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Bloomberg sending undercover cops to investigate gun shows... in Arizona?
washingtonexaminer.com ^ | 31 January, 2011 | Mark Hemingway

Posted on 01/31/2011 5:40:10 PM PST by marktwain

New York City Mayor Michael Bloomberg may prefer "No Labels" but in his case, I think "gun grabber" is a pretty fitting one. As part of his misguided crusade to tighten up gun laws nationally, The New York Times reports that Hizzoner sent undercover cops to gun shows in Arizona and found they were violating the law:

In two instances, the New York undercover officers specifically said before buying a gun, “I probably couldn’t pass a background check,” but were still sold guns, city officials said.

In a third case, an investigator bought a Glock pistol and two high-capacity magazines like the ones used in the Tucson shooting. Such purchases were made without any background check but were perfectly legal.

Mr. Bloomberg’s office, which will release details of the undercover investigation on Monday, has for years pushed for tighter firearms laws. Since the Tucson shooting, Mr. Bloomberg has enlisted in his effort Daniel Hernandez, an intern in the office of Representative Gabrielle Giffords of Arizona. The congresswoman was the most seriously wounded, and Mr. Hernandez held her until emergency personnel arrived.

While some shady things might have occurred at the gun show and the authorities should be made aware of the problem, I can't help but find New York's investigation very unseemly. Aside from gun shows in Arizona, you know where you can readily buy a illegal firearms without a background check? The streets of New York.

Bloomberg should probably keep his undercover officers dedicated to preventing crime in his own city, where the homicide rate is markedly higher than the state of Arizona.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; US: Arizona; US: New York
KEYWORDS: arizona; az; banglist; bloomberg; giffords; gunshow; newyork; ny
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It sounds as if Mayor Bloomberg's agents violated federal law, but it doesn't sound as if the Arizona gun sellers violated any law.

Private sales are perfectly legal in Arizona, and that is the way we intend to keep them.

The concept that the government could or should only “allow” certain people to have guns stands the very concept of American jurisprudence on its head. It presumes that the government knows all, controls all, and should be doing so. It is wrong and ineffective.

It is crazy to set up a huge expensive bureaucratic system, require everyone to jump though hoops and prove that they are *not* criminals in order to try, ineffectively, to prevent the few individuals who are not responsible, from having legal access to guns.

This is a failed paradigm, and it should be abandoned. To accept the idea that the all gun sales should be monitored by the government, and only allowed to those it deems satisfactory is fundamentally wrong.

The entire idea of the enterprise has always been the death of a thousand cuts, where the restrictions on who can buy, and where, and how and what are continually increased until the number of gun owners is reduced to political insignificance.

1 posted on 01/31/2011 5:40:21 PM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

Very well said.


2 posted on 01/31/2011 5:43:11 PM PST by yarddog
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To: marktwain

Let me see, I should believe anything NY undercover cops say, why? They are just tools of Bloomberg and he has a history of discredited actions and statements that push his agenda.


3 posted on 01/31/2011 5:47:05 PM PST by falcon99
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To: marktwain
Wow, nice to see that New York has the funds to burn.
4 posted on 01/31/2011 5:47:14 PM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: marktwain

Why dosen’t BATF go after the “undercover” clowns that broke
or attmpted to break the laws? NO GUTS that’s why!


5 posted on 01/31/2011 5:52:27 PM PST by TaMoDee
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To: marktwain

Perhaps Gov. Brewer should send a team of investigators to NYC to uncover the truth behind Bloomberg`s rather eager willingness to host that mosque near Ground Zero. The country would like to know what arrangements have been made, i.e. what kinds of business deals have been agreed to, etc.

So, watch your step, Bloomie. This sh*t can go both ways.


6 posted on 01/31/2011 5:52:38 PM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: marktwain

Maybe he should concentrate on New York! He and his kind want to propagate their ideas beyond their jurisdiction. For this, he should be ashamed for his anti-Constitutional efforts. He really does have much more work to be done at home...


