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Feral hogs may face aerial attack at Balcones Canyonlands refuge [TX]
statesman.com ^ | 24 Jan 2011 | Asher Price

Posted on 01/25/2011 10:26:29 PM PST by smokingfrog

Population control efforts are falling short; officials mull using helicopters.

Hoping to combat the destructive impact of feral hogs on the Balcones Canyonlands National Wildlife Refuge northwest of Austin, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service is considering culling the hogs by shooting them from a helicopter.

For years the refuge staff has tried to keep hog populations down by trapping them or killing them in one of several late autumn hunts — but to little avail. Rooting aggressively for food and willing to wallow in anything that looks like a comforting depression of mud, the hogs have caused widespread damage to pastures, according to refuge manager Deborah Holle .

The refuge, formed in 1992 to protect habitat for two endangered songbirds, comprises about 23,000 acres in Burnet, Travis and Williamson counties. There is no evidence that the hogs disrupt the life of the songbirds, but they do wreak havoc on other wildlife in the refuge, Holle said, outcompeting them for food and destroying their habitat.

Under the Feral Hog Management Plan, approved in 2001, hunters can shoot the animals during the refuge's "Big Game Hunt." The federal agency is considering amending the plan to allow for aerial shooting, which it calls a "successful and accepted means of hog control" in a news release. "Aerial shooting can be a cost-effective method for reducing the number of feral hogs occurring in high densities."

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TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: bacon; banglist; helicopter; hogs; hunting
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1 posted on 01/25/2011 10:26:33 PM PST by smokingfrog
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Sounds like fun, but probably not a good idea in the long run.


2 posted on 01/25/2011 10:27:27 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: All

Break out the predator drones!


3 posted on 01/25/2011 10:29:30 PM PST by BushMeister ("We are a nation that has a government - not the other way around." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: smokingfrog

I'm ready. Let's go make some spareribs!

4 posted on 01/25/2011 10:36:49 PM PST by DemforBush (I got three passports, a couple of visas. You don't even know my real name..)
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To: smokingfrog

Well .. that was something ... thought the headline read Federal Hogs.


5 posted on 01/25/2011 10:37:53 PM PST by jessduntno ("'How fortunate for governments that the people they administer don't think." - Adolph Hitler)
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To: smokingfrog

Any way we can scoop ‘em up and carpet-bomb them over the Middle East ?


6 posted on 01/25/2011 10:39:22 PM PST by fieldmarshaldj (~"This is what happens when you find a stranger in the Amber Lamps !"~~)
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To: smokingfrog

This problem would be over if TX offered to pay me to get the job done...


7 posted on 01/25/2011 10:39:32 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: DemforBush

I'll bring the grill.

8 posted on 01/25/2011 10:41:14 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: NYTexan

LOL!

I believe it.

Turn loose the Texas Cowboy Shoot crew out there and I believe we can take care of the problem for them.


9 posted on 01/25/2011 10:43:38 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: smokingfrog
For crying out loud. How in the world can there be hog overpopulation problem. Doesn't everyone know what you can make out of hogs?

Time to load up the AK and get down to TX before they are all gone.

10 posted on 01/25/2011 10:48:16 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: NYTexan
This problem would be over if TX offered to pay me to get the job done...

It's under the Fed's control, not TX..maybe they can pay. I actually think they should let TX handle this, then the state should sell raffle tickets to folks who wanna shoot hogs from a helicopter..I also like the idea of predator drones..Gamers could buy tickets to that raffle.

11 posted on 01/25/2011 11:02:34 PM PST by sockmonkey
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To: sockmonkey

If those gubmint workers can only manage to trap 40 hogs a year, they’re doin’ somethin’ wrong.


12 posted on 01/25/2011 11:06:52 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: sockmonkey; Eaker; humblegunner; mylife; thackney

I just need a 5 man crew with automatic rifles, air drops for ammo, food & water.

Problem solved!


13 posted on 01/25/2011 11:22:45 PM PST by NYTexan
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To: smokingfrog

Not only that, they release them after sterilization.


14 posted on 01/25/2011 11:23:04 PM PST by PeaceBeWithYou (De Oppresso Liber! (50 million and counting in Afghanistan and Iraq))
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To: smokingfrog

Don’t need helecopters. Just let people shoot ‘em at night with spotlights.


15 posted on 01/25/2011 11:31:09 PM PST by Hugin ("A man'll usually tell you his bad intentions if you listen and let yourself hear it"--- Open Range)
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To: smokingfrog

What is the deal with aerial shooting? It that focus-grouped to cause commies to wet their panties, or something? What is the big deal with shooting some non-native livestock that are out of control? I wish they would just allow more hog hunting seasons. That would probably do it. And offer a reward for boar’s teeth. Cut the number of boars that can service the herd.


16 posted on 01/25/2011 11:41:33 PM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
What is the deal with aerial shooting?

Somebody has been watching too many Hollywood movies...

or they they can charge people some big bucks for an aerial hunting permit?

17 posted on 01/25/2011 11:54:16 PM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: backwoods-engineer

Not too familiar with that terrain — is it easier than shooting from horseback?


