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Plastic pellet incident at Va. school ends in expulsion, assault charges
Washington Postf ^ | February 2, 2011 | Kevin Sieff

Posted on 02/02/2011 5:07:09 AM PST by Second Amendment First

Andrew Mikel II admits it was a stupid thing to do. In December, bored and craving attention, the 14-year-old used a plastic tube to blow small plastic pellets at fellow students in Spotsylvania High School. In one lunch period, he scored three hits.

"They flinched. They looked annoyed," Mikel said.

The school district saw it as more than a childish prank. School officials expelled him for possession and use of a weapon, and they called a deputy sheriff to the scene, said Mikel and his father, Andrew Mikel Sr.

The younger Mikel, a freshman, said he was charged with three counts of misdemeanor assault. The case was first reported by the Web site WorldNetDaily.

Spotsylvania school officials declined to comment on the incident, citing student confidentiality rules. But documents that the school produced when Mikel's father filed a Freedom of Information Act request show internal division over the matter.

The federal Gun-Free Schools Act mandates that schools expel students who take weapons, including hand guns, explosive devices and projectile weapons, to school. E-mail traffic among school officials showed they ruled that Mikel's plastic tube, which was fashioned from a pen casing, met the definition of a projectile weapon because it was "used to intimidate, threaten or harm others."

School officials in some e-mails referred to the plastic casing as a "metal tube." The plastic pellets were called "B-Bs."

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TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: banglist; discipline; gunfreeschoolsact; highschool; publicschools; zerotolerance
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Thank God I attended school in the 50's and 60's instead of today, or they would have have me in prison now. I remember using straws from the cafeteria to shoot spit balls at other students, as well as teachers. Study halls were the worst because I was so bored. I'd memorize the assignments in a few minutes and spend the rest of the hour goofing off.
1 posted on 02/02/2011 5:07:15 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Half the kids from my era would have criminal records for shooting spit wads through Bic pens.


2 posted on 02/02/2011 5:11:33 AM PST by stayathomemom (Beware of cat attacks while typing!)
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To: Second Amendment First

You got that right! We would be locked up as terrorists today.


3 posted on 02/02/2011 5:11:54 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

And who are the idiots implementing these stupid rules? Typically boomers, the worst generation ever in this nation.


4 posted on 02/02/2011 5:14:30 AM PST by GlockThe Vote (Who needs Al Queda to worry about when we have Obama?)
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To: stayathomemom

Pea shooters fight it out for world championships

http://bit.ly/3MVvu


5 posted on 02/02/2011 5:14:44 AM PST by greenhornet68
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To: Second Amendment First

Heavy rubber band as a crossbow—index finger and thumb, tightly folded piece of notebook paper. Now that was a weapon. They would call the FBI on me today; it’s an IED!


6 posted on 02/02/2011 5:14:54 AM PST by Matt Hatter
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; stayathomemom; Second Amendment First

All of you just took the words out of my mouth.
I can not add anything, hahaha


7 posted on 02/02/2011 5:15:48 AM PST by AlexW
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To: stayathomemom

I would have been imprisoned as a terrorist.

I invented the spit-wad CANNON. Take your BIC pen, tape over the hole on the side. Obtain a piece of wire about 9 inches long, place it inside the tube, and bend it into an L (for a handle).

Take spitwad, insert and pack at bottom of tube using the wire. Get another spitwad, and using the wire - ram it while pointing it. The air inside the tube will compress, shooting the first spitwad a considerable distance, and your ramming spitwad will be the next projectile.

Makes a little ‘pop’ when fired. Very fun and entertaining.


8 posted on 02/02/2011 5:17:35 AM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Second Amendment First

The correct term is Pea Shooter . The plastic spheres are ideal for a pea shooter but maybe too small for best use in a typical soda straw hence the use of a smaller diameter pen tube.

I’ll be forced to do a test. My lawn is littered with the small green spheres fire by “the boys” who seem to have semiautomatic repeaters with which they have wars.


9 posted on 02/02/2011 5:18:50 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Matt Hatter

Oh yea, we had the HEAVY rubber bands. Paper clips were sometimes used as projectiles, but never at people, just metal wastebaskets.


