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Zero tolerance 'insane madness' in Virginia
WorldNetDaily ^ | January 30, 2011 | Brian Fitzpatrick

Posted on 01/30/2011 4:48:40 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Spotsylvania, Va., high school freshman Andrew Mikel has been suspended for the school year and has been placed in a "diversion program" by police for blowing soft plastic pellets through a pen at three classmates.

"I am currently working with the Rutherford Institute, fighting the insane madness of our local school administration and board," wrote the boy's father, also named Andrew Mikel, to WND.

"In early December, my son shot what amounts to a spitwad. They classified the spit wad as a weapon, expelled my son from school the rest of the year, filed assault charges on him with the sheriff's department, mandated that he take 'substance-abuse counseling' and 'anger-management counseling' and must do 24 hours of community service."

Originally suspended for 10 days after the Dec. 10 incident, Andrew later was suspended for the balance of the school year following a Dec. 21 hearing before the Spotsylvania County school board. His criminal charges will be expunged if he completes the diversion program for first-time offenders.

"The school board feels that they gave the child and his father a fair hearing and handled the situation appropriately," said Mark Cole, a Spotsylvania delegate to the Virginia general assembly. He intervened with the school board and sheriff's department on the boy's behalf. "They said that if the child hit someone in the eye it could have damaged their eye. They suspended the child for the rest of the school year, which I think is excessive."

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"We were able to present our side, that the punishment doesn't fit the student code of conduct," said Mikel's legal counsel, Andrew Flusche. "In my opinion they have shoehorned in this definition of weapon that triggers harsher punishment."

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: andrewmikel; governmentschools; spotsylvania; zerotolerance

1 posted on 01/30/2011 4:48:49 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Holy Cow, life is just not worth living without spit wads!


2 posted on 01/30/2011 4:52:33 PM PST by DaxtonBrown (HARRY: Money Mob & Influence (See my Expose on Reid on amazon.com written by me!))
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Uh oh....my husband taught the grandson how to do spitwads through a straw when he was 2 years old.....


3 posted on 01/30/2011 4:53:53 PM PST by goodnesswins (Socialism is organized stupidity. 2nd thought...I think DEMOCRATS are Organized Stupidity.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Next they’ll be expelling them for farting citing “unauthorized release of noxious fumes”


4 posted on 01/30/2011 4:56:07 PM PST by Stormdog (A rifle transforms one from subject to Citizen)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Hell, I would have been locked up for life as a threat to all mankind under such insanely stupid rules as that. Insanity has a new name. Education.


5 posted on 01/30/2011 4:56:16 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Field stripped:
6 posted on 01/30/2011 4:57:08 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: saganite

Education has a new name. Insanity.


7 posted on 01/30/2011 4:57:36 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

It works either way.


8 posted on 01/30/2011 5:00:34 PM PST by saganite (What happens to taglines? Is there a termination date?)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

What’s next!? Butter patties against the ceiling?


9 posted on 01/30/2011 5:00:34 PM PST by albie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This ranks with “having sex with animals” as an indication of when someone or something has hit rock bottom. In this case, it’s the public school system. They can only go up from here.


10 posted on 01/30/2011 5:01:17 PM PST by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
legislation banning spitwads in the works
11 posted on 01/30/2011 5:05:54 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
mandated that he take 'substance-abuse counseling'

Sounds like he may have inhaled through the same pen.

12 posted on 01/30/2011 5:08:33 PM PST by palmer (Cooperating with Obama = helping him extend the depression and implement socialism.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Last night I had to run out to Lowe's. While driving with the radio on, “Convoy” started playing. My 19 year old son is not impressed that his mom knows the words. (Shaking head, “You are so gay. You are gayer than any parents I know. Nobody has a gayer mother than I do.” I didn't tell him I thought the song was gay in my youth.)

But I digress. :-) I decided last night it was the original domestic terrorist song and soon will be outlawed by Big Sis & the Gang. So sing it while you can.

http://www.lyricsfreak.com/c/cw+mccall/convoy_20026575.html

13 posted on 01/30/2011 5:12:18 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Stormdog; All
Next they’ll be expelling them for farting citing “unauthorized release of noxious fumes”

In the late 1930's, the chemistry lab on the third floor of my high school emitted enough H2S that we thought everyone in the school was farting.

The most potent weapon we had in HS was the rubber band. You could fire spitwads or paper clips very accurately with an innocuous rubber band. Guess by today's rules, I would have spent all my time in diversion. Or jail.

14 posted on 01/30/2011 5:15:20 PM PST by Ole Okie
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

In Oklahoma a 1st Grader was suspended for forming his hand into the shape of a gun and pretending to shoot it...

