Skip to comments.Obama's confusion extends to birth date
Posted on 01/24/2011 4:21:09 PM PST by RobinMasters
A much-overlooked comment by Barack Obama is getting a closer examination now that Hawaii Gov. Neil Abercrombie has come up short in his plan to take care of a pressing election 2012 concern for the Democrats by producing Obama's birth certificate from the state's archives.
It was the comment by Obama himself at a 2009 international meeting that he was born eight months earlier than when his official story has claimed all along.
Freudian slip, confusion or the truth leaking out?
It was in April 19, 2009, at a press conference Obama gave at the Port of Spain in Trinidad and Tobago, Obama commented on a 90-minute diatribe that had been delivered by Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega at the meeting the day before, and Obama suggested he was born in January 1961, three months before the Bay of Pigs invasion.
Specifically, Obama rejected Ortega's attack on the United States for the attempted Bay of Pigs invasion during the Kennedy administration by explaining: "I'm grateful President Ortega did not blame me for things that happened when I was three months old."
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And then there’s this:
Sunday, June 27, 2004
Kenyan-born Obama all set for US Senate
Kenyan-born US Senate hopeful, Barrack Obama, appeared set to take over the Illinois Senate seat after his main rival, Jack Ryan, dropped out of the race on Friday night amid a furor over lurid sex club allegations.
The allegations that horrified fellow Republicans and caused his once-promising candidacy to implode in four short days have given Obama a clear lead as Republicans struggled to fetch an alternative.
Ryans campaign began to crumble on Monday following the release of embarrassing records from his divorce. In the records, his ex-wife, Boston Public actress Jeri Ryan, said her former husband took her to kinky sex clubs in Paris, New York and New Orleans.
“Its clear to me that a vigorous debate on the issues most likely could not take place if I remain in the race,” Ryan, 44, said in a statement. “What would take place, rather, is a brutal, scorched-earth campaign the kind of campaign that has turned off so many voters, the kind of politics I refuse to play.”
Although Ryan disputed the allegations, saying he and his wife went to one avant-garde club in Paris and left because they felt uncomfortable, lashed out at the media and said it was “truly outrageous” that the Chicago Tribune got a judge to unseal the records.
The Republican choice will become an instant underdog in the campaign for the seat of retiring Republican Senator Peter Fitzgerald, since Obama held a wide lead even before the scandal broke.
“I feel for him actually,” Obama told a Chicago TV station. “What hes gone through over the last three days I think is something you wouldnt wish on anybody.”
The Republican state committee must now choose a replacement for Ryan, who had won in the primaries against seven contenders. Its task is complicated by the fact that Obama holds a comfortable lead in the polls and is widely regarded as a rising Democratic star.
The chairwoman of the Illinois Republican Party, Judy Topinka, said at a news conference, after Ryan withdrew, that Republicans would probably take several weeks to settle on a new candidate.
“Obviously, this is a bad week for our party and our state,” she said.
As recently as Thursday, spokesmen for the Ryan campaign still insisted that Ryan would remain in the race. Ryan had defended himself saying, “Theres no breaking of any laws. Theres no breaking of any marriage laws. Theres no breaking of the Ten Commandments anywhere.”
. . . . Back to the thread, - see document at # 47 posted by Fred Nerks, (thanks Fred,) and # 29 by Race Bannon.
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No. The fawning press used them and there wasn't an internet community back then. Not like now. The garbage Obama tries to pull goes viral. During Clinton no one knew what viral was unless it was a cold.
Sorry friend, I asked you for information to support the claim you made re Barack Obama.
Could you please provide an example to help your case. Name one thing that Obama has been able to do because of the BC discussion that he would not have been able to do other wise. Please.
We’re dealing in fact here right, not just assertion.
I like that!
8-1-1961 in the us is most likely august 1, 1961
The main airline servicing Kenya in 1960-1961 would have been BOAC (British Overseas Airline Corporation), and would have flown direct from either Nairobi, or Mombasa, to Heathrow. No "native African" airline involved...
Wow, thats a heavy claim. Obama only got Obamacare passed because the population was distracted by the BC issue. I guess you’ve got a heap of evidence for that claim, but that’s OK, you don’t need to post it.
