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Dallas-area teen pays $637 fine for cursing in class (Teacher was offended)
Houston Chronicle ^ | January 30, 2011 | AP

Posted on 01/30/2011 1:55:47 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

DALLAS — A suburban Dallas teenager had to take on a waitressing job to pay $637 after being ticketed for using bad language in a high school classroom.

Court records show that teacher Michelle Lene heard Victoria Mullins say "you trying to start (expletive)" loudly in class one day last October. She was sent to the principal's office and given lunch detention. The next day, the school resource officer presented the North Mesquite High School student a ticket.

......The complaint said Lene was offended, and that Mullins' language was a breach of the peace.

Mullins acknowledges she was wrong, but said a classmate was getting on her nerves.

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The teacher was offended! What about students in this class and so many other out of control classes?

I'm offended that my taxed dollars are sunk into the non-productive, non-producing money pit called public education.

So, this is how discipline is handled in our out of control schools. I can see how "educators" might recognize chaos in the classroom as a lucrative source of income.

When will "hardship" and "it's our culture" exemptions kick in?

1 posted on 01/30/2011 1:55:49 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

She was given lunch detention and then given a ticket - seems she was punished twice for the same offence - is it any wonder kids just give up!

Mel


2 posted on 01/30/2011 1:58:44 AM PST by melsec
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

>> So, this is how discipline is handled in our out of control schools.

Well, we’re talking about “in” the classroom in this case. And I think it’s great the kid has to work to pay off the fine. Make em’ all pay for their stupidity - save the taxpayer a few bucks.

Maybe we should mandate hard labor in place of 9th grade, then stick em’ back into the classroom thereafter. I guarantee their attitudes, grades, and vernacular will improve.


3 posted on 01/30/2011 2:02:51 AM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“So, this is how discipline is handled in our out of control schools.”

When I was in school, back in the dark ages, discipline
came from the business end of an oak paddle.


4 posted on 01/30/2011 2:09:38 AM PST by AlexW
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

In the good old days, they would have washed out her mouth with soap.


5 posted on 01/30/2011 2:09:46 AM PST by PAR35
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To: PAR35

One guy in my class was made to eat the cigarettes found in his bookbag. He did, however, get to spit out them out in the trash rather than ingest them.


6 posted on 01/30/2011 2:13:40 AM PST by tenthirteen
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

7 posted on 01/30/2011 2:14:44 AM PST by BigCinBigD (Northern flags in South winds flutter...)
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To: Gene Eric

“Maybe we should mandate hard labor in place of 9th grade, then stick em’ back into the classroom thereafter. I guarantee their attitudes, grades, and vernacular will improve.”

That’s a good idea. Let them do a summer of heavy labor prior to entering 9th grade. School would seem really easy after that.


8 posted on 01/30/2011 2:40:38 AM PST by tuffydoodle (Shut up voices, or I'll poke you with a Q-Tip again.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I bet she is caucasian.


9 posted on 01/30/2011 2:49:46 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I love this. Perhaps we should charge students for all bad behavior. MAYBE students will be forced to be decent instead of nasty brats. I hope this continues and intensifies.


10 posted on 01/30/2011 2:58:10 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: Venturer
I bet she is caucasian.

Note -- the Dallas paper makes the distinction, that she is a "suburban teenager." So I am left with the impression that they wanted to distinguish her from "inner city."

11 posted on 01/30/2011 3:15:16 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In high school back in the mid 70's in the 11th grade I had an English teacher a retired Army Colonel. If the class wasn't paying attention he would let out with a Da**it and toss his desktop podium to the back of the class. That was an attention getter. Then afterward out came the Shakespeare reading & test.

The man understood we were not college bound students and used the class time usually for some wise and sage advice about real life we were soon to face. He told us about a man who began the nation on the wrong path & almost toward a dictatorship. He hated FDR with a passion. LOL.

As for the girl in this article? I'd dish out some extra assignments {research} and a week of after school suspension. I think that was the going punishment in my school days for minor infractions.