10 posted on 02/02/2011 5:19:03 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

And we all carried pocket knives.


11 posted on 02/02/2011 5:19:54 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

The “air conditioning” in our old school study hall was the huge windows without screens on them that they would open up on warm days. The study hall had two floors of classes directly below it. I can’t tell you how many times bored kids would light a firecracker and throw it out the window when the teacher on duty wasn’t looking to buzz things up a bit.

I would imagine that would be a life sentence today....


12 posted on 02/02/2011 5:19:58 AM PST by macquire
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To: stayathomemom
Spit wads and Bic pens were my first thoughts as well.

Dang, more and more, I wish we could go back in time to when we weren't so scared of our shadows......and lawsuits!

13 posted on 02/02/2011 5:22:19 AM PST by CAluvdubya (Don't retreat...reload!.....and no, I'm not changing my tagline! Pray for Sarah and her family)
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To: bert

Thanks, I had forgotten the term “pea shooter”.


14 posted on 02/02/2011 5:23:14 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: stayathomemom
Half the kids from my era would have criminal records for shooting spit wads through Bic pens.

Right, and you had to hold you finger over the side hole for better pressure.

One of the after school detention activities was going through the classrooms and removing all the paper wads stuck on the ceilings and walls.

We seemed to survive OK.

15 posted on 02/02/2011 5:23:23 AM PST by FatherofFive (Islam is evil and must be eradicated)
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To: Second Amendment First

My whole class would be in jail.
We were especially criminal as we threw erasers, made spitballs, rolled water filled rubbers down the hall, why we even had snowball fights when it snowed.We were even known to sneak a smoke behind the gym.It wasn’t too unusual to hear a firecracker go off down the hall.

Three counts of misdemeanor assault. Give me a break, Any good principla would have solved this without it leaving the school with a phone call to Mom and dad.


16 posted on 02/02/2011 5:23:58 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Second Amendment First
"And we all carried pocket knives."

Indeed we did! I even remember when I used to carry one everyday to the office and to court with me. We also played wit mercury on our desks...which, come to think of it, may explain why some of my generation mates think a kid with a pea shooter should be expelled from school....

17 posted on 02/02/2011 5:24:07 AM PST by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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To: Second Amendment First

It’s the Feds fomenting the whole problem (let me guess, it’s a string attached to Fed, meaning tax payer, funds) into a much bigger deal than it needed to be. Can’t paddle or spank egregiously misbehaving students, can’t even sit them in a corner with a dunce cap on.


18 posted on 02/02/2011 5:25:39 AM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: Second Amendment First

Dear England, we are now thee.


19 posted on 02/02/2011 5:26:46 AM PST by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Second Amendment First

A few counties away from this story, I attended high school in the 70s. A teacher wanted to borrow a shotgun for deer season opener and a student brought him one in class the next day. We all had shotguns in our cars. And, there were no problems.


20 posted on 02/02/2011 5:27:03 AM PST by eartrumpet
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To: Second Amendment First

21 posted on 02/02/2011 5:28:18 AM PST by JoeProBono (A closed mouth gathers no feet - Visualize)
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To: stayathomemom

“shooting spit wads through Bic pens.”

Blast from the past!


22 posted on 02/02/2011 5:28:34 AM PST by Rebelbase
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To: macquire

We used to have the rows of tall windows with pull blinds that had long heavy cords on them. We would tie all of them into nooses. A whole long line of nooses hanging there. Can you imagine the outcry that would happen today if a student did that?


23 posted on 02/02/2011 5:30:26 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: Second Amendment First

Had to, can’t play mumblety peg without a knife! I always had a fair sized bag of marbles in my pocket too.