18 posted on 01/26/2011 12:06:53 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: All

Nueces Helicopter Pig Hunt (no music)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xiHmYsyVniE

This feral hog eradication program is funded by a group of farmers who are taking progressive action to reduce the devastation done to their crops by these animals. Each and every feral hog is estimated to cause $1400 in crop damage during its lifetime.


19 posted on 01/26/2011 12:07:02 AM PST by deks ("...the battle of our time is the battle of liberty against the overreach of the federal government")
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To: HiTech RedNeck
Not too familiar with that terrain — is it easier than shooting from horseback?

Never been in that particular area, but I've been all around it. My impression is the refuge would be in pretty broken country -- lots of small canyons, gulches and gullies.

20 posted on 01/26/2011 12:16:02 AM PST by okie01 (THE MAINSTREAM MEDIA: Ignorance On Parade)
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To: NYTexan

I have been wanting to go hog hunting in Texas, but the land owners want hundreds of dollars to let me shoot them. As long as land owners make money from the hunts, there will ALWAYS be a hog problem.

You can shoot them from helicopters in the public lands, but the private lands surrounding the park are safe breeding havens.

A few hundred buffalo hunters eliminated millions of buffalo. Its a problem with a solution. Pass a law that defines a wild hog as “any hog not fenced in” and declare open season.


21 posted on 01/26/2011 12:27:08 AM PST by Tread EZ (God bless you and yours)
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To: Lazlo in PA

gimme my baby back baby back baby back.....


22 posted on 01/26/2011 12:48:25 AM PST by onona (ibada)
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To: smokingfrog
If those gubmint workers can only manage to trap 40 hogs a year, they’re doin’ somethin’ wrong. .................................... What do you expect from a unionized work force? I'll bet that there was a lot of overtime involved in getting those 40.
23 posted on 01/26/2011 1:06:14 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: backwoods-engineer
What is the deal with aerial shooting? It that focus-grouped to cause commies to wet their panties, or something? .................................................................... You need to read "1984" to get the template.
24 posted on 01/26/2011 1:08:49 AM PST by fella (.He that followeth after vain persons shall have poverty enough." Pv.28:19')
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To: sockmonkey
...trapping them or killing them in one of several late autumn hunts

Don't exactly know what timing has to do with it. I hunt and kill feral hogs year 'round on my Texas lease about 200 miles north of this spot. In Texas, there is no "season" nor limit to feral hogs. All feral hog hunting is controlled (or should I say uncontrolled) by the state, not the Feds.

My last hog (about 2 weeks ago) was 165 lbs, field dressed. No, it doesn't taste like chicken!

25 posted on 01/26/2011 1:55:00 AM PST by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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To: smokingfrog

26 posted on 01/26/2011 2:00:52 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: smokingfrog

That’s just down the road from LaRue. Bet they would help solve that problem.


27 posted on 01/26/2011 3:23:58 AM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: davetex

A 243 used to ride beside me when out on the ranch, perfect medicine for the occasional coyote. Now that the feral hog’s have showed up the 243 sits at the house and a Panther Arm’s LR 308 rides shotgun. I want to get as many of them as I can as fast as I can. I’ve killed 17 since the first of the year and I’m not making a dent in them. they flew the ranch to the east of us and got over 100 the first month. Only way they’re going to fly this ranch is if I’m the door gunner.


28 posted on 01/26/2011 3:39:15 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: deks
Cool video, deks.

Why were the pilot and shooter wearing camo?

29 posted on 01/26/2011 3:43:40 AM PST by woofer
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To: woofer

So the hog’s wouldn’t see them silly!


30 posted on 01/26/2011 3:48:35 AM PST by Dusty Road
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To: jessduntno

Federal hogs=feral hogs.
Bout the same.
Both reproduce at an alarming rate and do lots of damage.
Feral sows can produce 3-4 litters/year.

But on the good side, feral piglets are very tasty and tender. Just make sure to kill the sow first. They can be particularly nasty.


31 posted on 01/26/2011 3:56:43 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: sam_paine; txhurl

Feral hog hunting time!


32 posted on 01/26/2011 5:17:11 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (America has two cancers - democrats and RINOS.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
"...I wish they would just allow more hog hunting seasons. That would probably do it...."

Actually, no it won't. I talked to a DFW employee who is intimate with the pig problem here, and he made the comment that statistically it is no longer possible to eradicate feral pigs in Texas; the goal now is to simply keep the numbers down. We are losing that battle also.

People think all Texans are driving around the country looking for stuff to shoot, and that is not the case. Many of us are stuck in cubicles.

33 posted on 01/26/2011 6:10:59 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: TexasRedeye
"... My last hog (about 2 weeks ago) was 165 lbs, field dressed. No, it doesn't taste like chicken! ..."

Question: is it super gamey tasting, and can that gamey-ness be mitigated?

I ask because I am gearing up for my first-ever pig hunt, down in Victoria. Bloomington, actually. I am assuming I will turn all the usable meat into sausage so as to hide the funky flavor.

