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"Minutemen" Member on Trial in Murder of Girl, 9
CBS News ^ | January 26, 2011 | Tucker Reals

Posted on 01/26/2011 2:07:06 PM PST by Cardhu

(CBS) TUCSON - A woman went on trial Tuesday in Arizona accused of gunning down a 9-year-old girl and her father in their own home. The story was overshadowed by news of President Obama's big speech and by the other Arizona shooting which has gripped the nation, but it's no less shocking.

Shawna Forde, the head of a fringe anti-immigration patrol group called Minutemen American Defense, is charged with two counts of first degree murder.

Prosecutors say she organized a raid on the home of Gina Gonzalez and her husband Raul Flores on May 30, 2009. Forde allegedly believed Flores was involved in drug trafficking and that she and her associates would be able to seize cash or drugs in order to help fund their patrol efforts.

According to police, Forde led the raid, shouting order to two male accomplices (who will stand trial in March) during which Raul was shot multiple times and killed. Gina Gonzalez was shot twice, but survived to hear her daughter, Brisenia Flores, plead for her life before being shot twice and killed.

CBS News affiliate KOLD reports that the trial began Tuesday in Tucson with vivid testimony from Gonzalez herself.

"I can hear it happening. I can hear her telling him to 'please don't shoot me,'" said the bereaved mother through tears, recounting the moments before she lost her daughter.

(Excerpt) Read more at cbsnews.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; News/Current Events; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: aliens; arizona; minutemen
"Shawna Forde, Leader of Fringe Militia Group, Accused of Killing Latino Man, Daughter in their Arizona Home"
1 posted on 01/26/2011 2:07:09 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

It’s getting so whatever the story might be, even this one, I look for Democrats manipulating the news to hurt Republicans.


2 posted on 01/26/2011 2:10:03 PM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: RoadTest

This one seems to be pretty good at making bad news all by herself.


3 posted on 01/26/2011 2:14:44 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Cardhu
"I can hear her telling him to 'please don't shoot me,'"

If a child pleading for her life was shot in cold blood, I'll be glad to volunteer as executioner for the murderer. I don't care what their politics are.

4 posted on 01/26/2011 2:17:51 PM PST by Baynative (Truth is treason in an empire of lies)
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To: RoadTest

This quote from the prosecutor “Forde allegedly believed Flores was involved in drug trafficking and that she and her associates would be able to seize cash or drugs in order to help fund their patrol efforts.” certainly makes the connection germane.


5 posted on 01/26/2011 2:19:00 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
"Forde allegedly believed...that she and her associates would be able to seize cash or drugs in order to help fund their patrol efforts."

Gee....I wonder where they ever got the idea they could do that?

6 posted on 01/26/2011 2:20:14 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Cardhu

Why did you post this? The newspaper article presents the story in a way which claims that minuteman groups are responsible for and perpetuated this. If we got the full story, we would undoubtedly see evidence that the women and her cohorts were psychopathic and leftist. Instead, the article draws the false equivalency between lunatics who put down people in their own homes and patriots guarding the border from illegal scum.


7 posted on 01/26/2011 2:22:19 PM PST by Objective Scrutator (Liberals are lazy, and objectively pro-lazy.)
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To: Cardhu

“a fringe anti-immigration patrol group called Minutemen”

no bias here


8 posted on 01/26/2011 2:25:09 PM PST by MNDude
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To: Cardhu

This was clearly the work of a criminal who stole drugs from another criminal and got caught. Nothing to do with Minute Men.

Robbing drug dealers is a common criminal activity. This is just an ingenious excuse for doing it.


9 posted on 01/26/2011 2:25:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Objective Scrutator

I posted it because the connection to the Minutemen themselves seem to acknowledge she was on the fringe element of their group.

“Forde had Gonzalez’s wedding ring and jewelry with her when she was arrested days after the shooting, authorities say. Shortly after her arrest, members of the Minutemen movement disavowed her, saying they did not trust her and that she had stayed on its fringes.”

And since when does anyone have to account themselves to you.


10 posted on 01/26/2011 2:31:19 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu
I will follow this case closely.

I also remember(not in Pima County) another case along the Arizona border with Mexico where a rancher was shot in his home by Illegal alien Drug dealers around the same time frame or earlier than this case.

That case got the attention of my NRA magazine I get every month but I don't recall the exact time this happened. All I remember is that no charges were filed on that case.

I don't know any details on this case other than the CBS video but I can tell you one thing. If it turns out that Junior( the husband who got killed) was a dealer and was actually killed by his gang, I will never let that FOX Scumbag Geraldo Rivera forget it.

11 posted on 01/26/2011 2:31:27 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cicero

See post #10


12 posted on 01/26/2011 2:32:37 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Cardhu

That sounds like just plain murder.


13 posted on 01/26/2011 2:34:00 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Objective Scrutator

I didn’t know the “Minutemen” groups were conducting armed drug raids (sounded like murder to me)... I thought they were trying to secure the border...