24 posted on 02/02/2011 5:30:53 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: Second Amendment First
"The B-1 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, dropped 40 percent of the bombs in the first six months of Enduring Freedom. The B-2 bomber, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered air strikes against the Taliban in Afghanistan and Hussein's command post in Iraq. The F-14A Tomcats, that Senator Kerry opposed, shot down Khadafi's Libyan MIGs over the Gulf of Sidra. The modernized F-14D, that Senator Kerry opposed, delivered missile strikes against Tora Bora. The Apache helicopter, that Senator Kerry opposed, took out those Republican Guard tanks in Kuwait in the Gulf War. The F-15 Eagles, that Senator Kerry opposed, flew cover over our Nation's Capital and this very city after 9/11. I could go on and on and on: against the Patriot Missile that shot down Saddam Hussein's scud missiles over Israel; against the Aegis air-defense cruiser; against the Strategic Defense Initiative; against the Trident missile; against, against, against. This is the man who wants to be the Commander in Chief of the U.S. Armed Forces? U.S. forces armed with what? Spitballs?"
-former Governor Zell Miller at the 2004 Republican National Convention

Obviously the Leftists don't even want us using spitballs or plastic pellets. Their war is to emasculate men and render them impotent.
25 posted on 02/02/2011 5:31:02 AM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Second Amendment First
The Pea Shooter Scandal!
26 posted on 02/02/2011 5:32:30 AM PST by Bushbacker1 (I miss President Bush greatly! Palin in 2012! 2012 - The End Of An Error! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Second Amendment First
I remember using straws from the cafeteria to shoot spit balls at other students

Ha, that was my first thought as well. Back in the day it was nothing to park your truck in the school parking lot, leave the windows down, have a shotgun in the headache rack and ammo rolling around in the floorboard. You could also have a knife in your boot and a can of Skoal in your back pocket and no one would have ever thought to say a thing about it. This current PC bs is doing nothing but raising little wimps who are afraid of their shadows. How things have changed in such a short time. Imagine a Red Dawn happening in America these days...

27 posted on 02/02/2011 5:32:38 AM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: Venturer

Three counts of misdemeanor assault. Give me a break, Any good principla would have solved this without it leaving the school with a phone call to Mom and dad.

Not to mention the student being sent to see “Coach” who had a paddle with holes in it, while the phone call was being made.


28 posted on 02/02/2011 5:34:14 AM PST by wita
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To: Matt Hatter
tightly folded piece of notebook paper

I used to use folded paper clips as the projetile. Stings like hell and leaves a mark.

29 posted on 02/02/2011 5:35:37 AM PST by Bloody Sam Roberts (Tyrants flourish only when they achieve a standing army, an enslaved press, and a disarmed populace.)
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To: stayathomemom

You won’t think it’s so funny when these gustapo type NAZI Obama voters come for your guns and put you in a re-education camp.

They’re just learning how to beat the system with the kids.


30 posted on 02/02/2011 5:37:28 AM PST by politicianslie (A taxpayer voting for Obama is like a chicken voting for Colonel Sanders)
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To: wita

I remember “coach”, as well as the assistant principal. Punishment was swift and simple, didn’t involve lawyers, journalist or cops.


31 posted on 02/02/2011 5:38:10 AM PST by Second Amendment First
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To: GlockThe Vote
Typically boomers, the worst generation ever in this nation.
Next time you're in DC stop by and tell these guys how screwed up they were.
You ignorant f*ck.

32 posted on 02/02/2011 5:39:36 AM PST by oh8eleven (RVN '67-'68)
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To: stayathomemom

These days spit wads would have you in federal prison for biological warfare if you were sick.


33 posted on 02/02/2011 5:40:06 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Second Amendment First

Back in the “olden” days I was trying to get a spit wad to stick to a blackboard while the nun had her back to the class. She did a quick turn on me (they had eyes in the back of their heads)and I caught her in the middle of her habit.
No calling the police at my school, hell it would have been a blessing. Got the crap kicked out of me on the spot by one angry penguin.


34 posted on 02/02/2011 5:40:39 AM PST by Recon Dad ( Those are my principles, and if you don't like them... well, I have others.” \)
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To: Matt Hatter
Heavy rubber band as a crossbow

Ruler, heavy rubber band (or multiple regular ones braided) and a pencil. A ruler even has a built-in channel to guide the projectile. We built some admittedly pretty dangerous devices in class.

35 posted on 02/02/2011 5:43:49 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: Matt Hatter

We did the same thing only we used halved paper clips.
That would be a death penalty offence today. On second thought the weenies today don’t use the death penalty so I would be OK.


