MSNBC to report on 'Obama's birth record'

1/29/11

[CanaGuy]

Canada? That is where I have always felt that Obozo might have actually been born.

The key word there is "felt". However, to say that Obama's mother skipped across the Canadian border from Seattle for a "free" hospital baby delivery is probably misleading, if not completely unrealistic. The Canada Health Act/Medicare wasn't really passed until 1984, with initial and marginal legislation passed affecting ALL provinces on a national basis starting in 1966 with the Medical Care Act.

In 1961, it wasn't the ubiquitous plan that it is now in each province, and varied widely depending on which province you lived in. It is the provinces that historically and individually have complete control over all health issues. Furthermore, even today, only about 68% of costs are picked up by the health care systems in most provinces....what it was in 1961 in British Columbia (north of Seattle), who can say....one thing is sure, it wasn't free.

And just as an FYI modern update, my mother (a U.S. citizen) last year had medical problems while visiting Nova Scotia and was charged exorbitant full fees (demanded in cash!) for several treatments and a hospital stay because she was a non-citizen. Free.....HA! If it's not free today, it certainly wouldn't have been free in 1961.

For you hardcore conspiracy types, SURE....she could have lied, she could have snuck across the border in a jeep through the woods, faked a local address, told them she lost her Health Card and all other documents, had the delivery, and then skidaddled with the kid in the middle of the night, through the border...and.... Yeah, right. And one more thought: in 1961 they didn't give credit cards to students or the unemployed like they do now. She would have needed lots of cash to fly, drive, and pay for the delivery, etc.

Think some more, because this particular one isn't logical.

[train]

Or this...Has anyone investigated if Obama was born in one of Canada's un-wed Mothers homes?

“A report by the Canadian Welfare Council of 1957 estimated there were about thirty such homes across Canada. By the end of the 1960’s there were roughly fifty homes” – “Gone to an Aunts”, Anne Petrie

United Church Home for Girls (1953)
1750 Sussex Avenue
Burnaby Home for Girls
7401 Sussex Avenue
South Burnaby, British Columbia

B.C.
Marion Hillard House
Serle Road, RR#1
Kamloops, B.C.

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Our Lady of Mercy
Vancouver, B.C.

VANCOUVER
Maywood Home
7250 Oak St.
Vancouver, B.C.
Note: The Salvation Army ran a number of Homes and Hospitals across Canada
Please note that any “Grace” or “Booth” Hospital would also be Salvation Army

Maternity homes… served to further stigmatize pregnant young women by removing them from their families, friends and neighbors… these “homes” could create an austere and frightening atmosphere for the mother, whose freedom of movement was strictly curtailed by these instant chaperones and guardians. Typically, mothers were expected to help out in these homes with chores such as cleaning, dishwashing, and so on… while the mother’s physical needs were met, seldom were her emotional needs addressed…

Most of these homes are now closed and thankfully so, but the history of the”Home for Unwed Mother” is not over as the mothers that resided there from after World War II to well into the l980’s are now giving voice to their stories and experiences during their incarceration there, and their stories must be preserved for their children.

http://www.originscanada.org/homes-for-unwed-mothers

[Fresh Wind]

Are you saying Sheik Obama is the 12th imam?

That would explain a lot.

[CanaGuy]

In 1961, outside of Montreal or Toronto, let's face it, Canada was a rural backwater. The health care was far superior in the States back then (as it definitely is now). Even if SAD was a teen trying to hide the fact she was unwed, with child, and had money, why wouldn't she simply go to the next U.S. town or county? I mean, ponder for a moment...why would she even think about doing something so dumb.

The basic fact is that the U.S. is historically 10 times the size of Canada in population, hence 10 times as wealthy, 10 times the industry, 10 times the hospitals, 10 times the doctors, and [ahem] 10 times the number of unwed-mother homes, with 10 times the people and money to support them, thus... 10 times the number of places to hide out, have a kid, and get better care, all in your own country and close to friends if you have problems.

None of these Canadian stories make sense to me as a Canadian. Maybe it's because you also have 10 times the number of people down there who have trouble thinking logically.

Personally, I enjoy the intrigue of the "story" that she adopted Obama....which eliminates all the pregnancy issues, the hospital issues, her swift recuperation, travel ability, the easy creation of a revised BC, father ignoring the kid, etc.

Of course, what do I know? After all, there are statistically 1/10th as many smart people up here as there are down there.

