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Aides mulling tactic on gun control
Politico44 ^ | 01/25/11 | GLENN THRUSH

Posted on 01/25/2011 12:45:01 PM PST by ColdOne

President Obama’s advisers were still discussing late Monday how to deal with calls by Democrats for him to embrace some kind of gun control legislation.

There was at least some possibility that Obama would express support for something concrete in his State of the Union address, perhaps safeguards for keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill.

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TOPICS: Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: banglist; bho44; bhosotu; democrats; donttreadonme; guncontrol; liberalfascism; obama; reichstagfire; shallnotbeinfringed; sotu; tyranny

1 posted on 01/25/2011 12:45:03 PM PST by ColdOne
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To: ColdOne

Gun control for the mentally ill....hmmmmm....that lets Democrats out of the 2A thing, huh?


2 posted on 01/25/2011 12:46:55 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: ColdOne
, perhaps safeguards for keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill.

DemoncRAT doublespeak for: "those of you who oppose me".

3 posted on 01/25/2011 12:47:34 PM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: ColdOne
uh-huh. And just who is going to determine what is "mentally ill"?

Joe Blow has twenty two guns; all registered (his mistake) and is categorized with compulsive behavior and is mentally ill?
Or the great white hunter with a couple thousand rounds and some (gasp) black powder? That black powder MUST mean they are pyro-maniacs; mentally ill! Confiscate their warez...

4 posted on 01/25/2011 12:49:12 PM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: ColdOne

What do they call the BATF? Shirley?


5 posted on 01/25/2011 12:49:52 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: ColdOne
Gore lost TN in ‘00 because of his loony support of ‘gun control’. Go ahead, Rats, grab that gun control mantra by the tail. If you do, you better ever not let go.
6 posted on 01/25/2011 12:55:14 PM PST by JPG (Work for conservative change like your country depended on it.)
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To: ColdOne

A Clinton administration policy made it possible for the very troubled Jared Loughner to buy a gun. Instituted by Janet Reno (not enacted by Congress), the policy prohibited the military from reporting drug abusers to the FBI, which manages the national list of prohibited gun-buyers. Loughner attempted to enlist in the Army in December 2008 but was rejected because he failed a drug test. Within a year, he was allowed to buy a shotgun in Tucson. So theoretically, all Obama has to do is order Holder to reverse the Reno rule.


7 posted on 01/25/2011 12:55:56 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: Paladin2

I can sum up my feelings like this:

I mistrust Democrats so much, as it regards 2A Rights, that even if they told me they were writing legislation to specifically keep Charles Manson from buying/owning a pistol, I wouldn’t sign on to it.

I don’t believe that they are informed, competent, reasonable, nor trustworthy enough to craft gun legislation of any kind. Period.


8 posted on 01/25/2011 12:57:42 PM PST by Noamie
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To: ColdOne

This is a suicide idea. Liberals love gun control but it always comes back and bites them big time. I guess this proves that they are the ones who are mentally ill. After all isn’t it proof of insanity when you keep doing something over and over and over expecting a different outcome?

That is Democrats and gun control.

If they touch this “third rail” issue I am sure it will help make them the minority after 2012.


9 posted on 01/25/2011 12:58:59 PM PST by RickB444 (Beat your sword into plowshares, but wind up plowing the fields of someone who kept their sword.)
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To: Noamie
I don’t believe that they [Democrats] are informed, competent, reasonable, nor trustworthy enough to craft gun legislation of any kind. Period.

Minor edit ...

10 posted on 01/25/2011 12:59:45 PM PST by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ColdOne
Let's see, here is a good suggestion.

"Have you ever been adjudicated mentally defective (which includes a determination by a court board, commission, or other lawful authority that you are a danger to yourself or others or are incompetent to manage your own affairs) OR have you ever been committed to a mental institution?"

Interesting in that it sounds so familiar...

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11 posted on 01/25/2011 12:59:58 PM PST by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: ColdOne
Which of these Constitutionally established Rights doesn't apply to the "mentally ill?"

1st, Establishment Clause, Free Exercise Clause; freedom of speech, of the press, and of assembly; right to petition

2nd, Right to keep and bear arms.

3rd, Protection from quartering of troops.

4th, Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.

5th, Due process, double jeopardy, self-incrimination, eminent domain.

6th, Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel

7th, Civil trial by jury.

