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Man Gets Leg Up on Would-Be Burglar(NM)
riograndesun.com ^ | 27 January, 2011 | Bill Rodgers

Posted on 01/29/2011 3:14:52 PM PST by marktwain

A man police are calling a would-be burglar lost most of his calf muscles Monday after an Avenida Cañada homeowner shot him at close range with a 12-gauge shotgun.

“(The homeowner) said he didn’t have the heart to kill him,” Española Police Lt. Christian Lopez said. “He shot him in the legs.”

Joe Quintana, 28, was still in surgery at Española Hospital late Monday evening after he was shot by Joseph McNeil just before 9 a.m., Lopez said. A slug from McNeil’s shotgun tore through Quintana’s right calf muscle, which destroyed it, and went through his left calf, partially removing that muscle, according to Lopez, who said Quintana should be able to walk again with surgery and rehabilitation.

“More than likely it’s going to be a while,” Lopez said.

* Emergency personnel were called to McNeil’s home at the intersection of El Llano Road at about 9 a.m. Monday. The yard was cordoned off with caution tape while officers and detectives walked through the living room and photographed the scene of the shooting. Quintana was lying on a stretcher in the doorway to the home, and was moving his head and talking to medical workers before they took him away in an ambulance.

McNeil declined to comment at his home later that afternoon.

Lopez offered the following account of what went on inside the home:

McNeil was in the house, which he shares with his wife, by himself Monday morning when he heard someone trying to remove an air conditioner in a window. When Quintana couldn’t remove the air conditioner, he broke through a bedroom window to enter the house. McNeil grabbed his shotgun and confronted Quintana at the door to the bedroom.

McNeil ordered Quintana to the ground, but he did not listen. The two men fought over the shotgun, and Quintana lost. Quintana, who was unarmed, ran past McNeil for the front door and tried to open it. However, the screen door to the house was dead-bolted and could only be opened with a key from the inside.

Trapped at the front door, Quintana ignored another command from McNeil to get on the ground, so McNeil shot him. The slug was lodged in the wall after it passed through both of Quintana’s legs.

Lopez said the shooting met a standard for self-defense. He said the only other way out of the house after the front door was for Quintana to run past McNeil for the back door.

“Hell, he already fought him one time for the gun,” Lopez said. “(McNeil) thought his life was in jeopardy.”

Deputy District Attorney Cynthia Hill arrived at the scene shortly after the ambulance left with Quintana. Lopez said police investigators would give her the case against Quintana. He said Quintana could potentially be charged with felony burglary and assault, as well as with aggravated assault because the two men were fighting over a firearm.

Quintana faced charges of felony burglary and larceny last October in Rio Arriba County Magistrate Court, according to an online court records database. Hill dismissed those charges Jan. 10 with a motion stating the case may be presented to a grand jury. So far, Quintana has not been indicted on those charges, according to court records.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico
KEYWORDS: albuquerque; banglist; defense; espanola; newmexicousa; nm; santafe; shotgun
A man who will fight you for the gun that you posses is a deadly threat.
1 posted on 01/29/2011 3:14:56 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Choosing burglary as a profession does have its downside.


2 posted on 01/29/2011 3:20:47 PM PST by JPG (Work for conservative change like your country depended on it.)
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To: marktwain

In what part of the world did this take place?


3 posted on 01/29/2011 3:21:46 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: JPG

I hope he has a good lawyer. Dead men do not sue.


4 posted on 01/29/2011 3:23:12 PM PST by Venturer
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Strange story.

He’s probably going to regret letting him live.

I guess we get to pay for his medical bills now...


5 posted on 01/29/2011 3:25:08 PM PST by ltc8k6
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: New Mexico;


6 posted on 01/29/2011 3:26:40 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Don't tell Obama what comes after a trillion)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

Espanola, New Mexico... a bit north and west of Santa Fe.