[Andy from Chapel Hill]

“Personally, I enjoy the intrigue of the “story” that she adopted Obama....which eliminates all the pregnancy issues, the hospital issues, her swift recuperation, travel ability, the easy creation of a revised BC, father ignoring the kid, etc. “

I have not heard much about this theory. Do you have any more details or a site that covers this?
Thanks!

[hennie pennie]

Aw come on now....... back in the 30s, 40s, 50s.... when giving birth was not considered to be an occasion for extraordinary medical intervention, but a relatively normal part of daily life for most women, it doesn't surprise me at all that LOTS of people believe that Stanley Ann's paternal aunt helped arrange a suitable maternity ward for her unmarried pregnant niece.You keep posting the SAME thing to the BHO certifigate threads.... it is NOT like Barry's mommy was seeking out a neurosurgeon or needed a heart transplant.

Just WHY are you so relentless in your pursuit to 'prove' that it's impossible & irrational for an American teen to go to Canada OR Mexico back in the 40s,50s,60s ... when it it was called, "To Go Visit Relatives."

[hennie pennie]

Glenn Beck HAS to dismiss the entire certifigate scandal, because when he suddenly throws his support behind Mitt Romney, he doesn’t want any words to come back and haunt him when people everywhere start wondering how can Mittens be a natural born citizen of the United States when his mexican parents were born in Mexico.

[hennie pennie]

What are the various theories about Stanley Ann having adopted little Barry who is NOT her own biological child?

I'm relative up to date with the idea that Barry may have been her little brother, sired by her father and a mistress; but there are LOTS of other possibilities, right???

Even including a close friend of Maya Angelou who was in Hawaii at the correct time period, IIRC.

[hennie pennie]

>>>> "Personally, I enjoy the intrigue of the "story" that she adopted Obama....which eliminates all the pregnancy issues, the hospital issues, her swift recuperation, travel ability...." <<<<<

This is utterly ridiculous, what CENTURY are you guys from????

Women used to work EVERY single day from sunrise to sunset, and when they needed to, they'd go over to a small clearing behind the bushes and deliver a child, and RETURN BACK TO WORK.

Muawiyah.... just when did NORMAL HUMAN PREGNANCY become a medical emergency??? What a bunch of outrageous sexist drivel.....

[CanaGuy]

Google "Obama was adopted at birth"

Adopted Lots of theories, lots of fun for everyone.

[Protect the Bill of Rights]

In the 30’s my grandmother stayed in bed 10 days after my mother was born (and she was the last one born on the farm). My mother stayed in the hospital 1 week when I was born in the 50’s. My youngest sister was born in ‘63 and my mother was in the hospital for a week then as well. She stayed in bed for a while after that.

My youngest child was born in ‘91. I had him on a Tuesday morning at 6:45, was out of bed at 7:30 before I even had a room, discharged on Thursday and drove to the store Thursday afternoon.

It is not sexist, it was the way things were back then.

[hennie pennie]

Just WHY are you so concerned that nobody explore the distinct probability that the POTUS was born in Canada?

Do you get paid lots of American Dollars for your pontificating???

MILLIONS of unwed American women have given birth in both Mexico and CANADA.

Yeah.... C-A-N-A-D-A

The way you protest & protest & protest leads me to believe that you happen to know something, and that in fact:

BARRY WAS BORN IN CANADA!!!!!!

ALL you ever do in these threads is pooh pooh people who ever mention C.A.N.A.D.A. - which leads me to presume that more research had better go into the CANADIAN ORIGIN OF THE POTUS.

Do you seriously think that back in the early 60s that GIVING BIRTH TO A BABY cost a F $ O $ R $ T $ U $ N $ E .... having a baby did NOT cost a fortune ANYWHERE on this planet back then, and for you to keep belaboring that a healthy young girl couldn't get up the day after giving birth and resume her life just shows how much YOU AND YOUR BUDDIES ARE TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING.

[CanaGuy]

And with that, you just proved my point about why go anywhere special, especially to Canada. They say she had money, so why the intrigue? She could pay for something locally.

Besides, she doesn't sound like she was the type to "hide out", or be embarassed about a bastard child. Also, who knows, she might not have even known it was black, which was more of a stigma then than now. Like I'm trying to reason....why the need to go anywhere special. I would think an unwed-mother's home in Hawaii would make a lot of sense, especially since the hospitals don't appear to have records available.

Has anyone checked the un-wed mothers homes in Hawaii, or Oregan? Maybe she went south, instead of north.