8th, Prohibition of excessive bail and cruel and unusual punishment.

9th, Protection of rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution.

10th, Powers of States and people.

12 posted on 01/25/2011 1:05:33 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: ColdOne

If memory serves correctly, they floated a trial balloon some time ago about this.

Wanted to classify vets with PTSD or any other neurological disorder in the category of “mentally defective” or something to that effect.


13 posted on 01/25/2011 1:05:41 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: TLI
Exactly. It's already on the yellow sheet you have to fill out when buying a gun, and lying on the form is a federal offense. Plus, there's already a phone-in background check. If you're willing to commit a federal crime, you can buy a gun if you've just escaped from the looney bin. Especially if an incompetent RAT hack sheriff like in Tucson doesn't bother to follow the law.
14 posted on 01/25/2011 1:12:50 PM PST by ozzymandus
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To: ColdOne
Μολὼν λαβέ
15 posted on 01/25/2011 1:26:39 PM PST by cowboyway (Molon labe : Deo Vindice : "Rebellion is always an option!!"--Jim Robinson)
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To: ColdOne

Is Obama trying to regain his title as “Gun Salesman of the Year”?


16 posted on 01/25/2011 1:29:07 PM PST by sima_yi ( Reporting live from the People's Republic of Boulder)
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To: DCBryan1

Yes, I think so ala the old Soviet tactic of hustling dissenters off to the nutty farm. The dems have gotten pretty good at deeming lately....


17 posted on 01/25/2011 1:30:49 PM PST by 556x45
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To: Noamie
they were writing legislation to specifically keep Charles Manson from buying/owning a pistol

That would be a trick. Mason would have no chance owning a piece if he is in prison for life.

18 posted on 01/25/2011 1:32:11 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: ColdOne


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

19 posted on 01/25/2011 1:34:05 PM PST by The Comedian (Obama is just the cherry on top of the $hit sundae of fraud the democrats have become.)
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To: ColdOne

The “mentally ill?” That is Hussein’s definition of Republicans/conservatives/whites, isn’t it!!!


20 posted on 01/25/2011 1:36:29 PM PST by Oldpuppymax
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To: Noamie
I don’t believe that they are informed, competent, reasonable, nor trustworthy enough to craft gun legislation of any kind. Period.

AFAIK there has only been one reasonable gun control legislation and even that has been manipulated to say things it doesn't.

A well regulated militia being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the People to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

21 posted on 01/25/2011 1:41:24 PM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: Paladin2

BATF should be a convenience store.


22 posted on 01/25/2011 1:42:46 PM PST by MortMan (I am in no mood to be amused! (Ebenezer Scrooge))
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To: magslinger

I believe that anyone who uses a firearm in the commission of a crime should be punished for the crime they commit.

The presence or absence of a gun should have no bearing on the punishment, mind you - the actual offense that is committed should define the punishment.


23 posted on 01/25/2011 1:45:06 PM PST by MortMan (I am in no mood to be amused! (Ebenezer Scrooge))
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To: MortMan
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24 posted on 01/25/2011 2:10:39 PM PST by magslinger (Samuel Colt, feminist. Making women equal to men for over 150 years.)
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To: ColdOne
"...something concrete in his State of the Union address, perhaps safeguards for keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill."

Effin morons. No federal law is required. I don't know about any other state but here in MA, it's all part of the process. Question 8 on the MA LTC Application would seem to cover it. Plus, the form that you fill out at time of purchase reiterates that question.


25 posted on 01/25/2011 2:17:55 PM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: Oldpuppymax
The “mentally ill?” That is Hussein’s definition of Republicans/conservatives/whites, isn’t it!!! Bingo!
26 posted on 01/25/2011 2:21:58 PM PST by ColdOne (Government "help" to business is just as disastrous as government persecution...Ayn Rand)
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To: La Lydia

My problem with your solution is that there is no judicial review before a constitutional right is denied a citizen, most likely for life. What standard is used by the military for recruit testing, if any? Or do they refuse applicants on a verbal confession of drug use? There must be a very high bar set in order to remove a constitutional right from anyone.
There were so many indicators that Laughner was about to go off it shouldn’t have been necessary to obtain input from a recruiter, everybody around the guy predicted he would do what he actually did.