Actual monetary fines for these type of problems? I hate to see this happening in schools. $637 is ridiculous meaning it is simply another revenue generation scam dreamed up by some politician with police as the revenue officer. Had the kid physically assaulted the teacher? Oh yea $637 plus suspension for the semester. Assault is an actual crime. The $637 would be worked off two hours per day at minimum wage cleaning the school restrooms during after school hours.

12 posted on 01/30/2011 3:23:13 AM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: cva66snipe

One of the best teachers I had was a marine, who after leaving the service went into teaching. He was respectful but seen as an authority figure. He expected us to learn and we did. You felt good when you went to class. You tried hard to understand and learn the material. And you felt proud when you aced his tests.


13 posted on 01/30/2011 3:37:21 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I see no way they would have given a black girl a ticket for using bad language. I just don’t see it.

Jesse and Sharpton would have been down on them like stink on a skunk.


14 posted on 01/30/2011 3:38:21 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Then what’s Biden’s fine for “this is a BFD”??


15 posted on 01/30/2011 4:08:56 AM PST by trailz
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To: melsec
You would change your attitude after one day in a classroom.

Not enough $$$ fro me to spend a day in a HS classrrom. From what I hear the parents are the biggest problem...usually they are suing the teachers...and all their little darlings are victims.

This type behavior is why teachers give up, IMO.

16 posted on 01/30/2011 4:18:36 AM PST by lonestar
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Your comments about how "educators might recognize chaos in the classroom as a lucrative source of income" is off base and shows just how ignorant you are. Teachers don't get the ticket money.

I'm a public school teacher in Texas. I get offended when my students-- 6th graders, mind you-- use language. They say sh/t, f&&k, d&%k, c%$k, bi%$h, and so on. It's not an every day occurrence, but when it happens, I write it up. It offends me-- at school or here at FR. [I notice that "pu$$y" was very popular here. It offended me. Still does.] Teachers get to be offended. You would be.

The student may or may not get a citation. Someone else, not me, the teacher, decides whether to give that citation. Someone else-- the judge-- decides whether there's a fine or community service or a warning.

Know what you're talking about before you shoot your mouth off.

17 posted on 01/30/2011 4:52:01 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Venturer

Well, if you can’t see a “black girl” getting a ticket for bad language, then you need to come into the real world. It happens all the time. If there’s a citation, then mama has to to stand in front of the judge and take a lecture. Mama don’ like that. You’d be amazed how effective it is in shutting down the language.


18 posted on 01/30/2011 4:54:56 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou
Know what you're talking about before you shoot your mouth off.

Here endeth Clara Lou's lesson in manners.

Do you express these same feelings, in the same manner, to your teacher's union?

19 posted on 01/30/2011 4:59:34 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
LOL! Foul language shouldn't offend teachers, but you are offended by "shoot your mouth off"!! Hypocrite!!

I note that you did not respond to the meat of my comments-- because you would have to acknowledge your ignorance.

In the furtherance of correcting your ignorance, you should know that there are no teachers unions in Texas. Are there any other "misconceptions" that I need to correct for you?

20 posted on 01/30/2011 5:16:46 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I wonder about things like this.

I know someone who was riding their bicycle, making a left turn at a corner, staying on the right side of the street, and a car came from behind, cut off the cyclist to make a right turn and the cyclist locked up their brakes to avoid t-boning the car while the occupants of the car laughed their head off at the bikers expression.

The cyclist immediately screamed WATCH WHERE THE F- YOU’RE GOING, YOU STUPID A-H-!!

And the cyclist rode off. Fortunately, a Ploce officer was Right Behind the car that cut off the cyclist.

The cop followed that car into the parking lot off the quickie mart, told them to remain until he got back, then went to get the cyclist.

The cop then told the cyclist that in order to give the car a ticket for driving to endanger and failure to grant right of way, he would have to...ARREST THE CYCLIST FOR SWEARING in public!

