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Lautenberg, Menendez introduce trio of gun-control bills
NorthJersey.com ^ | 1/25/11 | Elise Young

Posted on 01/26/2011 3:22:44 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe

Three federal gun-control bills introduced Tuesday would help prevent such violence as the Tucson attack that left six dead and 14 injured, according to the New Jersey Democratic senators sponsoring the package.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: New Jersey
KEYWORDS: banglist; guncontrol; lautenberg; menendez; newjersey; nj; reichstagfire
Traitor #1 and Traitor #2, hard at work once again....
1 posted on 01/26/2011 3:22:46 AM PST by NewJerseyJoe
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Certifiably demented......idjits at best


2 posted on 01/26/2011 3:23:51 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Must have removed Lousenberg from his crypt for this one.

I'll start saying positive things about New Jersey voters the minute they vote against that fossil.

3 posted on 01/26/2011 3:27:35 AM PST by OddLane
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I hope the Democrats run on Gun Control, Higher taxes, and Bigger Government.


4 posted on 01/26/2011 3:28:23 AM PST by screaminsunshine (Surfers Rule)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Three federal gun-control bills introduced Tuesday would help prevent such violence as the Tucson attack that left six dead and 14 injured, according to the New Jersey Democratic senators sponsoring the package.

How? Are they establishing a Dept of PreCrime?

5 posted on 01/26/2011 3:29:41 AM PST by Dahoser (Separation of church and state? No, we need separation of media and state.)
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To: Dahoser

Yep, they’re just responding to the historical document, you know, where Tom Cruise analyzed the prospects of knowing what other people were certain to do.

...oh, wait a minute, that was a movie, wasn’t it.

Wonder if these Senators realize that.


6 posted on 01/26/2011 3:33:21 AM PST by BelegStrongbow (St. Joseph, patron of fathers, pray for us!)
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To: Dahoser
" ... help prevent ... "

Help prevent?

I help the enviornment when I'm not smoking and I'm helping to pollute it when I am ,,, but I'm still killing myself.

The word 'help' is one way they try to pass law without much opposition.

7 posted on 01/26/2011 3:36:00 AM PST by knarf (I say things that are true ... I have no proof ... but they're true.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I thought 0baMao was doing quite enough to destroy the Rat Party but if these weenies want to add fuel to the fire ... go for it! ;-)


8 posted on 01/26/2011 3:37:09 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
Three federal gun-control bills introduced Tuesday would help prevent such violence as the Tucson attack that left six dead and 14 injured, according to the New Jersey Democratic senators sponsoring the package.

How do people like this get elected? If the perp did not have a gun he could not have shot anyone. So let us punish and take guns away from law abiding citizens. Then only non law abiding people will have guns. Great thinking! ...ehhh?

Or, these misguided legislators with disordered minds, can put up signs that say "No gun zone." That will work! What happened to common sense?

9 posted on 01/26/2011 3:37:37 AM PST by olezip
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To: NewJerseyJoe
“There is no legitimate reason for civilians to have 30-round magazines,” Paul Helmke, president of the Brady organization, said in a statement.
There is no constitutional reason for Helmke or anyone else to tell me what size clip I can own.

Want to enact gun control that is constitutional? Repeal the 2nd amendment. Go ahead. Try. I dare you.

10 posted on 01/26/2011 4:12:17 AM PST by samtheman
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To: NewJerseyJoe

“FROM MY COLD DEAD HANDS” YOU RAT BASTARDS!

LLS


11 posted on 01/26/2011 4:24:51 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
"Would help prevent such violence as the Tucson attack that left six dead and 14 injured"

How???? Didn't the original AWB magazine limits lead directly to the resurgence of interest in the .45 ACP pistol, as well as the popularity of the .40 S&W and .357 Sig calibers today? (A 1911 magazine capacity is 7 or 8 rounds vs. about 13-17 rounds in a 9mm pistol with a flush-fitting magazine.) How can being shot with a larger caliber, more powerful weapon possibly be better for the victim?

There is a "Law of Unintended Consequences"...

12 posted on 01/26/2011 4:46:31 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; marktwain; Lazamataz; Joe Brower; Squantos
Three federal gun-control bills introduced Tuesday would help prevent such violence as the Tucson attack that left six dead and 14 injured, according to the New Jersey Democratic senators sponsoring the package. One bill, called the “Large Capacity Ammunition Feeding Device Act,” would prohibit the manufacture and sale of firearm magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. Such a ban existed until 2004, when it was not renewed by Congress.

This one is going to pass. The grabboids have learned from the AWB experience. They won't make an omnibus gun control bill, they will pick off the low-haning fruit with easily passed targeted bills. And there will be no sunset provision. The Rats will easily get 50 RINOs to vote for the "Gabby Giffords Law To Keep Maniacs From Buying Massacre-Maker Magazines."