7 posted on 01/31/2011 5:53:22 PM PST by Deagle (t)
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To: marktwain
The good people of Arizona know more about how to clear the streets of snow than Premier Bloomberg. I'd love it if some of these retailers posted signs reminding the czar mayor to plow the snow in his own city.
8 posted on 01/31/2011 5:53:59 PM PST by pnh102 (Regarding liberalism, always attribute to malice what you think can be explained by stupidity. - Me)
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To: marktwain

They said that they “probably” wouldn’t pass which I’m sure that would have, so were any laws broken???


9 posted on 01/31/2011 5:55:31 PM PST by phockthis
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To: ladyvet

“Wow, nice to see that New York has the funds to burn.”

I had that same thought. If I was a NYC resident, I’d be PO’d that the city gov’t spent travel and per diem money for this provocation of a soverign state.


10 posted on 01/31/2011 5:56:15 PM PST by 2nd Bn, 11th Mar (The "p" in Democrat stands for patriotism.)
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To: marktwain

Maybe he’ll run as a Statist next election.


11 posted on 01/31/2011 5:59:48 PM PST by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been redistributed. Here's your Change.)
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To: marktwain

That is one big nose you have there, Bloomy.


12 posted on 01/31/2011 6:02:55 PM PST by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi ... Godspeed .. Monthly Donor Onboard .. Obama: Epic Fail or Bust!!!)
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To: marktwain
In two instances, the New York undercover officers specifically said before buying a gun, “I probably couldn’t pass a background check,” but were still sold guns, city officials said.

In a third case, an investigator bought a Glock pistol and two high-capacity magazines like the ones used in the Tucson shooting. Such purchases were made without any background check but were perfectly legal.

Federal law prohibits purchasing firearms across state lines without going thru an FFL. It appears the NYer's violated federal law.

13 posted on 01/31/2011 6:05:33 PM PST by umgud
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To: marktwain
It goes without saying, Mike Bloomberg is a rich, power hungry communist and is not fit for public office in this country anywhere. Under his leadership it (quasi) comes to state against state? Hypothetically; NY against AZ, AZ would win because they have the guns!
14 posted on 01/31/2011 6:05:45 PM PST by drypowder
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To: marktwain

I’m sure Bloomy’s house is absolutely pristine. Otherwise he wouldn’t have time to look into another house.

The commie should mind his own business and clean his own house.


15 posted on 01/31/2011 6:08:26 PM PST by davetex (All my weapons got melted by a meteor!! No Sh*t)
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To: marktwain

Who the heck does he think he is going to another state and sticking his nose in their business.

Like New York doesn’t have enough crime to keep his people busy?

The a-hole is looking to run for President, and this is his way of establishung himself. SOB.


16 posted on 01/31/2011 6:10:25 PM PST by Venturer
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To: marktwain

Major redirection of blame going on here. Lil Fester didn’t buy his weapon at a gun show. He bought it at a sporting goods store and he had the proper credentials cause the dipstick Sheriff kept cuttin him loose.

Crossroads has it clearly posted as you enter their shows- “NO CAMERAS ALLOWED”.


17 posted on 01/31/2011 6:11:03 PM PST by Old Flat Toad (Pima County, home of the single vehicle accident with 40 victims.)
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To: marktwain
Guns are one thing but what really has Bloomberg ticked is that Chefs in AZ have salt in their kitchens.
18 posted on 01/31/2011 6:13:32 PM PST by JPG (Work for conservative change like your country depended on it.)
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To: marktwain

How exactly can hizzoner prove that the “buyers” made the comments about not being able to pass a background check he claims they made? We should take his word for this? Really? Why?


19 posted on 01/31/2011 6:15:43 PM PST by muir_redwoods (Obama. Chauncey Gardiner without the homburg.)
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To: umgud

It may be time for a RICO investigation.


20 posted on 01/31/2011 6:42:19 PM PST by allblues
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To: marktwain
Bloomberg tried this same crap in Virginia and got put on notice that if his agents were caught then they would be prosecuted for entrapment.

Va. Tells NYC to Stop Gun Stings

21 posted on 01/31/2011 6:43:12 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: phockthis

You don’t have to have a background check in several states if you buy from an individual. The seller broke no law,but I believe the out of state buyers did.