[hennie pennie]

oH mY g00dne$$, don't be silly, little barry could not have possible been Canadian Born because babies in Canada only get delivered by a stork bearing an EXPEN$IVE bill for the delivery --- and even though MILLIONS of other American Girls Gave Birth In CANADA or Mexico, there is ABSOLUTELY no po$$$ibility, none whatsoever, that Barry Dunham Obama was born in Canada, where it is MORE EXPENSIVE TO DELIVER A BABY than anywhere else on the planet at any time in human history.

Did I happen to mention that Barry was NOT born in Canada, it is IMPOSSIBLE, waaaaaaaay to expensive for Stanley Ann and her parents and her CANADIAN AUNT & UNCLE, it's much cheaper to fly to Kenya and deliver the future POTUS in a straw hut.

Besides which HOW could ANY female EVER recover FROM giving BIRTH ???? IMPO$$$IBLE.

Now... uh... where was I....

oH!! That's right.... Did I remember to mention that Barack Hussein Obama was never ever, not even ONCE, born in Canada ??????

[train]

One out of several theories is that she might have been date raped by Obama senior & went to have the baby in Canada and she was only 17. Just another avenue to explore. And this website actually explores and has the history of the specific homes in BC.

United Church Home for Girls (1953)
1750 Sussex Avenue
Burnaby Home for Girls
7401 Sussex Avenue
South Burnaby, British Columbia

B.C.
Marion Hillard House
Serle Road, RR#1
Kamloops, B.C.

BRITISH COLUMBIA
Our Lady of Mercy
Vancouver, B.C.

VANCOUVER
Maywood Home
7250 Oak St.
Vancouver, B.C.

Note: The Salvation Army ran a number of Homes and Hospitals across Canada

Most of these homes are now closed and thankfully so, but the history of the”Home for Unwed Mother” is not over as the mothers that resided there from after World War II to well into the l980’s are now giving voice to their stories and experiences during their incarceration there, and their stories must be preserved for their children.

http://www.originscanada.org/homes-for-unwed-mothers

[muawiyah]

The most extreme version has the baby-momma traveling from Hawaii to Seattle to Kenya, having a baby (where we have someone claiming to be a witness to his birth), then flying back to Hawaii from Kenya ~ with the baby, then back to Seattle, and going to class.

Here's the difficult part ~ these weren't teeny-tiny 17 hour legs. These were HUGE legs taking multiple steps back in 1960.

UNLESS we can get her on board a B-52 the trip would be unlikely for any pregnant woman in her last week.

[CanaGuy]

Please, calm down. I’m as intrigued by the mystery of the Obama saga as anyone else. In order to examine all the threads of the conundrum, sometimes you have to consider things that don’t fit, or are wrong. Maybe I’m wrong. Maybe you’re wrong. But ranting and namecalling is not conducive to friendly discussion.

[ladyjane]

I agree with you. Canada makes sense for a lot of reasons. In those days that is exactly where many of the unwed girls went from the Seattle area. The story was they were visiting their ‘aunt’ who lived far away but they were actually right over the border.

[mad_as_he$$]

Logic cannot be applied to the actions of the Dunham family. That said I agree with you that the Canada thing is probably to wild to be the case.

[hennie pennie]

>>>> "Canada? That is where I have always felt that Obozo might have actually been born. Canada had nationalized (free) healthcare there and it was close to Seattle where she was in school 2 weeks after his birth (assuming the birth date is correct) With no document "proving" he was born in HI, he could have been born anywhere, but why?" <<<<

Tut, tut!! Cluck, cluck!!!

Don't you realize that it is IMPOSSIBLE that The Barack Hussein Obama was born in Canada!!!!!!!

Absolutely IMPOSSIBLE.

There was no place for Stanley Ann to go in Canada to give birth to her illegitamate child ---- she had an aunt & uncle from Canada and they would have told her that although MILLIONS OF AMERICAN WOMEN HAVE GIVEN BIRTH IN CANADA OR MEXICO that OBVIOUSLY their unwed niece could NOT possible EVER give birth to little Barry Dunham is a country where it is more expensive to give birth that anywhere else in any time or in any place.

And then the Tin Man came along and said DONTCHA LQQK BEHIND THAT CURTAIN, because we are supposed to stay upon the little yellow brick road where everything has NOTHING to do with the distinct possibilty that the current POTUS IS CANADIAN BORN !!!!