Anybody who votes against this "common sense" bill will have their picture in the MSM between Cho and Loughner. "Why does Congressman Smith want maniacs to be able to buy these mass-murder magazines?"

The only question is: will our currently owned magazines be grandfathered?

13 posted on 01/26/2011 5:18:50 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: Dahoser; samtheman

See my last. The magazine law will pass. Even Dick “Shotgun” Cheney says “We don’t need those magazines.

Squishy RINOS will vote for the high cap mag ban, they believe it will make them appear “reasonable” on “gun safety.” They are already saying, “We’re not coming after your guns, don’t worry. Just those evil mass-murder magazines.”

Buy them now, while you can. When the high cap mag ban is passed, there will not be a sunset provision.


14 posted on 01/26/2011 5:24:19 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

OH cool, while that are at it, maybe they should propose laws that make murder illegal. Or assult on a federal official. Or reckless discharge of a firemarm. Or whatever.

Hey Jersey senators, how are your states gun laws working in Camden or Newark?


15 posted on 01/26/2011 5:29:10 AM PST by Texas resident (Hunkered Down)
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To: samtheman

WHY is a premiere gun-grabbing leftist scumbag like Helmke getting the terminology correct (magazine), and a Freeper getting it WRONG (clip)?


16 posted on 01/26/2011 5:43:38 AM PST by DocH (Official Right-Wing Extremist Veteran Seal Of Approval)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I thought the reason the NRA was supporting Reid was to prevent this from happening.


17 posted on 01/26/2011 5:45:00 AM PST by fortheDeclaration (When the wicked beareth rule, the people mourn (Pr.29:2))
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Got to get out of here.


18 posted on 01/26/2011 5:46:07 AM PST by jersey117
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To: Dahoser

They say these new regs would have “helped prevent” the Tucson attack.

I’d like to see them make the case, under cross examination.

No, the reason the Tucson attack happened is that the lunatic’s mother worked with the sheriff who refused to lock him up or commit him.


19 posted on 01/26/2011 5:48:04 AM PST by MrB (The difference between a (de)humanist and a Satanist is that the latter knows who he's working for.)
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To: Texas resident
"Hey Jersey senators, how are your states gun laws working in Camden or Newark?"

The last study I saw indicated that firearm ownership by African-American households was less than half that of white households. So if the goal of gun control is to disarm particularly vulnerable citizens who live in high-crime areas, you'd have to say it's working very well.

20 posted on 01/26/2011 5:50:07 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: MrB

See 13 for how I think the libs will sell a high cap mag ban.


21 posted on 01/26/2011 5:53:32 AM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: Sooth2222

The purpose of gun control is not crime control but people control.

The politicians understand this. The sheep don’t, won’t, and never will. This is the reason that the politicans use the concept of “crime control” to deprive the sheep of their means of defense as they are hearded to the execution pens.


22 posted on 01/26/2011 5:54:38 AM PST by sport
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To: Travis McGee

You may be right; it may pass. They may use this similarly to the telescopic sight ban in your first book. But it gives a simple method of civil disobedience that can grow into bigger things: give a friend a full-capacity mag, and ask them to pass it on.


23 posted on 01/26/2011 6:25:13 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: Travis McGee

I have an idea: how about we shame some RINO into adding a “confiscation” amendment, requiring a door-to-door confiscation by the ATF of all mags > 10 rounds. It would backfire spectacularly. It would probably get thrown out by the courts (taking the whole law with it), and if not, would make the ATF as hated by the general public as the SS.


25 posted on 01/26/2011 6:34:46 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (The future? Imagine Cass Sunstein's boot stamping on Lincoln's beard, forever.)
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To: samtheman; NFHale
Want to enact gun control that is constitutional?

i believe im simply going to offer a deal to these fools...

they relinquish their 1A Right to FReely speak their position, and then we'll talk about diminishing my 2A FReedom...

oops, 'we' wouldnt be able to talk eh ???

thats the game weve been asked to play for decades...

26 posted on 01/26/2011 6:46:00 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: Travis McGee
The only question is: will our currently owned magazines be grandfathered?

does it *really* matter in the grand scheme of things ???

any critter that cant articulate the 2A should be low hanging fruit anyways...

27 posted on 01/26/2011 6:51:43 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

I swear to the Gods that these people are either criminally insane or too stupid to realize this isn’t going to turn out as they plan.


28 posted on 01/26/2011 7:00:32 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: Joe Brower
They and other graboids should have been fed to the hogs long ago.


29 posted on 01/26/2011 7:16:11 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
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To: fortheDeclaration; All
"I thought the reason the NRA was supporting Reid was to prevent this from happening."

I'll bite.

I suppose it's up to you and me to channel Captain Obvious and ask if there's any lesson to be learned in this situation.

Or was that then and this is now? Spilt milk, you know?

Maybe Travis and others are mistaken and it won't pass, who knows, but come on... Gabby Giffords ate lunch in the day and partied at nite with these guys... (prayers for a full recovery and rehab for the lady, BTW.)