7 posted on 01/29/2011 3:26:55 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: marktwain

Good for McNeil! Quintana won’t be trying to break into anyone’s house again. Is Quintana illegal, I wonder?


8 posted on 01/29/2011 3:27:34 PM PST by American Quilter (The urge to save humanity is nearly always a cover for the urge to rule. - H.L. Mencken)
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To: marktwain

Good ol’ home defense


9 posted on 01/29/2011 3:30:57 PM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: marktwain
“(The homeowner) said he didn’t have the heart to kill him,” Española Police Lt. Christian Lopez said. “He shot him in the legs.”

If a man is worth shooting, he's worth shooting right.

10 posted on 01/29/2011 3:31:30 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Venturer
I hope he has a good lawyer. Dead men do not sue.

Nor do they come back for revenge.

11 posted on 01/29/2011 3:31:59 PM PST by TheThinker (Communists: taking over the world one kooky doomsday scenario at a time.)
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To: marktwain

Well, at least he won’t be stealing anyone else’s air conditioner for a while.

Trying to steal a heavy appliance is pretty hard without legs.


12 posted on 01/29/2011 3:32:58 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: American Quilter

Most likely homegrown. Northern New Mexico is majority old spanish families going back to the 1600’s. They do not like illegals.


13 posted on 01/29/2011 3:33:02 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: marktwain

Shotgun oh yeah, for the guy who does not want to worry about aiming. I love happy stories.


14 posted on 01/29/2011 3:34:31 PM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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To: marktwain

“(The homeowner) said he didn’t have the heart to kill him,”

The bad guy who wanted your gun so badly more than likely had the heart do so.


15 posted on 01/29/2011 3:35:03 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: marktwain

A SLUG from the shotgun?

Oh, lordy. Yikes.


16 posted on 01/29/2011 3:36:18 PM PST by the OlLine Rebel (Common sense is an uncommon virtue./Technological progress cannot be legislated.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

“Northern New Mexico is majority old spanish families”.

Yea, those 4’9” chica’s are most definitely “Spanish”.
So funny to see Mexicans look down their noses at the other
Incan/Mayan natives from south of the border.
They raise their noses and say, “I’m SPANISH”.
Yea, right prove that in a DNA test.


17 posted on 01/29/2011 3:37:58 PM PST by 9422WMR (Illegal is not a race.)
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To: the OlLine Rebel

“A SLUG from the shotgun?

Oh, lordy. Yikes.”

Yeah, and it was an assault shotgun with high-capacity “mags”, too...


18 posted on 01/29/2011 3:41:56 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: marktwain
For the record and a warning to anyone who would violate my home. I DO have the heart to kill you. I am no longer in the military or law enforcement. I DO NOT take prisoners, if you want to surrender rob someone else. The coroner will have a hard time determining which caliber bullet was the lethal shot, let alone which bullet.
19 posted on 01/29/2011 3:42:22 PM PST by Feckless (I was trained by the US Government to Kill Commies and Radical Moo-slims. Now ain't that irOnic?)
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To: marktwain

“when he heard someone trying to remove an air conditioner in a window”

Dang!! Just how hot is it there in the Jan.?


20 posted on 01/29/2011 3:49:35 PM PST by coldtexan (30 below keeps the RIF RAF out)
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To: coldtexan

Taking a window AC out is often the easiest way to break in.

Or so I’ve been told.


21 posted on 01/29/2011 3:51:31 PM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Jack, can you contact the victim for us?

We here at the personal injury law firm of Dewey, Cheatham, and Howe, feel that young Mr. Qintana has an excellent case against Mr. McNeil, who shot him for no reason at all as Quintana, henceforth known as The Victim, walked home from Bible Studies Class to change for his cello lesson. Obviously, he became disoriented while pondering a point of Quantum Mechanics, and absent-mindedly entered the McNeil home.

