Skip to comments.Party-line vote in Idaho for ‘nullification’ bill
Posted on 01/26/2011 10:13:47 AM PST by Idabilly
BOISE - On a straight party-line vote, with all 15 Republicans on the committee voting in favor and all four Democrats voting against, the House State Affairs Committee voted this morning to introduce legislation seeking to nullify the federal health care reform bill.
Rep. Vito Barbieri, R-Dalton Gardens, told the panel, The federal health care laws recently passed by the U.S. Congress have invaded the traditional sovereign powers of the state. This bill declares that this intrusion by the federal government is null and void.
Committee members had lots of questions for Barbieri. Are you
aware that no court in the history of the United States has ever upheld a state effort to nullify a federal law? Rep. Elfreda Higgins, D-Garden City, asked Barbieri. He responded, I do believe no federal court has done that. The difficulty is that the federal courts are an arm of the federal government, so it would be very difficult to imagine an arm of the federal government ruling against itself.
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What a dumb waste of time. Nullification? What’s next? Secession?
If your President keeps it up, you betcha!
lol. What idiocy.
REALLY. California just NULLIFIED the federal Law against MARIJUANA.
Where is the uproar.
It already has PRECEDENT within the LAST year.
“lol. What idiocy”
You might want to rethink that reply.
We can only hope. Time to move to Idaho.
” Whats next? Secession?’
Works for me. Let those of us that don’t want to play take our ball and go somewhere else. The rats and all their communist buddies can try to live of the non producers and leeches. Tell me how well that’s gonna work....red
You know this was tried once right?
Man, I miss Idaho. Notice the dumbbell naysayers show up on this thread to mewl their useless opinions that this action is a waste of time. They are generally government teat-suckers who couldn’t wipe the drool from their own chins.
The 10th amendment doesn't delegate anything to the states or the people.
Yup and the South lost the War of Northern Aggression due to a lack of resources. Lets try it again and see how it works out the 2nd time. The shoe is on the other foot this time....rede
Notice the question, and the assumption under the question,
that the “federal courts” are the ultimate authority in this country.
Good luck with that. lol.
The South did not LOSE the War of Yankee Agression. Lee declared a time out to rearm.
Perhaps the better word would be “reserves”.
The 10th reserves to the states all powers not delegated to the general gov’t.
lol. Appomattox. I would have more sympathy for the Southern cause if their Constitution weren’t such a pathetic copy of the US Constitution. WHat is the point of revolution if you’re going to make all the same mistakes? It’s absurd. The Confederate Constitution didn’t even create a confederacy! It was a consolidated republic with all the same fatal flaws as ours. Ridiculous.
The 10th Amendment delegates any powers to the states not delegated to the United States and not prohibited to by it to the states.
No, it reserves those powers. It delegates nothing.
So then the quesion becomes, what powers are those that are not delegated to the US, nor prohibited to the states, and second, under the Constitution, who decides such questions?
The answer, of course, is that the federal judiciary decides what powers are or are not delegated to the US. The states don't get to decide. You can't have some states deciding one way, and other states another way. That's not how the Constitution lays it out.
Regulating health care is not an enumerated power in Article 1 Section 8
You've never heard of implied powers? You should read up on it and disabuse yourself of this fantasy that the Constitution delegates expressed powers only. Would that it were so!
It's pretty damned smart, actually. You are just willing to roll over for hefty doses of Socialism or something?
Fatal flaws? Other than the failure of dishonest people to abide by their oaths, what exactly is fatally flawed about the Constitution? You do realize that there is a perfectly good manner to change any section; it’s called amending the Constitution.
However, no matter if evil people cannot and will not abide by the Constitution.
Don't blame me--I'm an anti-federalist. It's all you federalists who support the system that killed states sovereignty.
Well that is your opinion. How about not raining on every damned parade you see?
As for the amendment process, funny that when the patriots fought the revolution, they declared the right to alter or abolish the government. But then when the framers created their own, suddenly we only have the right to alter our government if we can get 2/3rds of both houses and 3/4ths of the state legislatures to agree. Not really in keeping with the Declaration of Independence.
