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Ten Commandments restored at Virginia schools
Washington Times ^ | 1/24/11 | AP

Posted on 01/24/2011 5:38:48 AM PST by careyb

RICHMOND, Va. | A school district in southwestern Virginia is re-posting copies of the Bible's Ten Commandments in all county schools, despite concerns that doing so is unconstitutional.

The five-member Giles County School Board voted unanimously to restore the framed, 4-foot-tall, biblical texts after parents and local ministers complained about their removal from the district's five schools and its technology center. The decision was made even though the board's attorney advised that such Christian displays represent unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

The Ten Commandments were up on school walls in Giles County for at least a decade next to framed copies of the U.S. Constitution. School officials took them down and replaced them with the Declaration of Independence in mid-December after a resident complained. The board reversed that decision Thursday after several parents and pastors, joined by a throng of supporters, told the board that the schools had a moral obligation to reinforce God's teachings.

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1 posted on 01/24/2011 5:38:50 AM PST by careyb
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To: careyb
the board's attorney advised that such Christian displays represent unconstitutional government endorsement of religion

Which religion? The Ten Commandments are part of many religions and I bet equivalents can be found in non-Abrahamaic faiths too. Just shows how little you need to know about religion to be an attorney.

2 posted on 01/24/2011 5:42:09 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: careyb

Most lefties are revulsed by the idea that

there is a God
it isn’t you
and He gets to set the rules and judge you by them


3 posted on 01/24/2011 5:44:57 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: careyb

Good for them. Tell the ACLU to bring their guns if they want to take them down again.


4 posted on 01/24/2011 5:45:42 AM PST by Tax-chick (An attack on Sarah Palin is an attack on me.)
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To: careyb

An “In God We Trust” poster is in the hallway of both my daughters schools in Va. My youngest had a “holiday concert” in December that mentioned Jesus Christ, God, the Bible etc. (granted, they mentioned Kwanzaa once out of obligation I suppose)

A lot of parents quietly spoke of how the school would be “burned to the ground” by the ACLU if this were CA or NY.


5 posted on 01/24/2011 5:50:05 AM PST by albie
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To: careyb

AMEN....FINALLY!!!


6 posted on 01/24/2011 5:50:13 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion......the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: careyb

We need to do a conservative version of beatles “it’s getting better all the time”


7 posted on 01/24/2011 5:51:48 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (Capitol Hill operator 866-727-4894 toll free. Just say which Representative/Senator you want to spea)
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To: albie
A lot of parents quietly spoke of how the school would be “burned to the ground” by the ACLU if this were CA or NY.

The ACLU's local leadership are known, are they not?
Just sayin'...

They need a little fear of "we the people" to temper their behavior.

8 posted on 01/24/2011 5:54:46 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: careyb

They need to fire that attorney and get one that knows something about the Constitution.


9 posted on 01/24/2011 5:57:28 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
Which religion? The Ten Commandments are part of many religions and I bet equivalents can be found in non-Abrahamaic faiths too. Just shows how little you need to know about religion to be an attorney.

So then wouldn't that mean that in order not to endorse a particular sect then all the versions of the 10 Commandments must be posted and not just a particular one?

10 posted on 01/24/2011 5:58:10 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: careyb

Just wondering. When the school authorities post a series of rules, most of which it cannot enforce (you shall have no other gods before me for example), does it affect their ability to enforce other rules? Also, does this mean no football on Friday nights? You wouldn’t want to impose on the Sabbath.


11 posted on 01/24/2011 6:05:48 AM PST by nc28205
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To: careyb

Which 10 Commandments are they posting?

The Catholic version or the Protestant version?

They are different. And it’s just not a wording issue. It’s a completely different commandment.

So as a Catholic can I have my Religion’s 10 Commandments posted too if the current posting is Protestant?

...Just asking.


12 posted on 01/24/2011 6:07:33 AM PST by JBR34
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To: careyb
...such Christian displays....