Since Mr. Qintana, The Victim,, had a promising and long career ahead of him in Nuclear Physics, Mr. McNeil will will face a hefty judgment, that in all probability will be for more much more than his homeowner's insurance can cover. The McNeil property will become the Quintana property. The way we and law see it, Mr. Quintana simply mistook the McNeil's premises for his own. Ironically, with our fine firm to reperesent him, it soon will be his own.

Free advice to armed homeowners. Shoot to kill when faced with an intruder, or run the risk of having to support a wounded perp for life. Or worse, run the risk of you or a loved one getting killed yourselves.

22 posted on 01/29/2011 3:57:16 PM PST by Kenny Bunk (America might survive Obama. It cannot survive those who vote for him)
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To: All

Let's Put This Baby To Bed!!
Less Than $5k To Go!!
Please Help End The FReepathon

23 posted on 01/29/2011 4:00:20 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Graybeard58

Thank you.

I suspected it was New Mexico, but I couldn’t place any of the names.

I am a great believer, if one can afford it, that everyone should own some type of rifle for long distance targets, a hand gun for shorter distance targets, and a shotgun for intruders trying to get into one’s house.


24 posted on 01/29/2011 4:01:28 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: marktwain

Great, now this emmer effer will sue the shooter.


25 posted on 01/29/2011 4:01:42 PM PST by NoGrayZone (WTF?)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Espanola, New Mexico?

Thank you. I must have driven through it without being aware...or maybe not. If it is on the way to Taos (from Santa Fe), then yes. What beautiful country in that area.


26 posted on 01/29/2011 4:11:43 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

More on the way from Santa Fe to Chama.

Beautiful land indeed.


27 posted on 01/29/2011 4:15:12 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

What I loved to see on the way to Santa Fe from Albuquerque was the “little stream that runs uphill”…at least that is what it was called then. It is on the left-hand side of the road as one drives up to Santa Fe.


28 posted on 01/29/2011 4:27:22 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
I am a great believer, if one can afford it, that everyone should own some type of...

What's your life worth?

29 posted on 01/29/2011 4:27:30 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

You may have misunderstood me. I am saying one should own all 3 types of firearms if one can afford all three types.

But then, maybe you didn’t misunderstand me.


30 posted on 01/29/2011 4:39:39 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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To: Cobra64

Yes, the burglar will try to sue, but he doesn’t have a leg to stand on.


31 posted on 01/29/2011 4:40:39 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 739 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: marktwain
A slug from McNeil’s shotgun tore through Quintana’s right calf muscle, which destroyed it, and went through his left calf, partially removing that muscle, according to Lopez,...

Shotgun surgery.

32 posted on 01/29/2011 4:54:03 PM PST by Inyo-Mono (Had God not driven man from the Garden of Eden the Sierra Club surely would have.)
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To: Inyo-Mono

Good shooting, Citizen. Civilization thanks you.


33 posted on 01/29/2011 5:09:49 PM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: marktwain; The Comedian

>>“Hell, he already fought him one time for the gun,” (Española Police Lt. Christian) Lopez said. “(McNeil) thought his life was in jeopardy.” <<

When the cops are telling you what should go in the report, you know you’ve got it right.


34 posted on 01/29/2011 5:14:19 PM PST by B4Ranch (Do NOT remain seated until this ride comes to a full and complete stop! We're going the wrong way!)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
And I said, "What's your life worth?"

Meaning that some folks might want to forgo a plasma tv in order to afford buying a variety of self defense weapons and training in how to use them safely and effectively.

I spend about $1,200 a year in continuous education with rifles, pistols, and shotguns.

35 posted on 01/29/2011 5:46:48 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: The Antiyuppie

You mean “clips”, right? /s


36 posted on 01/29/2011 5:55:49 PM PST by pingman (Price is what you pay, value is what you get.)
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To: marktwain
A man who will fight you for the gun that you posses is a deadly threat.

