/23/2011 11:19:23 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: Sacajaweau

I keep seeing ads for the Nissan leaf. They keep saying innovation. All I see is “Innoavtion for brown outs”


25 posted on 01/23/2011 11:20:01 AM PST by utherdoul
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To: Innovative

Wrong! Don’t you know that one of the leading Republicans who started this bandwagon was appointed by “Boner” as Chairman of an important energy committee..I sure he will be on this like “white on rice” to get it taken down.../s


26 posted on 01/23/2011 11:21:55 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: stylin19a

Have you ever considered the “math” involved with CBO “guesses”?


27 posted on 01/23/2011 11:24:35 AM PST by jennings2004 (Sarah Palin: "The bright light at the end of a very dark tunnel!")
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To: TaxPayer2000

You can get incandescent light bulbs rated for 25,000 hours that are used by the hospitality industry. If you use them for an average of 7 hours a day they’ll burn out in just a little under 10 years and cost about a buck or less per bulb depending on how many you buy.

https://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

Once you stock up all you’ll have to do is watch out for the light bulb police who’ll be monitoring everyone who might be using those unauthorized, evil incandescents!


28 posted on 01/23/2011 11:40:51 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: muawiyah

They mean the color - and they are quite correct.


29 posted on 01/23/2011 11:49:35 AM PST by Republican Wildcat
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To: muawiyah

No, you’re right—all technology _is_ FAKE.

These people who love their iPhones and Gore-Tex and plastics would also have us living in the Stone Age when it comes to energy.

It’s a real disconnect.


30 posted on 01/23/2011 11:50:22 AM PST by thecodont
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To: TaxPayer2000
I suppose that the Edison bulb in the Livermore, CA fire station that has been burning continuously for more than a century will be turned off by enviro-nazis. Link
31 posted on 01/23/2011 12:01:47 PM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: businessprofessor
Checking into what Noah Horowitz was talking about I discovered he was talking about standards applicable to not only lighting but to a whole bunch of other stuff ~ washers, dryers, stoves, fans, TVs, radios, etc.

I couldn't find any reference he made to the specifics of home lighting.

The fact is home lighting is such a small fraction of American use of electric power that it really isn't worth discussing. The really big users of lights are department stores, shopping malls, schools, public buildings, offices, factories, warehouses ~ etc. and they've ALL been lit up with fluorescent lighting for most of a century. Highway and parking lot lighting are bigger consumers of electric power than home lighting ~ and there a wide variety of non-incandescent systems are normal.

The whole business of replacing home incandescent lights with some other form of light was just propaganda and to enable environmental activists feel they'd be "doing something" that hadn't already been done by hard core capitalist investors who owned factories!

32 posted on 01/23/2011 12:03:02 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: thecodont

Bet they don’t know about the ketchup!


33 posted on 01/23/2011 12:04:38 PM PST by muawiyah
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If somebody knows how many incandescents would be in a standard “case”, please let me know. I’m looking at some online, but it is specifying “case”, but no number of bulbs. Grrrrr ...


34 posted on 01/23/2011 12:04:44 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: Republican Wildcat
Frankly you can take your color and stick it where there are no lightbulbs and it'll still be the same ~ if you want a pink hue to your lightbulbs use a pink filter.
35 posted on 01/23/2011 12:07:07 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: Jack Hydrazine

‘You can get incandescent light bulbs rated for 25,000 hours that are used by the hospitality industry. If you use them for an average of 7 hours a day they’ll burn out in just a little under 10 years and cost about a buck or less per bulb depending on how many you buy.

https://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

THANKS FOR THE INFO AND THE LINK!!!!!!!!!!!!

I bookmarked it and will be stocking up, while they are still available.

Much appreciated.


36 posted on 01/23/2011 12:27:50 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

A german company is selling bulbs as “heatballs” because the euro-nazis outlawed regular light bulbs in 2009.