I kid you not.


15 posted on 01/30/2011 5:19:04 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

This kind of madness has terrible consequences. My son is in the Army with a guy who cannot get security clearance because of a felonious assault. Sounds terrible right? Well the assault was a water balloon!


16 posted on 01/30/2011 5:21:13 PM PST by panthermom
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To: albie

Whoa! That’ll get ya 7 to 10!


17 posted on 01/30/2011 5:24:41 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

If only there were spitwad control.


18 posted on 01/30/2011 5:25:42 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: DaxtonBrown

Life would be worth living without stupid public school administrators. All the parents at this school should be up in arms about this. If it can happen to this kid, it can happen to any kid. This kid is now homeschooling. He’s much better off. Guess what? Public schools aren’t worth the grief they put their students through or the money they extort in the form of taxes from the general public.

School administrators are just looking after themselves. It’s about them, not the students.

Did this story say four different government agencies are involved in this? What a waste of taxpayers’ money. Some kid blows some fluff through a tube and it’s time to call Homeland Security. The cops should be embarrassed. Everyone involved should be embarrassed. They look like jerks.

What the public schools are going to find out very fast is that they are becoming obsolete. With today’s technology, students really don’t need them anymore, and more parents are now open to different educational venues, and my bet is they are certainly not going to jeopardize their kids’ futures by sending them to PC, “let me cover my ass even if it hurts this kid” public schools.

Screw ‘em. They’re obsolete and dangerous to kids’ futures and well being. Screw ‘em.


19 posted on 01/30/2011 5:26:10 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: goodnesswins
"...my husband taught the grandson how to do spitwads through a straw when he was 2 years old....."

Your husband was a grandfather when he was two?!?!?

20 posted on 01/30/2011 5:27:42 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Joe 6-pack

HA


21 posted on 01/30/2011 5:33:05 PM PST by goodnesswins (Socialism is organized stupidity. 2nd thought...I think DEMOCRATS are Organized Stupidity.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
What do they do to a boy for getting a girl pregnant.?...
Emasculate him?.. before they kill the baby?..
22 posted on 01/30/2011 5:40:11 PM PST by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole....)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

Your poor wife.At least you didn’t say you laughed at her in front of your child. Did it make you feel better to tell us all how you and your son feel about her and a song she enjoys? Has anyone ever asked you, “Do you have to tell everything you know”?


23 posted on 01/30/2011 5:41:41 PM PST by 1raider1
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To: goodnesswins

Geez. My brother would probably be serving a life sentence in a state penitentary. Years ago we were at a family restaurant, mom and dad sitting across from each other in a booth and 4 kids were on either side of them. Bro shot a big juicy extra-spitty spitball at me when my head was turned but I saw it out of the corner of my eye and jerked my head back sideways. We were laughing but he froze. I turned and looked behind me. An elderly woman had a fork of food suspended in midair halfway up to her mouth.

The spitball was stuck on a lens of her eyeglasses.

Those school admins should be jailed. They are taking all the fun out of childhood.


24 posted on 01/30/2011 5:44:20 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: 1raider1

So many so-called “educators” are embarrassments to thinking humanity. I have “zero tolerance” for their kind.


25 posted on 01/30/2011 5:45:42 PM PST by hal ogen (1st amendment or reeducation camp?)
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To: Ole Okie

In high school chemistry, the guys on the back row would heat up nickles using the bunsen burner and toss them in the hallways when they were full of students changing classes. Good times...


26 posted on 01/30/2011 5:46:41 PM PST by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

They shouldn’t be jailed. They should just be ignored. Obliviated from the educational landscape. They aren’t needed anymore. They are obsolete, but still dangerous (this newest incident proves that). And let me say again — they aren’t needed anymore. Bye Bye. Go away. There are other educational venues. Through technology, we can choose who teaches our children. Parents can decide on the curriculum. There are several choices — traditional, progressive, classical, whatever the parents feel is best for their children. We can access the most brilliant minds on the face of the earth through technology. We don’t need unionized flunky teachers or butt kissing administrators who are more concerned with their pensions than the kids they are supposed to serve (but don’t) — it’s game changer time.


27 posted on 01/30/2011 6:04:02 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Actually this doesn’t surprise me at all coming from George Orwells Virginia.

Back in the 80’s I was expelled from a school in Va.

It was a few days after New Years and sold a friend some leftover fire crackers.

The charge “unauthorized transportation, sale and delivery of explosives to a minor”

Thankfully there were some grownups on the school board that reduced it to 3 days suspension.

Next year proved as bad.