I guess you win hands down.
Did you all read this?
This could be the answer:
If several states now require birth certificates in order to get on the ballot, how will Obama get on the ballot in those states in his re-election bid? I thought he might not run again because of this issue but by all accounts he’s being prepared to run again in 2112,
I read that date as August 1, 1961 which he may have viewed as close enough for government work. I know the January date would fit your thesis better and further, the fact that his 8-1 date is off the 8-4 date might make you think he is using a Euro dating convention.
He is really not smart enough to pull this off and keep all the balls in the air at the same time.
I believe that Obama is controlled by someone else. He isn’t terribly bright. That’s obvious. He may have trouble remembering his created life scenario. Especially if he didn’t create it.
I’m not so sure he’ll be re-elected, but I’d put $20 down that McCain and Scott Brown will endorse him.
Yup — McCain pretty much campaigned for Hussein in 2008!
http://hillbuzz.org/2011/01/23/hawaii-ground-report-could-hawaiian-governor-neil-abercrombie-not-be-as-incompetent-and-foolish-as-he-appears-but-orchestrating-a-deliberate-birth-certificate-recovery-dead-end-to-cover-his-own-pap/ also some VERY interesting and informative comments.
McCain endorsed him in 08
I met hi in Hawaii in 1980 wen I came back from deployment, I clearly remember meeting soemmone from mombassa, when i had just been there 3 months previous, early May 1980
Depends on where the date came from, if it was transcribed from a Kenyan document, it would be written as it is, and that is a date in January. Just who the information belongs to is anyone’s guess, it looks to me like the search picked up information from two individuals.
I really don’t think that is correct, but I will not rule it out.
Also, remember his campaign facebook account said he was 57 years old.
Interesting how the date on that document matches up quite nicely with his slip about the Bay of Pigs.
That would put the immaculate conception in April 1960 before Ann graduated from high school in Washinton. That also adds substance to the theory the Dunhams made the mad rush to Hawaii to hide the pregnancy and why Ann suddenly didn’t attend college as planned in Washington with her Mercer Island friends.
King Obama claims Ann was an au pair in Chicago. If true, then it would have had to have been the summer of ‘60. Shipping her off to Davis would also fit in the hiding the pregnancy. But then it all falls apart with her attending the U of H fall semester ‘60. Unless, of course, things weren’t working out and the Dunhams brought her home.
It would also be an explaination of why he’s a head taller than his elementary school classmates.
However, there’s still that nagging question of, “Who’s yer daddy?” Davis? Malcolm X? A Mercer Island pool boy? Whomever he was, he certainly wasn’t the patsy, O Sr.
The Obama/Soretoro name play would get poo-pooed by the msm as a rose by any other name hooey. However, the usurper knowingly used an illegal name on his Chicago bar application, on his Senate run and finally to get elected and sworn in as the POTUS. That, for any of us little people, would see us behind behind bars for a very long time.
Even from a practical standpoint, he would never give up a job where he is not expected to do anything, yet still enjoy the best perks of any job in America. There's no community organizer job anywhere that feeds you lobster every night, allows you to play golf on the finest courses for free, always has an open basketball court waiting for you every Sunday at the gym, and provides you with free entertainment in your own house every Wednesday by the biggest celebrities.
Walk away from that? Even Obama isn't that stupid.
The “Hiding of the Name” theory is hardly new, many on FR believed it was the simplest likely explanation (Occam’s Razor)way back in 2008.
No, the record says "08-01-1961," which, if you're a civilian working in the county clerk's office, is August 1st, 1961 (which is still at odds with August 4th, the usual birthdate given).
Of course, if it WAS January 8, 1961, that presents new problems and casts doubt that Barack Obama, Sr. was his dad (and face it, one of the oddities is that the “son” does not much resemble photos of the “father”). IIRC, Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack, Sr. met in August of 1960, making a January birth impossible.
This reminds me of Detroit mayor Kwame Kilpatrick. Even as more and more corruption was exposed, he hung on till the end. It was the local paper doing investigations and a text message that brought him down. Along with a legal system willing to do their job.