37 posted on 01/23/2011 12:36:57 PM PST by domeika
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To: JustaDumbBlonde; Jack Hydrazine

Please check out link posted by JH:

https://www.nathosp.com/product/25k19_c/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

There it says there are 24 bulbs in a pack — these are the 10-yr bulbs. The shorter life ones are much cheaper, also on the website.

https://www.nathosp.com/prod_detail_list/standard_incandescent_light_bulbs

There it says a case has 120 bulbs.


38 posted on 01/23/2011 12:48:07 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: muawiyah

http://www.heinz.com/glutenfree/products.html

Heinz ketchup is gluten free. I don’t know what you are talking about with McDonald’s ketchup.


39 posted on 01/23/2011 1:28:12 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: muawiyah

You make some excellent points. There is probably a study that indicates home lighting as a reasonable part of the electrical grid just because there are millions of homes. If one assumes rational consumers, CFLs and other less energy intensive technology will be utilized appropriately regardless of government mandates. The mandates only force irrational usage.


40 posted on 01/23/2011 1:37:08 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: johnandrhonda

“Remember when Jimmy Carter tried to convert the country to the metric system...I predict it will be like that. A flop.”

If Nancy Pelosi heard that, she’d say, “You’re just lucky we don’t legislate candles in all houses!”.


41 posted on 01/23/2011 1:57:52 PM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

I do not use CFL curly lights in my house and they have all been replaced with incandescent Thomas Edison traditional light bulbs. The color temperature of the CFL was unpleasant and they had short light spans-—yes, I threw them out into the burn pit on my back 40 as farm animals don’t care (this is terribly politically incorrect but I live in Montana and don’t give a sh-t) and no I did not call the haze mat teams for disposal. I did use LED Christmas tree lights and felt comfortable with leaving them on for an extended time. My grandparents used wax candles on their trees. Once LED’s have improved and delivering as much light as an incadescant bulb I will use them.


42 posted on 01/23/2011 2:10:30 PM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: Innovative
Thank you for the 120/case info. I am looking at GE Soft White bulbs, which is what I buy for the hallways, bathrooms, etc. Including shipping, they are $45 - $47 per case, varying between 60W, 75W and 100W. That is about 40 cents a bulb.

The GE's have always lasted many years because they burn for a miniscule amount of time per day. They don't get turned on during the day and we have LED nightlights all around the house which allows us to navigate the house at night without turning on a switch.

43 posted on 01/23/2011 2:15:37 PM PST by JustaDumbBlonde (Don't wish doom on your enemies. Plan it.)
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To: johnandrhonda

Smuggling incandescent light bulbs to California is going to be a huge way to make money pretty soon.


44 posted on 01/23/2011 2:17:15 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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To: jesseam

Actually it was my parents in their childhood that used wax candles on Christmas trees My grandparents were recovering from the destruction of the Civil War.


45 posted on 01/23/2011 2:18:45 PM PST by jesseam (Been there, done that)
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To: TaxPayer2000

Can’t wait until they introduce reusable toliet paper....more sh*t for these libs to think of.


46 posted on 01/23/2011 2:35:07 PM PST by oust the louse (When you subsidize poverty and failure, you get more of both.)
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To: TaxPayer2000

What about the influx of so much mercury?


47 posted on 01/23/2011 2:40:45 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Jimmy Valentine
Smuggling incandescent light bulbs to California is going to be a huge way to make money pretty soon.

Only for a year as the rest of the country will have the bulbs banned starting next year (unless sanity returns).

48 posted on 01/23/2011 3:00:19 PM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: Innovative

Be aware that those have been on backorder. I ordered some on January 2; they’re supposed ship this week.


49 posted on 01/23/2011 3:17:37 PM PST by EdReform (Oath Keepers - Guardians of the Republic - Honor your oath - Join us: www.oathkeepers.org)
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To: CedarDave
We'll run them in from Canada and Mexico.

The new prohibition!

Got to think up a good name for my crime family.

The Incandescents?

The Lumens?

50 posted on 01/23/2011 3:28:29 PM PST by Jimmy Valentine (DemocRATS - when they speak, they lie; when they are silent, they are stealing the American Dream)
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