36 posted on 02/02/2011 5:46:22 AM PST by certrtwngnut
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To: Hodar

So you invented that. I always wondered who invented it. That was pretty popular when I was a kid. (Younger kid than I am now) (Growing old is mandatory-Growing up is optional)


37 posted on 02/02/2011 5:46:39 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: GlockThe Vote

Yep the majority of the boomers were focused on themselves and ignoring what they the leftists were doing to our country.


38 posted on 02/02/2011 5:50:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Matt Hatter

Wooden match, head removed, needle at one end and tiny cross fins in the other. They’d stick in the ceiling every time and have to remove with a broom.


39 posted on 02/02/2011 5:50:50 AM PST by Portcall24
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To: Hodar

I remember the spitball cannons. But I’m afraid to say anymore. The Jack booted Government thugs might try to take my diploma away retroactively. (just to be safe that was sarcasm} It’s a sad day when the common folk has to fear the government and their thug agencies more than terrorists. That being said, the terrorists have got what they wanted.


40 posted on 02/02/2011 5:56:01 AM PST by RIGHTWING WACKO FROM MASS. (Better to have and not need than to need and not have...my theory on gun control)
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To: Second Amendment First

Yeah, I did the same thing using those large jumbo paper clips with big rubber bands. I became very proficient in my accuracy. I could hit light standards on the freeway while going sixty mph. (No, I wasn’t driving.) We also shot at those metal wastebaskets. When struck it made quite a clang.


41 posted on 02/02/2011 5:56:55 AM PST by donaldo
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To: eartrumpet

The whole point of “demoralizing” a society is so that the people cannot possibly be self-ruled,

but must have masters on high to do it for them.


42 posted on 02/02/2011 6:01:40 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my about page. Click my handle.)
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To: wita

We did have corporal punishment back in those days, and it was used.


43 posted on 02/02/2011 6:02:33 AM PST by Venturer
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To: JoeProBono

I have two of those, not quite a pea shooter but a heck of alot more distance and accuracy.


44 posted on 02/02/2011 6:03:10 AM PST by sniper63 (Did you plug the hole in the border yet daddy........)
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To: Second Amendment First

Amen, the difference was the school staff, not bowing to PC. You go to school, you live by their rules, otherwise Sayonara.


45 posted on 02/02/2011 6:04:24 AM PST by wita
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To: Jack Hydrazine
Their [Leftist's] war is to emasculate men and render them impotent.

Bingo! The schools systems have become thoroughly feminized after a generation of female domination of teacher unions and school administrations. The diminishing numbers of males in classroom and administrative positions are now forced to leave any semblance of manhood at home in order to survive or to advance in this surreal system.

Gone are all reasonable concepts of individuality and acceptable risk necessary for young people to grow into productive Citizens; instead, all are equally conditioned into obedient Drones to serve the state. Those who don't "fit" this new mold are treated as enemies of the state and forever tagged with criminal records. In this emasculated, zero-risk society, many people actually see all of this as good. Unfortunately, so do our less-Utopian enemies.

46 posted on 02/02/2011 6:05:42 AM PST by Always A Marine
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To: Second Amendment First; stayathomemom; SWAMPSNIPER; Matt Hatter; AlexW; Hodar; bert; macquire; ...
This board is monitored by TSA, FBI, Homeland Security and The Fun Police.

You have all admited to heinous crimes against humanity, and are now placed on terrorist watch list. It matters not the you broke laws ex post facto, in the days of pc it is most important to label all criminals.

47 posted on 02/02/2011 6:08:12 AM PST by mountn man (The pleasure you get from life, is equal to the attitude you put into it.)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Personally, I blame feminism. The NAGs are not going to stop until we’re all girls - even the men.


48 posted on 02/02/2011 6:09:21 AM PST by Little Ray (The Gods of the Copybook Heading, with terror and slaughter return!)
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To: Venturer

Sometimes just the intimidation factor was sufficient, unless you were one of the ones who saw “Coach” on a regular basis, and everyone in school new who “they” were.


49 posted on 02/02/2011 6:09:48 AM PST by wita
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To: All

It’s always fun till someone gets an eye put out.[sarcasm]


50 posted on 02/02/2011 6:12:52 AM PST by ThomasSawyer (Democratic Underground: Proof that anyone can figure out how to use a computer.)
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