Please ~ping~ me to articles relating to the 10th Amendment/States Rights so I can engage the pinger.
If you want on or off the ping list just say the word.
Tenth Amendment Chronicles Thread
Tenth Amendment Center
Firearms Freedom Act
Health Care Nullification
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Give it a rest Puck.
This rather pushy federal gumbint pushes Texas too far and secession may just be in the cards.
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NTH - You're right, the South didn't LOSE. Lee took a time out to rearm AND get something to eat.....they were gettin' hungry!
Idabilly - Am I going to have to pack it up and move to Idaho or TX?! We can't even get AR to fight ohaha's (lower case intended) Health (S)care monstrosity! We weren't able to send enough of the dhimmis home in November, but we did make some headway.
This God given right to consent to your Government was never ceded away. It couldn't be since it is God given.
The Federal Government is not what concerns me, it is the thought process of my fellow Americans. To think that there are people that believe that one person's hard work and investment for their children's future is rightfully theirs for the taking, is downright sickening. Beyond the latest Republican victory, how do we chain Fedzilla within the confines of the Constitution, this time for good?
I'm of the opinion that the States, the creators, need to reclaim their rightful authority. This is no business for the courts, since they were not a party to the compact; but a creation thereof. I probably have more to risk than most that post here, as in regards to stock & bond market fluctuations and loss of capital. But, I'd give every cent I have to ensure my children can live free. Flags and songs be damned!!
Too bad the Gem state didn't put any teeth into it like Texas did. Make it illegal by state law to try and inact it, punishable by fine or jail time.
Our Governor has been moving Right! You forget, we have more gun stores,,, than bars. That term " gun broke " has real meaning around here. It will become law! Next, it will be reclaiming our State forest... then there's them wolves!
That's the theory. Now let's see what we can to to make them PRACTICE it.
This Constitution, and the Laws of the United States which shall be made in Pursuance thereof; and all Treaties made, or which shall be made, under the Authority of the United States, shall be the supreme Law of the Land; and the Judges in every State shall be bound thereby, any Thing in the Constitution or Laws of any state to the Contrary notwithstanding.
If it isn't an enumerated power under Art 1 Sec 8, then nothing Congress passes can make it legit. No, not even a SCOTUS ruling. Sorry, it just doesn't work that way. Not on paper at least.
We haven't stretched enough necks to make them follow it. So now they just figure they can ignore the limits.
They are in for a very rude awakening.
Don’t look for confines in the Constitution. It’s full of holes.
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Don’t confuse the weatherman with the weather.
The federal judiciary interprets the meaning of the Constitution, and when that reaches the SCOTUS, the decisions are final. SCOTUS decisions, in short, have all the same power as Constitutional text. That IS how it was written, sadly.
It serves a short-term political purpose, as a form of obstruction. But it’s not nullification—it’s merely non-compliance. The states cannot nullify a federal law. They can obstruct if they like, and then it’s up to the feds to enforce it.
I think you're getting the idea. ;-)
Sooo... you think that the federal government is going to roll tanks into 2 dozen states and enforce REAL ID?
I always wondered how strange Progressive/Commie things ever happen in the state of TX...now I know why!!!
You may never have voted for a Democrat but you are a Progressive through and through and you probably have a secret room dedicated to Woodrow Wilson because the two of you see eye to eye.
Secession could very well be a reality once the Federal Gov’t starts bailing out states. Any state that stays aboard this sinking ship at that time would be pretty stupid.
LOL. George Washington was too much of a big goverment guy for me, and you think I admire Wilson? lol. That’s funny. Good luck seceding.
But that’s not nullification. It’s civil disobedience. Nullification, as a legal doctrine, is nonsense.
I love Idaho! A 15:4 party line vote. I’d love even more to see that ratio in the US Congress, if it was Tea Party and not the RINO wing of the GOP.