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Posted on 01/27/2011 10:52:52 AM PST by jmc813
The New York legislature is debating a statewide ban on e-cigarettes, the Associated Press reports. Health advocates point to the addictiveness of electronic cigarettes as part of the reason such a ban would be appropriate.
“I got interested in this because I saw all these ads for e-cigarettes, so I did some research,” said Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal. “I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery.”
Rosenthal’s bill would ban e-cigs in the state until the U.S. Food and Drug Administration can look into and regulate the battery-powered devices. The Assembly Health Committee will first vote on the bill before the rest of the Assembly.
Last year, her bill made it past the Assembly but halted in the Senate, which then had a Democrat majority. This year, Senate Health Committee Chairman Kemp Hannon said his committee will look at the bill and may hold a hearing, but that right now, it was too early to predict the proposal’s chances for passage.
In December, a U.S. Court of Appeals ruled that the FDA couldn’t regulate e-cigs as a drug. However, the agency can still regulate the device as a tobacco product. Last September, the agency warned five distributors of electronic cigarettes to stop using language that claims their products help reduce or stop smoking.
They can’t tax the bejeezus out of e-cigs like they can real tobacco, so out they must go!
Bingo!
For your list.
I tend to agree with the idea I’ve heard expressed that the anti-smoking crusade was never about health, it was a social experiment to see if propaganda and government edict could impact people so significantly they’d even give up a long-ingrained habit. It’s the same sort of thing they’re now trying to do with food. It’s all about control.
E-cigarettes are like a shot across the bow of government control. That sort of thing makes them nervous.
“I got interested in this because I saw all these ads for e-cigarettes, so I did some research,” said Assemblywoman Linda Rosenthal. “I found what is in the e-cigarettes is a mystery.”
The complete pathology of a nanny state liberal busy-body.
Don’t know why they couldn’t tax the consumable part the same way. It seems like a healthier alternative but I see no escaping the fact that it’s a drug-delivery device and should rightfully come under FDA regulation.
Rosentha
Yet another one in government.
Very well stated Jenny. My company and numerous other hospitals in the area recently enacted a “Tobacco Free” policy where the use of tobacco on our campuses, leased buildings, and annexed parking lots is against policy. This even goes for patients, visitors, and vendors! The outrage has been widespread, but what really irks me is that the hospital systems are willing to pay for (subsidize) smoking cessation products like the patch or gums, but they will NOT subsidize e-cigs and even e-cigs are considered “tobacco products” and thus not permissible for use.
I know a lot of people who’ve quit smoking thanks to e-cigs. Patches, gums, and even Chantix are constantly cited as “long term use” solutions whereas I’ve known people who kicked the habit in less than a month using e-cigs.
This is all about control. I hate that they want to control everything we do, even down to what products we use to control us. It’s 1984 and Animal Farm rolled into a tight little bureaucracy.
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But you can buy Nicotine patches no problem...
Similar to a cup of coffee or a Coke or energy drinks?
I recently quit smoking for a multitude of reasons. Namely for my health; but every time I get the urge to smoke; I think of how some bureaucrat is going to take that tax money and spend it in “social” dollars on parasites or needless programs. I ain’t funding it anymore voluntarily.
Think deeper next time, bigbob.
One more reason I am glad we moved out of NYS last November.
I left New York State in 2000, and NEVER regretted the move. My only complaint is that New York still exists.
This is an easy one, the NY does not want people to quit smoking. If people use these things to wean themselves off of nicotine they would lose million$ if not billion$. Evil.
I have two relatives that are heavy chain smokers who have tried these things with good results.
It didn't totaly stop them from smoking real cigarettes, but it signficantly cut down it down. Did it cut down on their nicotine consumption--probably not, but it did cut down significantly the tar, smoke, and other bad things they were ingesting.
These things aren't harmless, but the are a huge step in the right direction health-wise from smoking real tobacco.
Or in a so-called scientific meteorological culture.
I don’t get it. Isn’t the problem with smoking the tar in the smoke, not the nicotine? So if there’s a relatively harmless nicotine delivery device, what is the problem?
The problem? They can’t tax it....YET.
“I recently quit smoking for a multitude of reasons...”
Good for you, my FRiend. Multi-decade smoker, I quit Xmas eve, for no particular reason...I just ran out, then didn’t want to go out Xmas day to buy more, and before I knew it, I had gone 2 days without smoking. So I just took it another day, then another, then another. Just to see if I could.
The gum helps big time! Though you can definitely overdose on it and get a real crappy headache from a nicotine OD. It can also produce every bit of a scratchy voice and hacky cough just like smoking a real cig. Every symptom of smoking, it can create.
And yeah, I could smoke about 5 cigarets right freakin’ now. But I am too invested now. Stay with it!
There’s nicotine in tomatoes.
Well, then, this Congresswoman Rosenthal is an idiot. You don't ban it before it gets going--you can't collect any taxes that way!
Good point. Let's ban ketchup and pasta sauce.
Here's the whole story:
NY and CA legislators spent a good deal of time and taxpayer money in getting laws passed to tax the crap out of cigarettes (a pack of cigs is about $15 in NYC right now, by the way) and this incoming tobacco revenue is zillions and zillions of dollars. The legislators were counting on the money.