34 posted on 01/26/2011 6:14:25 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: I Buried My Guns
People think all Texans are driving around the country looking for stuff to shoot, and that is not the case. Many of us are stuck in cubicles.

Look, I don't think that. I want to come down and help y'all shoot 'em. And I have no problems with aerial shooting, as long as the meat is saved.

But thanks for the inside info.

35 posted on 01/26/2011 6:48:12 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
"...And I have no problems with aerial shooting, as long as the meat is saved. ..."

Sadly, the meat IS left to rot.

I met a guy a while back who liked to go on helicopter shoots, with the landowner's blessing. He used a DPMS .308, and said that the harness/seatbelt they used allowed him to hang almost entirely outside the helo as the pilot circled. He claimed to have killed seventy pigs in one day. I asked what he did with all the pigs, and he said "we leave them there to rot".

That seems counter intuitive, as the remaining pigs will gladly eat their dead friends. It simply creates another food source for the remaining pigs.

Thus, it seems like a poor idea to me. Not the helo aspect, but the leaving of the carcasses.

36 posted on 01/26/2011 6:58:02 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: smokingfrog

Open season on them here in Mississippi, you can hunt them with dogs, put out bait, catch them in a pen. Here you are allowed to do almost anything to get rid of them, they breed like cock roaches.


37 posted on 01/26/2011 7:08:41 AM PST by Hotmetal (GO DAWGS !!!!!!!)
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To: Tread EZ
but the land owners want hundreds of dollars to let me shoot them. As long as land owners make money from the hunts, there will ALWAYS be a hog problem.

It may be that the hunter problem is a bigger problem for land owners than the hogs. Otherwise the price would come down.

My cousin hunts prairie dogs in SE CO, and there the land owners welcome him, give him the access he wants, all for the asking.

38 posted on 01/26/2011 7:34:24 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Texas resident
Feral sows can produce 3-4 litters/year.

Gestation is 3 months, 3 weeks, 3 days. Add in a few weeks to nurse the baby pigs and you're at 5 months before she will breed again.

39 posted on 01/26/2011 7:39:29 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: I Buried My Guns
I talked to a DFW employee who is intimate with the pig problem here, and he made the comment that statistically it is no longer possible to eradicate feral pigs in Texas

I'm quite sure they said that about the buffalo too.

Never trust the judgement of a government employee, as the power of the free market is unknown to him.

I think my tagline fits here too.

40 posted on 01/26/2011 7:43:14 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: Balding_Eagle
"I'm quite sure they said that about the buffalo too"

But the buffalo don't breed like rabbits, and back then there was an economic incentive to kill buffalo. With pigs, not so much.

41 posted on 01/26/2011 7:48:38 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: Balding_Eagle
I should have wrote:

""...there was an economic incentive for hunters to kill buffalo. ..."

I know landowners have a big incentive to eradicate pigs, but hunters, less so.

42 posted on 01/26/2011 7:50:23 AM PST by I Buried My Guns (Novare Res!)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Yes, the economic incentive (buffalo hides) was nearly everything in the hunts, but today hunters are looking for the sport, and are willing to spend a lot of money to achieve a good hunt.

Packaged, presented, and delivered properly, I’ll bet a trip to hunt wild pigs could become a hunters dream every year.

The primary obstacle, I’m sure, is some bored government employee sitting behind a desk somewhere. He needs to be found.


43 posted on 01/26/2011 7:56:39 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: JoeProBono

Everything is BIGGER in Texas!


44 posted on 01/26/2011 8:12:29 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: davetex

I noticed that.


45 posted on 01/26/2011 8:33:49 AM PST by smokingfrog (BORN free - taxed to DEATH)
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To: I Buried My Guns
But the buffalo don't breed like rabbits, and back then there was an economic incentive to kill buffalo. With pigs, not so much.

There was also a political incentive. Without buffalo to provide meat and fur, the Indians could not live in the area. If you wanted to get rid of the Indians, you got rid of the buffalo.

46 posted on 01/26/2011 8:47:33 AM PST by PapaBear3625 ("It is only when we've lost everything, that we are free to do anything" -- Fight Club)
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To: smokingfrog

Bury all dead hogs near muzzies with a plaq saying ‘’ Here lies Aronald, our family pet of many years, may he rest in peace.’’


47 posted on 01/26/2011 8:55:45 AM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sarah.)
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To: smokingfrog

I’ve heard that they are reproducing at a rate that will eventually outnumber the wildlife in the US.

Turn a negative into a positive. Hunt them down in each state, process them and feed them to the prison populations. Will save the federal and state governments billions of dollars.


48 posted on 01/26/2011 9:10:57 AM PST by Enough is ENOUGH (Ferral hog "environmental" feeding project can help to reduce our deficit.)
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To: I Buried My Guns

Sows do not have any “gamey” smell or taste, but boars can ruin a good mess of sausage.


49 posted on 01/26/2011 11:11:24 AM PST by eartick (Been to the line in the sand and liked it)
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To: smokingfrog

Is this a blood libel against feral hogs?


50 posted on 01/26/2011 11:12:23 AM PST by GSWarrior (Businessmen are more trustworthy than preachers, professors and politicians.)
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