Not if there was a bill requiring that the embedded transaction logs be disclosed as well. That would show up both a forgery (if there is no BC as Abercrombie told his good friend) and/or amendments or manipulations (as the HDOH has indirectly confirmed for Obama’s birth certificate).
And if CITIZENSHIP RECORDS are required as well as birth records (including embedded transaction logs) then the tampering with Obama’s passport file in early 2008 will have to be aired publicly as well, so it can be known whether the information there has been manipulated.
Right now is when we need to be insisting that our state legislators pass such a bill. It’s not the time to be Eeyore; it’s time to actually DO something about the lawlessness.
I guarantee you that if just one state passed a bill like the one suggested at http://butterdezillion.wordpress.com/2011/01/14/please-encourage-your-state-to-pass-this-bill/ it would send shock waves to all our elected officials. Not just because of the implications for Obama, but also because it models a way that the people can actually have the ability to hold government accountable to the rule of law - unelected bureaucrats AND elected officials BETWEEN ELECTIONS.
I suspect that the reason Abercrombie has gone off the rails is because he originally planned to prepare the public to be shown a computer image of a forged long-form for Obama, in the hopes of state legislators concluding that they didn’t need to pass an eligibility bill. But when he realized that we would be asking legislators to pass a bill that would require the transaction logs to be disclosed in order to audit the lawfulness of the required documentation, he realized he could actually be held accountable to the rule of law.
Big-time backtracking to try to undo all the stuff he glibly did when he thought we could never catch him.
IOW, this issue - that people have so ridiculed or thought to be a pro-Obama tactic - may be the one issue that actually gets the crooks in government and media to be accountable to the law. It may be the one thing that allows the PEOPLE to monitor the lawfulness of politicians’ actions rather than their cronies in Congress.
This is about much, much more than just Obama. This bill is about accountability to the people and the rule of law - which doesn’t exist now. Rather than becoming cynical we need to DO something about it right now, because right now we can make a HUGE impact.
PLEASE send a copy of the proposed bill at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf to your state legislator(s) and ask them to introduce that bill. It takes little time and can accomplish what no amount of online complaining can.
What is more nefarious than spitting on the US Constitution? Everything he’s doing to this country is in the same category as the fraud which gave him the power in the first place - it’s all spitting on the US Constitution.
We can try to pick off the heads of the thistle - the unconstitutional ways he has been “radically transforming” the country - but as soon as we pick off one head another will grow back to replace it. The only way to get rid of a thistle is to kill the roots. The root that allows Obama to do these unconstitutional things is the fraud and crimes that put him in the White House to begin with. Expose and pull up those roots and he will be stopped.
And the root which allowed the COUNTRY to suffer this communist coup is the failure of our system to hold government, media, law enforcement, and the courts accountable to the rule of law. Regardless of what happens with Obama we CANNOT allow those vulnerabilities to continue. This issue which has exposed how corrupt our systems are is the very issue which provides an “in” to address the root issues. Lawlessness and lack of accountability.
We need Congress to get rid of the heads of the thistle before the seeds blow all over and the country is buried. That’s what Congress needs to work on.
But while they handle the symptoms, we the people, working through our state legislatures, need to cut down the root that keeps producing more and more thistles and heads that threaten to take over the entire field at an exponential rate that no amount of scrambling in Congress can match.
Sorry, but mystery not solved.
If this was a simple as an amended long form to indicate a name change, then there would be no hesitation to release the original birth certificate showing that Barrack H. Obama was born at either of the two Honolulu hospitals, along with his adoption papers/amended certificate. Everyone already knows that he went by Barry Soetoro (or whatever) when he was adopted.
Even if he was gaming the system to start using his original birth name at some point in his life without filing the official paperwork to legally implement this, no one would care.
There is something much more serious with the lack of documentation at the HI department of health, and the lack of anyone ever coming forth from either hospital with respect to his birth records.
See post # 85
“Prediction: If this ever gains any traction with the Americans who are not politically savvy that’s 1/3 to 1/2 of the voters a release of the BC in 2012 will be timed in such a way as to cut legs out from whoever is running against him.”
A FORGED birth certificate. After all, that tactic worked in 2008.
It’s possible that they’ve used a transposed date all along for obfuscation.