True story, the cyclist didnt want to get arrested, so the moron who ran him off the road and almost struck him was allowed to go free, because the cop said it was a greater crime to swear in public than it was to place someone’s life in danger.


21 posted on 01/30/2011 5:21:58 AM PST by RaceBannon (RON PAUL: THE PARTY OF TRUTHERS, TRAITORS AND UFO CHASERS!!!)
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To: lonestar

I’m a teacher in Texas and lonestar is right - much of the time the parents act as sophists to excuse their child’s behavior.

Some other points in this case: 1) it is part of the law in Texas that students can be ticketed for bad language. My gut tells me that there is more to the story with this student than a four letter outburst. The kind of language indicated in the article is not what normally gets the student a ticket. 2) If there was instruction going on during this class then the students would not have had time for this altercation. Too many in my profession just don’t get it that the kids tend to stay out of trouble when you are actually doing something with them. Of course, knowing your subject helps too, but that’s another long discussion, isn’t it???


22 posted on 01/30/2011 5:33:40 AM PST by Darth Trumpetus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

$637 fine for cussing? Frankly, at that point in my life, I’d have told the judge to go (obscenity) himself. I’d take the jail time.


23 posted on 01/30/2011 5:38:46 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Clara Lou
CL you seem rather angry an insensitive toward CW. As you claim to be a teacher I find it rather worrisome. It's fine you point out facts, however it's ridiculous you think CW doesn't have a point. Which was the intention of CW's comments. We all know this is unbelievably unfair and quite frankly, disturbing!

Hauling a child before a judge where the judge can impose a $637.00 fine for using some offhanded word is ludicrous. It's not a CRIMINAL act to swear, but applying an outrageous fine to a child, makes it one and sends a very wrong, convoluted signal!

Punish the child alright in an appropriate manner. Here's a novel idea, teach the children manners!

24 posted on 01/30/2011 5:59:33 AM PST by sirchtruth (Freedom is not free)
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To: null and void

Show this to Danny?


25 posted on 01/30/2011 5:59:45 AM PST by Shimmer1 (Think. It isn't illegal yet.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Lots of idiots in this story.

“......The complaint said Lene was offended,”

You are in the wrong job, you delicate flower.

“Mullins acknowledges she was wrong, but said a classmate was getting on her nerves.”

Hey, it’s her fault I said something. She was annoying me, so I didn’t have a choice but to say something to her.


26 posted on 01/30/2011 6:00:14 AM PST by webstersII
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I’d also add another $50 to the little thugette’s fine for poor grammar.


27 posted on 01/30/2011 6:02:36 AM PST by Clioman
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To: melsec

So when a teacher loses his or her cool and swears to the kids, that will result in a $637.00 fine as well? I mean you need to get exactly what you ask for these days.


28 posted on 01/30/2011 6:10:17 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Gene Eric; Cincinatus' Wife

Here is Dallas, a 10 year old student, that gets into a “play ground” fight, was fined $500 and a two day suspension. Kids are not allowed to have “normal” reactions they must act as if they know all rules and are adults before they are children. A few educators would be helped if they studied the work of Piaget instead of the crap taught in the political correct schools of teacher colleges.


29 posted on 01/30/2011 6:14:44 AM PST by q_an_a (a)
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To: AlexW
A few well directed swats on the a** and a half hour with a bar of lifebuoy in her mouth would certainly shut her up.
30 posted on 01/30/2011 6:14:55 AM PST by Plumberman27
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To: Darth Trumpetus
knowing your subject helps too

But football coaches have to teach something! LOL!

Actually, one of the best HS teachers I had was the head basketball coach who taught World History...and our team won state.

I was a soph and still remember his "lesson" on swearing. He said if you use a four letter word to insult somebody and they understand it, they aren't as insulted as if you use a four or five syllable word that they don't understand. "Call them a procrastinator...they won't know what that means and will be highly insulted."