Yes, but enough about liberals and gun control what did you think of this story? :-)

37 posted on 01/29/2011 6:48:22 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: CedarDave; LegendHasIt; Rogle; leapfrog0202; Santa Fe_Conservative; DesertDreamer; ...
NM Ping.

Interesting stuff, legally speaking.
This man has a NM Constitutional defense as the State Constitution reads:

Art II, Sec. 4. [Inherent rights.]
All persons are born equally free, and have certain natural, inherent and inalienable rights, among which are the rights of enjoying and defending life and liberty, of acquiring, possessing and protecting property, and of seeking and obtaining safety and happiness.
As you can see, the State Constitution officially recognizes that a person's right to defend his life, or even his property, as being inherent & inalienable. As such they cannot legitimately be repudiated.

If any of you are on Jury duty, please keep this in mind.

38 posted on 01/29/2011 7:05:22 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer); Tijeras_Slim

Espanola, New Mexico?

***************

I believe it’s the heroin capital of the world. Could explain a lot....


39 posted on 01/29/2011 7:39:03 PM PST by JouleZ (You are the company you keep.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim

Yep.... agree.


40 posted on 01/29/2011 7:45:00 PM PST by Squantos (Be polite. Be professional. But have a plan to kill everyone you meet)
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To: Recon Dad

Shotgun oh yeah, for the guy who does not want to worry about aiming. I love happy stories.

Dude used a slug and still took out both legs. Good shooting, not scattergunning


41 posted on 01/29/2011 7:47:13 PM PST by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: pingman

He meant Mag.

Definition of Clips:

Quote:
A clip is a device that is used to store multiple rounds of ammunition together as a unit, ready for insertion into the magazine of a repeating firearm. This speeds up the process of loading the firearm as several rounds can be loaded at once, rather than one round being loaded at a time. Several different types of clips exist, most of which are made of inexpensive metal stampings that are designed to be disposable, though they are often re-used.

Definition of Magazines:

Quote:
A magazine (also called a mag or, commonly but incorrectly, especially when removable, a clip) is an ammunition storage and feeding device within or attached to a firearm. Magazines may be integral to the firearm (fixed) or removable (detachable).


42 posted on 01/30/2011 3:39:07 AM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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To: Tijeras_Slim
"Most likely homegrown. Northern New Mexico is majority old spanish families going back to the 1600’s. They do not like illegals."<

Thanks for saying that Slim. I've been telling people that for years, but very few believe it. The old 'Hispanic' families down here are the same.

43 posted on 01/30/2011 9:45:37 AM PST by LegendHasIt
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To: marktwain

Every time I read a story like this I always wonder how the heck do you get all the blood out of the carpet or does it have to be replaced? Blood leaves a nasty stain doesn’t it?


44 posted on 01/30/2011 9:52:56 AM PST by Hot Tabasco (The only thing Super Glue is good for is gluing your fingers together.....)
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To: LegendHasIt

I’ve come across a lot of that too. Folks just don’t understand how much history we have here.


45 posted on 01/30/2011 2:33:21 PM PST by Tijeras_Slim (Jubtabulously We Thrive!)
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To: Hot Tabasco

“does it have to be replaced”

My understanding is that it usually has to be replaced.


46 posted on 01/30/2011 3:58:33 PM PST by marktwain
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To: OneWingedShark

Thanks for pinging the NM list; I was offline Saturday.


47 posted on 01/31/2011 7:18:31 AM PST by CedarDave (What is DADT? Obama's response when inquiries are made about his birth certificate.)
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To: CedarDave

Not a problem.
Good to have you back.


48 posted on 01/31/2011 9:21:25 AM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: Tijeras_Slim; GatĂșn(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)

From Santa Fe, the road to Chama and the road to Taos both pass through Espanola.


49 posted on 01/31/2011 9:41:14 AM PST by Cooter
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To: Cooter

Thank you. I need to get myself a good map.


50 posted on 01/31/2011 12:29:09 PM PST by Gatún(CraigIsaMangoTreeLawyer)
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