Looking at only the facts about his origins — few as they may be — opens up a whole new avenue of research. Is there any evidence whatsoever, other than his word, that he was born in August?
Other than the U of H transcript, does any evidence place Stanley Ann in Hawaii prior to 1962-3? Could those U of H courses be by correspondence?
Since his cleverly stated autobiography has been drummed into the public consciousness for 15 years, it’s hard to disregard all we’ve been told and stick to known facts.
There may be unscrubbed records under the alternate dates.
There was also a Facebook page, an official one for him, which no longer exists, and it had his age a couple years older or so.
I’d bet money he has a forgery ready to produce. Which is why a state law that only requires a BC to be produced won’t hold anybody accountable to the law. What we need is a law which also requires the TRANSACTION LOGS for the record to be disclosed, so it is readily apparent if the BC was created in 2010, or if it started out as Joe Blow in 1961 and was changed to Barack Hussein Obama II in October of 2008.
I think Abercrombie prepped the public for a grand unveiling of a (forged) long-form BC. But he was stopped dead in his tracks when he realized that a state law could be passed that would reveal any forgeries or tampering.
The legal question of Obama’s story all depends on the legal documents used to create his identity. We will never know what really happened unless and until those transaction logs are disclosed.
I know I sound like a broken record, and I’m pretty much tired of hearing my own voice on this already, but I can’t stress enough: PLEASE, we NEED to get at least one state legislature to pass a bill like the one at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf or else Obama and his enablers are going to get away with all the crimes they’ve committed to get (and keep) him in the White House. PLEASE, everybody send a copy of that bill to your state legislator and ask them to introduce and pass that bill. Deadlines are coming up fast, and now is the time to act.
What are the details, I can't remember the story around this document.
Never heard of her.
WHICH states, specifically, now require that candidates present birth certificates??
The lt governor’s office says there have been no legal name change orders to or from Obama, Dunham, Soetoro, or Sutoro.
We’ve all spent a lot of time speculating on what might have happened. From a legal standpoint, we have to go by what the records actually show. Right now the HDOH, Fukino, and Abercrombie have made so many conflicting statements and have broken so many laws and rules, that the only solid way to even start on the question of Obama’s story is to look at the transaction logs for his records. When did his name of Barack Hussein Obama II first show up in the records, and what is the history of that record?
Congress is not going to investigate this. Federal law enforcement under Eric Holder is not going to investigate this. State AG’s will only investigate it if forced to do so.
So what we need to do is force those transaction logs to be disclosed so the origin of the birth and citizenship claims can be tracked and we can know where the identity of Barack Hussein Obama II ever came from.
We can do that right now, by urging our state legislators to pass the bill at http://butterdezillion.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/final-short-form-eligibility-bill1.pdf .
If we ever want to get sure answers, that is what we need to do. I’ve spent a lot of time being a “vexatious requestor” and at the end of all of it, all I can say is that IF THE HDOH HAS BEEN TRUTHFUL AND ACCURATE, then ..... At some point we have to find out if the HDOH has been truthful and accurate. That’s going to have to come through a state eligibility law that requires the provenance of the birth and citizenship records to be disclosed.
Of course, if it WAS January 8, 1961, that presents new problems and casts doubt that Barack Obama, Sr. was his dad (and face it, one of the oddities is that the son does not much resemble photos of the father). IIRC, Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack, Sr. met in August of 1960, making a January birth impossible.
But a summer spent as an au pair in Chicago would place a January birth as possible...Uncle Malcolm???
You get it. The fix is in. They are morphing him in to the New Improved Bill Clinton. Republicans always take a dive when needed. Starting with the Cuddle and Hug show at the Speech.
None at this point.
Is this the “born in Illinois” document?
What are the details, I can’t remember the story around this document.
First time I’ve seen it. Looks like a background check file on The Won.
Yes, very possibly forged.
There is no doubt, that with the sudden and intense renewed interest in this scandal, the detractors who want this issue to go away would love for all of us to believe that the issue is as innocent as Obama simply changing his name back to his actual birth name, but not filing the form to dot the I’s and cross the T’s to reflect this.....MYSTERY NOT SOLVED.
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