/shrugs


14 posted on 01/26/2011 2:35:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Cardhu

Most likely an infiltrator.


15 posted on 01/26/2011 2:38:42 PM PST by BigSkyFreeper (In 2012: The Rookie and The Wookie get booted from the White House.)
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To: Cardhu
this is from the article:

"The Arizona Daily Star reports that there have been some discrepancies in the statements Gonzalez has made to investigators - reportedly telling them the woman who invaded her home was a brunette, when Forde is blond. She also claimed that some items of jewelry found in the possession of the suspects had belonged to her, but one bracelet she said was stolen from her home was apparently purchased by a suspect on eBay. "

Apparently the murdered little girl's mother has made some conflicting statements about property stolen in this case. If the prosecutors found the actual wedding ring belonging to the victim's wife in the procession of the suspect, that is one thing. If however the jewelry in question was not the property of the wife and mother of the victims, but actually belonged to the suspects,that is entirely something else.

Let's see this case play out before coming to any conclusions about the veracity of the people involved.

16 posted on 01/26/2011 2:40:35 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Objective Scrutator
Forde isn't a leftist. She's a petty crook. She was a member of Minuteman Civil Defense Corps but was expelled for unstable behavior. She then founded her MAD group, which had 14 members at the time of the murders.

The story is upfront with the fact the home invasion was motivated by a robbery to look for money and drugs, not by politics.

17 posted on 01/26/2011 2:41:26 PM PST by colorado tanker
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To: Cicero
Robbing drug dealers is a common criminal activity. This is just an ingenious excuse for doing it.

If you or I committed a crime I am sure the Minutemen would no rush in to disavow us unless we had some sort of connection with them.

Most people would be horrified at the cold blooded murder of the little girl - but sadly only a couple of people on here have mentioned that aspect of the crime.

18 posted on 01/26/2011 2:45:48 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Objective Scrutator; Cardhu
And since when does anyone have to account themselves to you.

I would like to see your answer. This is a CBS story, not a blog posting from DU or KOS.

19 posted on 01/26/2011 2:46:00 PM PST by submarinerswife (Stay focused and determined. Our destination is NOVEMBER!!)
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To: Cardhu

“She stayed on its fringes”

I couldn’t be certain that she had no involvement. But again, it sounds as if any involvement was for her own evil purposes.

Actually, robbing and shooting anhyone, even a drug dealer, is murder. As you say, shooting a child is far worse. I think that is understood. The left, of course, will try to use this vile crime to smear conservatives or anyone who wants to do something about illegal immigration.


20 posted on 01/26/2011 2:54:48 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Cardhu
"but sadly only a couple of people on here have mentioned that aspect of the crime."

You are far from being 'one of the few people' concerned about any crime when innocent folks are murdered in their homes. In post#11 I mentioned a case where a rancher was murdered about the same time in Arizona but probably not the same county.

Don't be too quick to sell FREEPERS short on compassion for victims of violence.

21 posted on 01/26/2011 2:57:07 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cicero
"The left, of course, will try to use this vile crime to smear conservatives or anyone who wants to do something about illegal immigration."

Forget about the 'LEFT'. They will fail if they try to tie this horrible event to anyone but those directly responsible.

Even the 'LEFT" has learned that lesson this past month with another terrible crime of violence.

22 posted on 01/26/2011 3:02:00 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cardhu; submarinerswife

As if you didn’t already know that CBS was a liberal cesspool (which, unlike Kos, tries to appeal to people who haven’t gone off the edge), the article is blatantly biased. It has a substantive report from Immigration Clearing House, but misrepresents the HeraldNet article it links (which presents Gilchrist as far more hostile towards Forde than CBS lets on), and links to some smear merchant who says the loaded title, “Even within the anti-immigration movement...”. They provide good sources, so I suppose the article isn’t completely worthless.

You really should have posted the Immigration Clearing House link; that would have let more people see the truth of the matter.


23 posted on 01/26/2011 3:03:21 PM PST by Objective Scrutator (Liberals are lazy, and objectively pro-lazy.)
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To: Objective Scrutator; Cardhu
"You really should have posted the Immigration Clearing House link; that would have let more people see the truth of the matter.

Do you have the link? If you do, please provide it.

Forget Cardhu!!! Cardhu is too busy showing off every vacation taken in his/her life to be concerned with the facts of this case.

24 posted on 01/26/2011 3:11:03 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cardhu

Unfortunately, there is no law of nature I’m aware of that would prevent criminals from having conservative politics. Or people with conservative politics from committing horrible crimes.

When we try to claim these people absolutely could not be members of an anti-immigration group, we fall into a trap. If evidence is presented that unquestionably proves they were members, then we are stuck with them.

Why can’t we just agree anybody who does such things, whether they agree with us politically or not, are the scum of the earth and should be executed as soon as possible? If they need somebody to push the button on the killer of this little girl, I’m available.