27 posted on 01/25/2011 2:27:59 PM PST by cbvanb
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To: ColdOne

Why You Need A Gun

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8W91EWQv4Fc


28 posted on 01/25/2011 2:29:23 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: DTogo
"Which of these Constitutionally established Rights doesn't apply to the "mentally ill?"

Well, there is this one...

"6th, Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel"

A person that is deemed mentally unfit to stand trial can still be deprived of their liberty, although technically, I believe the evaluation is considered part of "due process".

29 posted on 01/25/2011 2:35:07 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: cbvanb

Wait a minute. That is not my solution. I merely recounted what happened, and don’t remember editorializing on whether it was good or bad. But, that said, I don’t think crazy people and drug addicts should drive, and I don’t think they should be running around loose with guns, either.


30 posted on 01/25/2011 2:38:01 PM PST by La Lydia
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To: La Lydia

“I don’t think crazy people and drug addicts should drive, and I don’t think they should be running around loose with guns, either.”

Perhaps they should just be hanged.


31 posted on 01/25/2011 3:26:37 PM PST by Outership (Looking for a line by line Book of Revelation Bible study? http://tiny.cc/rPSQc)
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To: DTogo

Just remember, those lovely progressives that used to run the Soviet Union considered dissidents to be “mentally ill”.

You have to be crazy to oppose the left.


32 posted on 01/25/2011 3:41:35 PM PST by Voice of Reason88 ( Freedom is never lost all at once - Edmund Burke)
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To: ColdOne

Yep, it’s one of the main reasons I’m watching tonight — other than the fact that Obama’s non-verbal communications are so much fun to watch. He’s a real piece of work, that Barry.


33 posted on 01/25/2011 3:42:56 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: ozzymandus

Who, in their right mind, actually fills out forms to purchase a gun?


34 posted on 01/25/2011 3:46:21 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: Voice of Reason88
This needs to be repeated:

Just remember, those lovely progressives that used to run the Soviet Union considered dissidents to be “mentally ill”.

35 posted on 01/25/2011 3:50:29 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: ColdOne

“perhaps safeguards for keeping weapons out of the hands of the mentally ill.”

That would include three-quarters of the nuts in the FBI and half in the Secret Service, and all the fruitcakes in the ATF and Interior and IRS.


36 posted on 01/25/2011 3:50:46 PM PST by sergeantdave
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To: ColdOne

The vast majority of mentally ill people are not dangerous, not even to themselves. Depriving them of their right to keep and bear arms is a horrible idea.


37 posted on 01/25/2011 3:52:35 PM PST by FourPeas (From the same mouth come blessing and cursing. My brothers, these things ought not to be so. Ja 3:10)
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To: Noamie
I don’t believe that they are informed, competent, reasonable, nor trustworthy enough to craft gun legislation of any kind. Period.

Legislators in general. I spent the weekend drafting a letter to kill a bill filed in the state senate. I only found 9 points of failure in it (this is a record); there was a 10th but it was taking too long to locate a report backing the 10th point. The authors appear to be good conservative Republicans and I am sure the bill was well meant -- but they were in way over their heads in issues about which they know nothing.

38 posted on 01/25/2011 4:52:20 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: The Comedian

Interesting that Kim Jong-Il’s name appears to be written in Chinese and not Korean.


39 posted on 01/25/2011 5:03:13 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: ColdOne

One executive order, or a memo to the ATF.


40 posted on 01/25/2011 5:17:43 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: sionnsar
Interesting that Kim Jong-Il’s name appears to be written in Chinese and not Korean.

That's because he's a Chinese tool that's only working in NK.


Frowning takes 68 muscles.
Smiling takes 6.
Pulling this trigger takes 2.
I'm lazy.

41 posted on 01/25/2011 5:30:46 PM PST by The Comedian (Obama is just the cherry on top of the $hit sundae of fraud the democrats have become.)
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To: ColdOne

Disarm the Tucson sheriff.


42 posted on 01/25/2011 9:56:51 PM PST by lonestar
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To: La Lydia

I didn’t mean to imply it was your idea, and I agree with you, crazy people and drug addicts shouldn’t have the means to harm other people. I believe that there has to be some sort of formal process to ascertain their level of competence, however. Allowing any single person to have that kind of authority over other people’s lives is tantamount to dictatorship.


43 posted on 01/26/2011 12:45:53 PM PST by cbvanb
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