What a monumental idiot.

13 posted on 01/24/2011 6:09:27 AM PST by onedoug
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To: K-Stater

No.


14 posted on 01/24/2011 6:09:56 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: BykrBayb
No

Then stand by to have the court strike it down.

15 posted on 01/24/2011 6:19:49 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: JBR34

Catholics were given a different set of commandments? I didn’t know that. Why are they different and how?


16 posted on 01/24/2011 6:20:47 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: K-Stater

Do you know what the First Amendment actually says, as opposed to your anti-Christian interpretation? Clue: it doesn’t say that Congress shall make laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.


17 posted on 01/24/2011 6:21:59 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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To: careyb

YES!! We need more.


18 posted on 01/24/2011 6:23:23 AM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: BykrBayb
Do you know what the First Amendment actually says, as opposed to your anti-Christian interpretation? Clue: it doesn’t say that Congress shall make laws prohibiting the free exercise of religion.

No, but it does say that government shall make no laws respecting the establishment of a religion. If Virginis posts a version of the 10 Commandments unique to a particular sect then they are establishing that sect above the others. And that is unconstitutional. And lest you think that this is my observation alone then let me quote James Madison: "Who does not see that the same authority which can establish Christianity, in exclusion of all other Religions, may establish with the same ease any particular sect of Christians, in exclusion of all other Sects?" - Memorial and Remonstrance Against Religious Assessments, 1785

19 posted on 01/24/2011 6:29:07 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: careyb

“Congess shall make no law”. Not Virginia. So while the VA Supreme Court has the final word on this, NO FEDERAL COURT has an ounce of jurisdiction.


20 posted on 01/24/2011 6:31:24 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: careyb
The decision was made even though the board's attorney advised that such Christian displays represent...

I didn't realize Moses was a "Christian"

21 posted on 01/24/2011 6:32:44 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: K-Stater
If Virginis posts a version of the 10 Commandments unique to a particular sect then they are establishing that sect above the others.

Are they indeed "ESTABLISHING" a state religion? Really?
What are the sanctions for not being an adherent?

22 posted on 01/24/2011 6:35:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: K-Stater
K-Stater
Since Jan 7, 2011

Hmmm...

23 posted on 01/24/2011 6:37:28 AM PST by montag813 (http://www.facebook.com/StandWithArizona)
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To: K-Stater
If Virginis posts a version of the 10 Commandments unique to a particular sect then they are establishing that sect above the others.

Can you explain to me how excerpting 10 lines from a particular Holy Book establishes a complete religion for all and above all others? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

If they were to put "I think therefore I am" or "God is dead" on the wall, would that establish a formal philosophy for the entire nation? I don't think so.

This is a foolish and ridiculous argument meant only to keep any mention of religion at all out of the public square.

And the First Amendment still says that the our freedoms shall not be abridged/infringed, no matter how badly the first amendment has been abused in the courts recently.

24 posted on 01/24/2011 6:38:44 AM PST by paulycy (Liberals suck all the joy out of America. Let's make them stop.)
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To: montag813
To 21 - Excellent point!

"Ten Commandments are VERBOTEN!"

25 posted on 01/24/2011 6:46:47 AM PST by jla
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To: MrB
Are they indeed "ESTABLISHING" a state religion? Really?

They are providing government recognition to a particular sect. What would you call it?

What are the sanctions for not being an adherent?

Not having your beliefs given the same recognition as others.

26 posted on 01/24/2011 6:52:22 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: paulycy
Can you explain to me how excerpting 10 lines from a particular Holy Book establishes a complete religion for all and above all others? That makes absolutely no sense to me.

OK, so then you would have absolutely no problems if Virginia posted only the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments? Or only the Jewish version?

27 posted on 01/24/2011 6:55:57 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: K-Stater
They are providing government recognition to a particular sect. What would you call it?