After washing and waxing my car, a rag had snagged the windshield washer sprayer nozzle and turned it sideways.
Later while cruising the Va Beach strip found myself completely surrounded by cops, GUNS DRAWN, dragged out of the car to the pavement, handcuffed, and arrested for assaulting a police officer with a “deadly windshield wiper sprayer” after the sprayer had inadvertly sprayed a coop on the sidewalk.
I could go on with other incidents as well.

Needless to say I have nothing good to say about the state.


28 posted on 01/30/2011 6:04:22 PM PST by diverteach (If I find liberals in heaven after my death.....I WILL BE PISSED!!!)
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To: 1raider1

Lighten up Francis, I am the wife. He was calling me gay and we were joking around, having fun.

I guess you don’t want to hear about the time we fell on the floor laughing when my oldest son (now 33) complained that we did not have any left handed knives; or when my youngest son asked if he needed to peel the egg before he boiled it (he was 12).

Better yet, you might not want to know how my sisters, brother and I laugh our asses off to this day remembering when we and the rest of the crowd thought something had died while walking back to the car after the lighting of the Rich’s Christmas Tree (1968). Turned out Grandma farted.

She would have gotten away with it had she not had that guilty smile on her face. To this day someone will always say “Hey! Do you remember when Grandma farted near the railroad tracks?”

We have more fun laughing at ourselves because we do not take some things too seriously.


29 posted on 01/30/2011 6:07:49 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
"In early December, my son shot what amounts to a spitwad. They classified the spit wad as a weapon, expelled my son from school the rest of the year, filed assault charges on him with the sheriff's department, mandated that he take 'substance-abuse counseling' and 'anger-management counseling' and must do 24 hours of community service."

Warning: Parents BEWARE!

If you institutionalize your child in a prison-like government "school" ( really indoctrination center) he may come home with a lifetime record as a felon for shooting soft plastic pellets!

Question: Is the free babysitting worth it?

30 posted on 01/30/2011 6:21:09 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

OMG! Now it’s pea-shooters! Next it will be spit wads. Then...it will be mommy and daddy’s guns taken away from the thought police.

Glad I bought a new S&W 9mm at Cabela’s yesterday. I might have to use it against “gun grabbers” very soon.


31 posted on 01/30/2011 6:32:01 PM PST by DH (The Second Amendment is the only protection for the First Amendment)
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To: wintertime

No. But you never hear other parents complain about this type of treatment if their kid is not involved. They’re happy it didn’t happen to their kid, and they keep their mouths shut, hoping for the best, and dreading the worst — “Oh please God, let my kid get through the next how many years of this absolute insanity without getting a felony record for blowing styrofoam pellets through a straw or taking a real gun (not a “finger” gun or a picture of a gun, but a real gun), and blasting the whole administrative office staff including the superintendent of this nut house into oblivion.”

It’s not worth walking on eggs for 12 years for a crappy public school education. There are better options.


32 posted on 01/30/2011 6:48:21 PM PST by goldi (')
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To: goldi
Did this story say four different government agencies are involved in this? What a waste of taxpayers’ money. Some kid blows some fluff through a tube and it’s time to call Homeland Security. The cops should be embarrassed. Everyone involved should be embarrassed. They look like jerks.

I have *NO* confidence that these men and women at these 4 government agencies will uphold their oath to defend the Constitution against *domestic* enemies. They will **willingly** attempt to collect our guns and line us up for the cattle cars.

I am reminded of Elian Gonzoles. The day after the raid the SWAT and support personel held a picnic to celebrate.

33 posted on 01/30/2011 7:41:20 PM PST by wintertime (Good ideas win! Why? Because people are not stupid!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks; All

Need to fire at least 75% of all school admin and school boards in this country.

People who complain about teachers and their unions are missing the real problem in schools: The people running them. These are the same people who help teachers unions do what they do....along with idiot stuff they do to students that we keep reading about on FR.

Fire School Admin and school boards....you will never fix the schools until these people are fired


34 posted on 01/30/2011 9:47:08 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Michelle Bachmann would make an excellent President)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I’m gonna have to share this story with my son who shoots spitballs at classmates who are smacking. He shoots the spitball at/into their mouths. He doesn’t miss either. He REALLY hates to hear smacking! Or see people talking with their mouths full. We have told son that his “talents” are going to get him in trouble if he doesn’t watch out. Crazy world we live in!


35 posted on 01/30/2011 10:01:10 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Cowgirl of Justice

Thanks for sharing your spitwad story. Hilarious!


36 posted on 01/30/2011 10:04:32 PM PST by petitfour (Are you a Dead Fish American?)
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights
You are so gay.

Don't you love what's happened to that word?