22 posted on 01/31/2011 6:47:54 PM PST by WePledge (Semper Fidelis)
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To: marktwain

What is the legality of The mayor of NYC using New Yorker’s tax dollars for fishing expeditions in AZ?


23 posted on 01/31/2011 6:51:20 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: marktwain

Does the New York City charter allow such action by the Mayor?


24 posted on 01/31/2011 6:53:01 PM PST by bvw
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To: marktwain

The NYPD LEO’s were acting outside of their lawful authority, in violation of their department policy and likely several laws.

Bloomer can’t give his cops a commission to work as a cop, undercover or otherwise, for the state of Arizona.

Bloomer knows this, so I can’t help but wonder if he got the Feds to approve this, just to cover his rear.... or (put on your tinfoil hat), did all this happen at the behest of Obama’s people.

Bottom line... I think there is much more to this slimy event.


25 posted on 01/31/2011 6:53:19 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: marktwain

The NYPD LEO’s were acting outside of their lawful authority, in violation of their department policy and likely several laws.

Bloomer can’t give his cops a commission to work as a cop, undercover or otherwise, for the state of Arizona.

Bloomer knows this, so I can’t help but wonder if he got the Feds to approve this, just to cover his rear.... or (put on your tinfoil hat), did all this happen at the behest of Obama’s people.

Bottom line... I think there is much more to this slimy event.


26 posted on 01/31/2011 6:53:33 PM PST by Gator113 (I'm voting for Sarah Palin, Liberty, our Constitution and American Exceptionalism.)
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To: marktwain
FUNY

27 posted on 01/31/2011 6:54:33 PM PST by I see my hands (_8(|)
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To: umgud

I wonder if the undercovers had forged AZ ID. Were tape recordings made of these legal transactions? How many people did they approach before someone sold them a gun? I’m wondering a lot of things about this. Mostly, what gives Bloomberg the right?

We’ve sold guns privately at gun shows in the past and always ask if the person is a felon and to see an AZ drivers license. If there is any hint that there’s something weird about the person, we don’t sell to that person. We are under no obligation to ask, but figure if anything happens and it comes back on us, we can say we practiced due diligence.


28 posted on 01/31/2011 6:57:00 PM PST by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: marktwain

This country seems to have an abundance of power-mad dwarves running loose...


29 posted on 01/31/2011 7:00:23 PM PST by who knows what evil? (G-d saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: marktwain

Gee how much did that cost? Airline tickets, hotels, rental cars, food, entertainment, gun purchases, etc.
Who paid those bills?


30 posted on 01/31/2011 7:02:43 PM PST by conservativesister
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To: WePledge
You don’t have to have a background check in several states if you buy from an individual. The seller broke no law,but I believe the out of state buyers did.

Actually, I believe almost all states have private sales with no NICS, except for Marxist hellholes like CA and the PRNJ. This is kind of a gray area. Even as a private seller, you're not supposed to sell to someone you have reason to think is disqualified. But....since gun people know Bloomingidiot is doing these "stings", is being told the buyer might not pass NICS even "reason to believe" anymore? It's just as likely to be one of his morons, as in this case.

31 posted on 01/31/2011 7:03:07 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: marktwain

Private sales are legal in Washington state also.

But I believe it is still a class C felony under state law to knowingly and willingly sell a weapon to anyone if you have any reason to believe that person may not lawfully possess a firearm.

I suspect the Arizona statutes say much the same thing.


32 posted on 01/31/2011 7:04:16 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: Still Thinking; marktwain

Ax Revised statutes:

Title 13, Sec 3102, Cl 4

A. A person commits misconduct involving weapons by knowingly:...
5. Selling or transferring a deadly weapon to a prohibited possessor; or

Misconduct involving weapons under subsection A, paragraph 1, subdivision (a) of this section or subsection A, paragraph 5, 6 or 7 of this section is a class 6 felony.


33 posted on 01/31/2011 7:17:16 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: djf

Errata: SB Arizona Revised Statutes


34 posted on 01/31/2011 7:18:19 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: All

In other words:

Mayor Bloomberg and his goons CONSPIRED to provoke a person in Arizona to commit a felony!!