I'd bet on it sailing thru the house.

Next stop, the Majority Leader of the Senate's inbox. Let's be fair and give the guy a chance... Time will tell... Right?

30 posted on 01/26/2011 7:19:20 AM PST by OKSooner (Obama confessed "his muslim faith" on the George Stephanopolous show on September 7th, 2008.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe

None of the three bills, if already enacted, would have prevented the Tuscon shootings. So they are lying about that.

We need to call them on their exploitation of tragedy to push “solutions” that wouldn’t even have made a difference in the tragedy.


32 posted on 01/26/2011 8:01:43 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NewJerseyJoe

Some conservative should announce they are introducing a bill to help prevent tragedies like the Tuscon shooting.

The bill should be to ban liberal democrats from being sheriffs.


33 posted on 01/26/2011 8:03:15 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: NewJerseyJoe

We need someone who can photoshop Obama’s head on the Cat in the Hat and these two idiots on his minions, Traitor 1 and Traitor 2.


34 posted on 01/26/2011 8:16:32 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: DocH; samtheman
Agree with you 100%.
FReepers incorrectly using the word "clip" instead of the proper term "magazine" is one of my all-time pet peeves.


35 posted on 01/26/2011 8:23:17 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: NewJerseyJoe
The “Denying Firearms and Explosives to Dangerous Criminals Act” would allow the Attorney General’s Office to prevent firearm or explosive purchases by individuals who are on terrorist watch lists.

While this sounds good on the surface, it is dangerous because there is no due process about how someone is put on the terrorist watch list, there is no public access to the list itself so you won't even know if you have been put on, and there is no way to get off it once you have been put on it.

Remember the stories about how 3 year old children are not allowed to fly because they have the same names as a someone on the "no fly" list? You can GUARANTEE that the same thing will happen with this list, too.

36 posted on 01/26/2011 8:30:18 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: OddLane
Lautenberg’s office cited a Government Accountability Office report that identified 1,119 instances in which those on terror lists bought guns or explosives.

So, what did the FBI do about it? There certainly haven't been 1,119 terrorist incidents. Could it be that the list merely reflects people with the SAME NAMES who had legitimate reasons to make their purchases?

37 posted on 01/26/2011 8:32:37 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: NewJerseyJoe; Gilbo_3

Good to know that some things are consistent in life;

Lautenberg is STILL a d*ckhead, and he’s training Menendez to be one too.

My answer to both of them:

F***’em.


38 posted on 01/26/2011 8:41:13 AM PST by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Travis McGee
Travis McGee, concur with you 100% liberals will use a far more graduated approach to their confiscation efforts this time.
They will seek to drive a wedge between the rural pumpgun duck hunter and the suburban resident with a semi-auto on his/her hip.

It won't be long afterwards until they seek to reduce magazine capacity from ten down to six.
That will be a component of the "Handgun Equality, Diversity, and Inclusion Act of 2011" to be introduced later.


39 posted on 01/26/2011 8:49:29 AM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blood of Tyrants
Probably.

Sounds like the no-fly watch list to me.

Lautenberg is one of the biggest enemies of the Bill of the Rights in the U.S. Senate.

For those who don't remember, he was the author of one of the biggest gun grabs enacted by Congress in the past two decades.

40 posted on 01/26/2011 12:48:39 PM PST by OddLane
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To: OddLane
The good news is that Senator Lautenberg's disgusting reign will draw to a close before long.
There is no way a guy of his age can maintain the workload of a man or woman forty, fifty, or possibly sixty years younger than him.
The likelihood of the voting public re-electing a fossil nearly ninety years of age is increasingly unlikely.

41 posted on 01/26/2011 1:16:59 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: backwoods-engineer

They won’t need to go door to door with searches. They’ll data mine some likely candidates that they know have purchased plenty of high cap mags, do more careful research, and execute raids. A few high-profile arrests will send the message.


42 posted on 01/26/2011 2:49:07 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: Blue Jays

I think the Gabby Giffords magazine law will be their first test, and it will pass easily.


43 posted on 01/26/2011 2:51:06 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: Travis McGee
Your example is precisely what makes it so easy to run roughshod over decent and law-abiding people. Because they're NOT criminals with criminal mentality.
A nice gunowner with a family, job, friends, and responsibilities would see high-profile raids on television with flashbangs, handcuffs, police, and he/she would be inclined to surrender magazines greater than 10 rounds.
It will be interesting to see where this goes.


44 posted on 01/26/2011 3:09:57 PM PST by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: Blue Jays

I think they’ll make it “palatable” for squishy RINOs to pass the law by grandfathering in mags already owned. After some date, new mags will have “Law Enforcement Use Only!” stamped all over them. It won’t matter much to people with plenty of mags. What it will do is lead to more pistols being sold in .45 caliber, built around a ten round mag.


45 posted on 01/26/2011 3:13:57 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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