I'd call it "recognizing a particular set of beliefs". It is in no way "establishing a state religion". Besides, are you unaware that states, at the time of ratification of the Constitution WITH THE FIRST AMENDMENT in the Bill of Rights, did indeed have state religions? Obviously, they didn't think they were in opposition to the 1st. What ammendment changed this understanding?

Not having your beliefs given the same recognition as others.

ahhh... poor baby. Perhaps you could fill out a "butt hurt report" with the state.


28 posted on 01/24/2011 6:56:21 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: careyb

I’m thinking there may still be a chance for the human race after all...


29 posted on 01/24/2011 6:58:43 AM PST by moovova (Don't let Obama spoil the word "hope" for you...)
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To: K-Stater

No. Using that logic, we would also have to post them in all languages. The message is the same or close enough to conclude that they are the same principles.


30 posted on 01/24/2011 7:04:24 AM PST by GOP_Party_Animal
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To: careyb; EDINVA; iceskater; xyz123; Corin Stormhands; jla; Flora McDonald; GeorgeW23225; ...

My home county and my home elementary school.

Back in the dark ages, I had Bible classes in that school in the 4th grade. Those who objected were allowed to leave the classroom.


31 posted on 01/24/2011 7:11:50 AM PST by Corin Stormhands (There's only ONE reason for this season.)
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To: K-Stater
OK, so then you would have absolutely no problems if Virginia posted only the Catholic version of the 10 Commandments? Or only the Jewish version?

They have to pick only one version to post. It has to tick somebody off. That is a given. So no, I don't have a problem with it. The older the version, the closer to the original, the less problem I have with it. (I am a non-Catholic Christian.)

The bigger issue is posting it at all meaning that it "establishes" a religion. That is utter rubbish.

32 posted on 01/24/2011 7:36:50 AM PST by paulycy (Liberals suck all the joy out of America. Let's make them stop.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

That’s a funny way to word the question.
But they are different.
Apparently Catholics tend to covet their neighbors wife so there’s a Commandment Against that.
But the Protestants say neighbor’s property. Maybe that was the same thing 2,000 years ago.

Protestant Ten Commandments:

You shall have no other gods but me.
You shall not make unto you any graven images
You shall not take the name of the Lord your God in vain
You shall remember the Sabbath and keep it holy
Honor your mother and father
You shall not murder
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet anything that belongs to your neighbor

Catholic Ten Commandments:

I, the Lord, am your God. You shall not have other gods besides me.
You shall not take the name of the Lord God in vain
Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day
Honor your father and your mother
You shall not kill
You shall not commit adultery
You shall not steal
You shall not bear false witness
You shall not covet your neighbor’s wife
You shall not covet your neighbor’s goods


33 posted on 01/24/2011 7:43:32 AM PST by JBR34
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To: JBR34
Which 10 Commandments are they posting? The Catholic version or the Protestant version? They are different. And it’s just not a wording issue. It’s a completely different commandment.

According to the Vatican, the Ten Commandments are quite similar to those I am familiar with in my protestant church.

1. I am the LORD your God: you shall not have strange Gods before me.
2. You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain.
3. Remember to keep holy the LORD'S Day.
4. Honor your father and your mother.
5. You shall not kill.
6. You shall not commit adultery.
7. You shall not steal.
8. You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
9. You shall not covet your neighbor's wife.
10. You shall not covet your neighbor's goods.

In contrast, the Methodists don't have the numbering on their web site, or even the same line breaks, but I find it hard to identify a difference in meaning:

God spoke from the mountain and said:
"I am the Lord your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of slavery; you shall have no other gods before me."
Almighty God, write your law upon our hearts.

"You shall not make for yourself an idol.
You shall not make wrongful use of the name of the Lord your God.
Remember the Sabbath day, and keep it holy."
"Honor your father and your mother.
You shall not murder.
You shall not commit adultery.
You shall not steal.
You shall not bear false witness.
You shall not covet ... anything that belongs to your neighbor.