The faggots pressed it on polite [politically correct] society as a replacement for queer. But allow a generation or two for the human language instinct to to work, and voila!, gay now means queer! LOL!

37 posted on 01/30/2011 10:21:59 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: cynwoody

Gives “The Gay ‘90’s” a whole new meaning. :-)


38 posted on 01/30/2011 10:28:06 PM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

unreal ..


39 posted on 01/30/2011 11:09:32 PM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Wow! Throwing an eraser would probably bring a death sentence.


40 posted on 01/30/2011 11:12:06 PM PST by upsdriver (to undo the damage the "intellectual elites" have done. . . . . Sarah Palin for President!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Believe it or not I support the school district for their actions.

I have substituted in middle school classrooms with boys that shoot spitwads and folded paper with rubber bands and, let me tell you, from personal experience it is NOT fun. It really IS dangerous. I’ve had them fly by my face within inches of my eyes. It is impossible to teach the lesson with this going on and don’t even think about turning your back to get something or write on the board. They leave a mess around the room on the floor and counters. And the worst part is these little jerks are hard to catch because they’re firing from a room of 25 kids and you don’t always see where it comes from. They hide their pen and rubber bands in their pockets and lie to you when you confront them. And when I do catch one of them I am LIVID and have to contain myself not to scream at them.

Not a good situation.

So I don’t have a problem with these little sh@#$ getting suspended, especially when they’ve been previously warned.


41 posted on 01/31/2011 12:22:33 AM PST by dupree
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To: dupree
You can fully blame you and your handlers (NEA, liberals, PC police, man haters, and a whole host of those who think a good paddling does not improve one’s attitude) for the situation you find yourself in.

Way back, when both male and female teachers would “rip your ass off” with a paddle right there in the classroom, we were very careful not to shoot these “dangerous” weapons at the teacher because if he/she found out who did it, certain pain “attitude adjustment” would surely follow as sure as the sun rise in the morning.

Now, thanks to you and everyone else in the teaching profession who coddle our little rascals (and I was one) they are not afraid of you and now you reap the rewards of being sensitive, caring, politically correct, diverse and supportive of the entire agenda of our school system that has the goal of indoctrination instead of education and discipline.

The next time one of those little “cherubs” shoots you with a paper clip or wad, just think back in the 50’s and 60’s you could actually do something about it and teach the culprit that bad behavior begets pain.

42 posted on 01/31/2011 5:13:41 AM PST by DH (The Second Amendment is the only protection for the First Amendment)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Here is a short story written, I believe, by the boy and published in a local paper: The Necklace.

There's very little in the actual news about this story, which is pretty local for me, just down I-95 a bit.

43 posted on 01/31/2011 6:25:50 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

That may have been written by his father, also named Andrew Mikel.

His father, assuming I’ve got the same guy, and I’m guessing yes because it would explain the WND connection and getting the Rutherford institute involved, is active in the Tea Party movement. His name appears on a lawsuit regarding a petition drive last year where a candidate he backed was rejected.

So this could be a bit of retaliation (the severity of the punishment). The problem is that the behavior was clearly inappropriate and deserving of punishment. Once you cross that line, your arguments become a lot more difficult.

I’ve been trying to find a better explanation of the projectiles. They sound to me like AirSoft pellets, and a picture I saw of them LOOKED like AirSoft pellets, but another description sounded like they were NOT, (too foamy and flimsy).

As a kid, we show rolled-up paper with rubber bands, sometimes with paper clips embedded — they would put holes in the suspended ceilings if you used multiple rubber bands. We deserved to be punished, but that was a different time. (Some just shot the paper clips, which was just cruel).

When I went to a summer job, the guys would shoot 10-gauge solid copper shielded wire with rubber bands, until they put a dent in a cabinet and punched a hole in an overhead light fixture cover one day.

Anyway, I prefer to use “zero-tolerance” stories when there was no real violation of any rules, because it’s easier to argue the point — with a story like this, a significant number of people will relate to being shot like this, and not be persuaded that punishment was wrong.


44 posted on 01/31/2011 6:36:39 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks
This may be an article from the guy's father:

VOring by the book

45 posted on 01/31/2011 6:37:58 AM PST by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Nice!


46 posted on 01/31/2011 6:48:41 AM PST by the_devils_advocate_666
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

“spit wads” This was not a spit wad. I don’t believe in zero tolerance, but to try and equate this to a simple spit ball is unbelievable.

The 10 day OSS should have been a suitable punishment, detention? NO WAY! This offense was definitely worth more than a visit to a classroom to sleep.

If we’re going to write articles that mean something, let’s be fair, not one sided.


47 posted on 02/01/2011 5:17:45 PM PST by Candace12
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