It’s their actions that are relevant, not their politics.


25 posted on 01/26/2011 3:11:47 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Objective Scrutator

This is a report of the proceeding of a court case - which is being reported in many publications.

Most people can handle all the news not just the bits that make them feel good. If you want me to be your censor I will make sure that only things that will make OS fat ,dumb and happy will be fed to him/her.

Fortunately, there are many other on here that can handle whatever the world throws at them and do not need to be protected from reality.


26 posted on 01/26/2011 3:14:12 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Sherman Logan

I absolutely agree with those observations - unfortunatatley there are many on here that seem to be confused between politics and religion and tend to treat former as if it were the latter.


27 posted on 01/26/2011 3:17:02 PM PST by Cardhu
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To: Sherman Logan
"then we are stuck with them."

'We' are stuck with nobody. We are stuck with what we do. Not something someone else did.

That is the difference between collective verses the individual.

If some famous left wing extremist's child or the blood relative of some Hollywood miscreant did something terrible, do you seriously think that they would own it?

They would blame BUSH/PALIN/LIMBAUGH/BECK/NRA/ and anyone else for fermenting a climate of hostility which culminated in the horrific acts committed by the ones who are really responsible but it is still the fault of BUSH/PALIN/LIMBAUGH/BECK/NRA/!!!

In short we own what we do. It is what we do that defines who we are, not what we say.

28 posted on 01/26/2011 3:37:42 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cardhu
"If you want me to be your censor "

Go teach your grandmother to suck eggs.

29 posted on 01/26/2011 3:40:28 PM PST by wmileo
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


30 posted on 01/26/2011 3:50:08 PM PST by HiJinx (What new decade?)
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To: wmileo; Cardhu
Sure, here you are. Here's the other source, as well, which CBS misrepresents. @Cardhu: This is a conservative forum, a sanctuary from Democrats and the rest of the degenerates which plague our nation. Your source is misleading people into criticizing the Minutemen, which advances the goals of the Democrats. People here would be annoyed if you tried to pass off Democratic Underground as a news source (even if their article was ostensibly free of profanity and the rest of the moonbattiness which characterizes that cesspool), so it's only natural that we'd be annoyed at you passing off CBS as a legitimate news source. Reporting is often biased, too.
31 posted on 01/26/2011 3:51:23 PM PST by Objective Scrutator (Liberals are lazy, and objectively pro-lazy.)
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To: GeronL

Forde had nothing to do with THE Minutemen, other than being thrown out of the group when they saw how warped she was.


32 posted on 01/26/2011 3:56:18 PM PST by HiJinx (What new decade?)
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To: HiJinx

and we both know that isn’t going to stop the media


33 posted on 01/26/2011 3:59:38 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: Objective Scrutator; Cardhu
To Objective Scrutator,

Thank you for the links.

Cardhu,

We FREEPERS don't need a censor.

34 posted on 01/26/2011 4:11:57 PM PST by wmileo
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To: Cardhu
Most people would be horrified at the cold blooded murder of the little girl - but sadly only a couple of people on here have mentioned that aspect of the crime.

So your real intent is to troll for hand wringing rather than to put the story out here for an open discussion!?!

Sounds like a group of armed robbers who used a minor border defense group to gather intel on potential robbery victims.

35 posted on 01/26/2011 4:20:56 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Joe 6-pack

She was thrown out of every Minuteman organization known to man, SO she started her own.


36 posted on 01/26/2011 4:50:51 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: GeronL; HiJinx

RIGHT....................

But when a MUSLIM kills some of our Military in Fort Hood, we aren’t supposed to blame the Muslim Religon. We are not supposed to say that any other Muslim would be so radical.

But you can go ahead and point a finger at the Minutemen because of this one kook.

DOUBLE MEDIA STANDARD


37 posted on 01/26/2011 4:56:22 PM PST by chicagolady (Mexican Elite say: EXPORT Poverty Let the American Taxpayer foot the bill !)
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To: Objective Scrutator
This is a conservative forum, a sanctuary from Democrats and the rest of the degenerates which plague our nation.

LOL. A 'sanctuary'? Really? Are we supposed to be sticking our heads in the sand around here?

Information is information. How YOU choose to see it is on you - not the rest of us.

38 posted on 01/27/2011 3:36:40 AM PST by raybbr (Someone who invades another country is NOT an immigrant - illegal or otherwise.)
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To: raybbr

Correct. It is actually helpful to excerpt and post it so we can see just how depraved the mediabot Quislings have degenerated.


39 posted on 01/27/2011 6:57:06 AM PST by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Cardhu

She was kicked out the Minutemen because she was a freak nutcase and a career criminal. She started her own “gang” and gave it a name.


40 posted on 01/27/2011 7:02:06 AM PST by Dead Corpse (III%. The last line in the sand)
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To: GeronL

True dat...


41 posted on 01/27/2011 8:40:58 AM PST by HiJinx (What new decade?)
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