You want the Catholic version? I'm good with that. Jewish (either in Hebrew or in English)? Go for it. We need more sound moral guidance in our schools, and the Ten Commandments are entirely in keeping with both our Constitution and positive American values, regardless of variations in numbering or punctuation.

34 posted on 01/24/2011 7:55:56 AM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
...decision was made even though the board's attorney advised that such Christian displays represent unconstitutional government endorsement of religion.

I wonder if their attorney actually made specific reference to the Ten Commandments being a "Christian display" when he advised the Board, or if the above is just some ignorant reporter's paraphrasing of the attorney's words.

Because IF their attorney does not know that the Ten Commandments are NOT Christian in origin, then he is not competent to represent them, in my opinion.

35 posted on 01/24/2011 7:56:34 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: JBR34

Does this mean Catholics are allowed to make graven images?


36 posted on 01/24/2011 7:59:59 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: montag813

We learn something new every day, don’t we?

;-)


37 posted on 01/24/2011 8:01:59 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: K-Stater
The First Amendment does not contain the word "recognize" or any of its variants (recognized, recognition, recognizance, etc.).

And there is a world of difference between 'recognizing' something and establishing it as the law of the land.

38 posted on 01/24/2011 8:06:38 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: WayneS

graven images or idols, depending on the translation, I suppose...

Hmmm... idols seemed to be the BIG bugaboo in the OT.
I wonder why this was left out of the “Catholice” Big 10.

And “wife” and “goods” separated out in the Horizontal?
Seems like a “coverup” for dropping the idol worship prohibition.


39 posted on 01/24/2011 8:08:02 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: WayneS

Leftists and atheists usually derive their agenda from muddying/blurring the meaning of words.

This is how, somehow, a STATE having and official religion was OK under the original Bill of Rights,

but, without amendment, suddenly a prayer by a high school football coach is considered “establishing a religion”.


40 posted on 01/24/2011 8:10:38 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: MrB
I think the best bet is to go with the version which was given to Moses.

That’ll put us as close to “The Source” as possible.

41 posted on 01/24/2011 8:11:56 AM PST by WayneS (Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm. -- James Madison)
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To: JBR34

Seems basically the same to me.


42 posted on 01/24/2011 8:13:02 AM PST by ilovesarah2012
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To: WayneS

Dead Sea Scrolls?
What “originals” do you refer to?

And yes, absolutely, we should use as close to originals as possible, with a faithful translation meant to be understood by all people...

ooops, is that “Catholic Bashing”?


43 posted on 01/24/2011 8:13:43 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: ilovesarah2012

Actually, there is a marked difference.
The “Protestant” Big 10 has 4 “verticals” and 6 “horizontals”,
and the “Catholic” Big 10 has 3 “verticals” and 7 “horizontals”, leaving out “make no idols” and splitting “do not covet” into two commandments.


44 posted on 01/24/2011 8:16:03 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: careyb

Good news Monday! First the Steelers and now this! ;-)


45 posted on 01/24/2011 8:51:37 AM PST by jboot
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To: MrB
I'd call it "recognizing a particular set of beliefs".

OK, so then you would not care which version of the 10 Commandments is posted right?

46 posted on 01/24/2011 8:54:42 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: montag813

IBTZ


47 posted on 01/24/2011 8:58:50 AM PST by jboot
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To: K-Stater

I don’t believe you would care which version either -

you’d oppose any reminder of

There is a God,
It isn’t you,
and He has a right to, and will, judge you according to His standards, not yours.


48 posted on 01/24/2011 9:02:25 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: GOP_Party_Animal
The message is the same or close enough to conclude that they are the same principles.

Then what difference would it make to you what language or what version was posted?

49 posted on 01/24/2011 9:03:10 AM PST by K-Stater
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To: WayneS
And there is a world of difference between 'recognizing' something and establishing it as the law of the land.

And what would that be?

50 posted on 01/24/2011 9:05:00 AM PST by K-Stater
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