31 posted on 01/30/2011 6:22:12 AM PST by lonestar
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To: cva66snipe
it is simply another revenue generation scam

"Revenge generation".

Funny, accurate...brilliant.

32 posted on 01/30/2011 6:29:35 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Pretty amazing to see the demographic shift in the last 20+ years at this school.

33 posted on 01/30/2011 6:41:23 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Amazing how some 'teachers' would deem this $637 'word-fine' as fair, yet some I know are jumping up and down kicking and screaming over possibly having to pay a measly $15/week towards their own health care, especially after never having pay anything in all previous years.

A simple detention would have been more than adequate, even for a white girl.
34 posted on 01/30/2011 7:00:44 AM PST by trailz
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To: Clara Lou

In my state, fines such as this go into the general fund.

The general fund finances the state school system.

70 years ago, my school administrators would look for any violation that could result in a fine that would go to the general fund and report it to the cops.

Not student violations, but violations by the public on or near school property.


35 posted on 01/30/2011 7:06:35 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Clara Lou

I’m offended....yout Ticket is in the mail...


36 posted on 01/30/2011 7:14:13 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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Back in my day that would have sent to Art Balbini The Auto Shop teacher for a couple of good swacks with the Oak paddle.
37 posted on 01/30/2011 7:37:52 AM PST by troy McClure
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To: RaceBannon

In your recanting of the story about the bicyclist, the dangerous driver and the cop, I believe many details are missing. I would be willing to bet that the cyclist used the same cuss words when talking with the cop and displayed an attitude. For, even if he had not heard the biker mouth off he did see the driver operate his vehicle in a manner dangerous to the public (not just that one particular biker). It would have been necessary to actually have been there to make a true judgment.


38 posted on 01/30/2011 7:47:33 AM PST by Tomato lover (Jesus is Lord of all)
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To: lonestar

Perhaps in the suburbs the parents are the biggest problem. Not so in the city. Do you realize some high school students have been convicted of felonies, e.g., armed robbery, carjacking, and they’re wearing ankle bracelets? They are disrupting the classroom, turning over desks, and assaulting the teachers.

Do you realize there is an initiative coming out of the Obama administration to even out the discipline among the ethnic groups? If whites have a 5% expulsion rate then blacks cannot have a higher rate.

Just wait till they start applying that principle to incarceration rates.


39 posted on 01/30/2011 7:54:25 AM PST by ladyjane
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Good Lord...she got in trouble because the teacher was “offended.” Not because it was crude, vulgar, demeaning, foul-mouthed and uncivilized behavior. No, because somebody was offended. This seems to be the only thing that people under the leftist/marxist spell worry about. What a pitiful sign of the times.


40 posted on 01/30/2011 8:09:24 AM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Clara Lou

I’m really torn about this issue. I know that when a suspect curses at a police officer he cannot be arrested or cited for this offense.
The reason is that the law is designed to deal with language that causes others to respond in a way which breaches the peace.
Police officers are not allowed to lose their cool as a result of bad language.
I’m not sure teachers are allowed to either which makes me think this a a bad charge legally. Just my thoughts as a lawyer.


41 posted on 01/30/2011 8:11:06 AM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: sirchtruth
I think you must be CW's FR buddy.

If you read, you'll note that I didn't say whether it was appropriate or inappropriate to give citations. I write a referral that says, "So and so said 'f%ck' during class." I have NO SAY as to whether a student just gets a phone call home or whether they get in-school suspension or whether they get a citation. NONE. Is anyone here suggesting that a teacher just overlook the use of obscene/profane language?

I seem insensitive to CW? CW has posted several inaccuracies as fact. CW has suggested, with no knowledge whatsoever, that I am a teacher's union member. The entirety of CW's post was supposition rather than fact. As a matter of fact, I am a monthly donor at this website, and have been for years. Would it make sense for a union member to support this site? I am tired of hardworking teachers who do their very best to teach kids what they need to know being cast as socialists/communists/pro-GLBT types. I'm tired of know-nothings spouting their rants as factual. I'm sick of being bad-mouthed. I'm sick of some people at this website behaving exactly like their counterparts on the Left.