Now all of a sudden, there are little eCig manufacturers selling liquid nicotine that's delivered in puffs out of a Taiwanese-made battery powered device. There's no tax on that and the market cannot be controlled. It's going to ruin everything, just like how the Internet basically ruined the USPS mailing handwritten letters with their fancy 'electronic mail'.
They can't stop the manufacture of this liquid nicotine, since it's just basically a non-detergent soap solution made from gelatin. The tobacco content in the solution can be extracted from a single $5 pouch of leaf chewing tobacco and put in little bottles that would last a typical smoker about 6 months. You can do it yourself at home if the FDA tries to shut down the little outfits who sell the pre-made juice that goes inside 'eCigs'.
For the cost of a $40 eCig starter kit and another $20 in the nicotine goop that goes inside them, you can smoke for months and months instead of spending thousands on tobacco cigarettes that are heavily taxed.
So, there's nothing left for the FDA to try to control except for the delivery device, which is really nothing more than a 'AA' battery and a tiny coiled wire that gets hot when contact is made with the battery. A US Appeals Court just told the FDA to get lost when the FDA said that they could regulate 'AA' batteries.
This whole 'Ban the eCigarette!' fiasco is nothing more than liberal politicians losing tax revenue because smokers are switching away from the traditional tobacco cigarette that the liberals pretend that they hate.
I do have a question to eciggers. The vapor that is inhaled, would it deposit water in the lungs?
Re your post 31:
Thanks for the great explanation.
If this catches on, not only does tax revenue go down: so does bulk cigarette consumption, and so does the value of the tobacco bond settlements. It will take time, but as you point out, there’s a lot of revenue at stake.
It’s hard to believe that some of the tobacco companies pioneered this once you realize how cheap the nicotine ingredient is.
I quit smoking in 2 days using them ( March 2010). I quit because I will not give obama any more taxes then I have to. I have avoided about $3,000.00 in taxes.
You still use nicotine but every order I buy lower nicotine. Within 6 mos I will be using 0 nocotine.
The material is propylene glycerine and or vegetable glycerine plus nicotine. Can be used with or without nicotine.
The other parts are a battery & atomiser/heating unit that makes the vapor.
I decided to do what I could to say FU obama.
Good for you on the smoking. Let’s see, one year, one month, seven days and eight hours, since a Marlboro red.
I just got over dreaming about smoking a Marlboro. I won’t even mention how much weight I put on. That is finally going in the other direction.
Hang in there.....
Wait. So you’re saying they don’t necessarily deliver nicotine. If you want, you can just look cool making steam?
So then this is no more a drug delivery device than are brownies, seems to me.
Im sure you could put any type liquid in them, even the funny stuff. Dont know if it would smell. It does not smell if your using the regular liquid.
It’s not just nicotine in there, you can get them flavored. I don’t do it myself (I’ve never been any kind of smoker), but according to two people in my family who do it, it’s like inhaling candy (fruit flavored vapor). With that in mind, I can see the attraction even a nicotine-less eCig might give.
The amount of nicotine in a real tobacco cigarette comes to about 24 milligrams. When a cigarette is burnt, about 23 milligrams of that nicotine goes up in smoke and the smoker only inhales the remaining 1mg remaining.
Therefore, distilling eCig juice from the amount of tobacco used in a carton of real cigarettes can last twenty four times longer: 24:1, or maybe double that. That's lots and lots of eCig fluid.
So, a thimble-sized bottle of eCigarette fluid can contain more nicotine that an eCig user needs . Whenever a smoker wants a cigarette, one teeny drop into an eCig will be enough. You can buy 5mg thimble-sized bottles of eCig juice over the Internet for just a couple bucks.
... and for anyone wondering, the modern eCig feels exactly like smoking a real cigarette -- only there's no lingering smoke (it's water vapor), no burnt tobacco smell, and the eCig fluid can even be had in hundreds of flavors.
The economic savings is enormous on eCigs. Damn near free, compared to real tobacco cigs that have taxes so high that an average "pack-a-day" smoker may spend $3000-$6000 a year on cigarettes. Multiply that by all the smokers in America and you're talking hundreds of billions of dollars.
That's the money that liberal legislators are missing out on, and that's just the tax revenue factor: The health benefits that come from not smoking tobacco cigarettes any longer is amazing. 24 hours after switching to eCigarettes, people aren't coughing any more. A few weeks later, and there's no more black tar junk being spit up any more. Your full sense of taste comes back around this time. Long term eCig users are reporting that they have lung capacity and circulation like they haven't had since before they started smoking those damned tobacco cigarettes, even if they've been smoking for fifty years. You start getting healthier immediately. Read the eCig forums, and the testimonials are astounding: eCigs are a God-send, and so many people are quitting nicotine forever.
eCigarettes are saving people's lives and also saving them boatloads of cash. The first thing you notice is all the money that's not being spent on cartons of cigarettes any more.
Anyone out there still smoking real tobacco cigarettes needs to switch to an electronic cigarette right this flippin' minute, and I ain't kidding.
TRANSLATION: If we can’t TAX it, it must be outlawed!!!
No true conservative would advocate the government tax anything. Maybe you should recheck your politics.
PS I am 72 and have been smoking for more than 1/2 century and have no breathing related problems, no COLD no asthma, no o2 needed. No lung cancer, no wheezing. I'll someday die of something but I will lay odd's it won't be smoking related.
Can you say useless eater?
You said it.
Yeah, but don’t tell goat granny I did...
Thanks thats a rotflmbo response.
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