Put that one in your pipe and smike it!!


35 posted on 01/31/2011 7:21:22 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: marktwain

Bust Bloomberg - Fishing without a License.


36 posted on 01/31/2011 7:22:19 PM PST by whatexit
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To: WePledge

that’s my point!!!

And if they tried anything, I’m sure that me and my 3 witness’ would be forced to tell that they lied about being a resident of Arizona...


37 posted on 01/31/2011 7:28:30 PM PST by phockthis
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To: djf

Right, but in conducting these stings, Bloomie has shot himself in his little size 8 statist foot. Since his henchmen are known to go around in other states buying weapons while falsely telling the sellers they probably couldn’t pass NICS, he’s diluted the usefulness of the statement. Some sellers might argue the statement is no longer “reason to believe” the buyer is disqualified, since these guys say it when it’s not true, for a person who IS disqualified, it wouldn’t be in their best interests to say so.


38 posted on 01/31/2011 7:28:54 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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Really; certainly explains their deficit. There is a reason why we haven’t had a president from NY in more than half a century (despite being one of the larger states in terms of electoral votes); most Americans know better than to trust people from this part of the country.


39 posted on 01/31/2011 7:34:14 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: Still Thinking

Well, if I were Blooms counsel I’d be telling him to zip his lips so tight a crowbar couldn’t open them.

Conspiring to commit a felony in any state is itself an indictable offense.

An irritated prosecutor and a Grand Jury in Arizona could RIGHT NOW pass down an indictment. And that means Bloom and his goons could very quickly end up in cuffs on a plane to Phoenix!


40 posted on 01/31/2011 7:35:56 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

This happened years ago when NY was trying to monitor NY residents shopping in NJ malls (due to lower sales tax); there was simply no way for them to do so, but they made clear their intention to try. NYC especially is the best thing for NJ retailers and gas stations.


41 posted on 01/31/2011 7:36:56 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: djf

I’d LOVE to see Bloomie in pink undies eating bologna sandwiches at Sheriff Joe’s while he awaits trial!


42 posted on 01/31/2011 7:40:29 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Venturer

He is a dope, and has no business involving himself in this, but nobody would seriously consider him for president. Remember how poorly Rudy Giuliani, “America’s Mayor”, did in the primaries? I don’t think he won any delegates; what plays well in the Northeast is a disaster just about anywhere else in the country. Anyone running against him, in a primary or general election, needs only to use their publicity shots marching in gay parades to cost them 30+ states. With this jerk in particular, you could use his overturning the term limits law in NYC to convince people he would try the same as president: a commissar-for-life, so to speak. His war on saturated fats would cost him at least 45 states.


43 posted on 01/31/2011 7:43:41 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: TigersEye

It has the same basis in English Common Law as his overturning of the term limits in NYC: He wanted to.


44 posted on 01/31/2011 7:45:40 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: kearnyirish2

And he’d lose three more for the salt!


45 posted on 01/31/2011 7:48:42 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Still Thinking

In the past NYC’s tyranny was NJ’s gain; now, NJ simply follows in their footsteps (higher sales tax, smoking bans).


46 posted on 01/31/2011 7:52:33 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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It's clear what kind of President he would want to be.
Another Executive Order dicktater.
47 posted on 01/31/2011 7:53:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: djf
An irritated prosecutor and a Grand Jury in Arizona could RIGHT NOW pass down an indictment. And that means Bloom and his goons could very quickly end up in cuffs on a plane to Phoenix!

That would be such a beautiful thing! It's about time elected officials were held to that same standard that the rest of us would be.

48 posted on 01/31/2011 8:00:39 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: TigersEye

Any time his name is mentioned in the same sentence as “president” just means it is a slow news day; Hosni Mubarak will be our president before this joke even runs for the office.


49 posted on 01/31/2011 8:07:38 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: TigersEye

Actually, they should be held to a far HIGHER standard. We all have jobs and don’t leech off the productivity of others.


50 posted on 01/31/2011 8:10:21 PM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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