42 posted on 01/30/2011 8:43:18 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: lonestar

“Call them a procrastinator...they won’t know what that means and will be highly insulted.”


Had a PE teacher in my junior/senior year, Mr. Hastings, who was also a history teacher that use to hand out little nuggets of wisdom like this too. I’m 57, he is long gone, but I still remember him with respect.


43 posted on 01/30/2011 8:45:53 AM PST by 23 Everest (A gun in hand is better than a cop on the phone & easier to carry.)
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To: Clump
"As a lawyer," you may be right. I have no idea. That's not my purview.

I'm afraid I don't quite understand. You're "not sure teachers are allowed to either"? To do what? Do you mean "lose their cool"? Are you suggesting that teachers should accept inappropriate language? How is it "losing cool" to fill out a form that reports inappropriate behavior? I remind you that inappropriate behavior must be reported. I remind you that the teacher reporting (at least in my Texas school district) has no say in what consequences are dispensed. Principals and judges (if there's a citation) do that.

[Just so you know-- my kids rarely use profanity. I, personally, have never written a referral for profanity. Obscenity is far more common. ]

44 posted on 01/30/2011 8:51:54 AM PST by Clara Lou
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To: Clara Lou

I think you are doing your job. I just question the wisdom in making profanity a criminal justice issue.
I personally think a paddle to the backside is in order for cursing at a teacher.
That’s because the issue is respect, which is something kids need to learn.
If they don’t learn it there is a justice system waiting for them when they do something serious down the road.


45 posted on 01/30/2011 9:00:10 AM PST by Clump (the tree of liberty is withering like a stricken fig tree)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Let me play devil’s advocate for a second: the main reason for the ticket was that the teacher was offended. How many times does a teacher get offended if a student questions book material, for example. During a recent honors history class, my son “offended” the teacher when he questioned the premise that Americans “victimized” the Japanese by using Atomic Bombs. Son’s point of view was using the bombs saved at least a million American lives. My point is this: ticketing a student for “offending” a teacher could very easily go down a path restricting freedom of speech very easily. IMHO.


46 posted on 01/30/2011 9:06:51 AM PST by momtothree
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To: cva66snipe
I'd dish out some extra assignments {research} and a week of after school suspension.

Looks like the school agreed with you, 'cuz that's how this ended up.

The girl has an extra assignment (doing research to find a job, then the extra assignment, waitressing) and finally she has a regular after school 'suspension', having to show up for work.

All in all, this has the potential to be far more productive than anything that could have happened inside the walls of the school.

47 posted on 01/30/2011 9:08:32 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: momtothree

Well, that might be the case if it was only a single incident of swearing in class, but in some schools the discipline is so lacking that some of the kids actually take control of the class by swearing and saying gross things in class that offend everyone. For instance when they ask to go to the restroom, they describe everything that they plan to do in the restroom and then start an argument if if the teacher tries to censor their speech.


48 posted on 01/30/2011 9:21:20 AM PST by Eva
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
The sole purpose of government schools is to generate paychecks for teachers union members, who in turn pay dues to the union, which in turn contributes generously to Democrat election campaigns.

There is no other purpose.

49 posted on 01/30/2011 9:30:17 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun." -- Barry Soetoro, June 11, 2008)
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To: Eva

I agree that discipline is key to a successful school. Were the parents notified? Was the student expected to do a detention first? My point is that some liberals can use this philosophy for other things other than cussing. What my son’s high school is seeing are student’s challenging liberal views openly. The kid’s are questioning global warming in science, anti-American sentiment in history, anti-God sentiment in science etc... What frightens me is the concept that this can be very easily used to control/maintain indoctrination of liberal views without question.


50 posted on 01/30/2011 9:30:38 AM PST by momtothree
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