Skip to comments.City Council Readies New Smoking Ban
Posted on 02/02/2011 1:29:37 PM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
Attention Times Square denizens and those out for a stroll in Central Park: It will soon be time to put out your smokes forever.
The New York City Council is slated Wednesday afternoon to approve a ban on smoking in parks, beaches, marinas, boardwalks and pedestrian plazas like Times Square. The legislation marks the most ambitious expansion of the citys antismoking laws since Mayor Michael Bloomberg convinced the city lawmakers to approve a ban on smoking in indoor workplaces and park playgrounds in 2003.
When this legislation is passed, all New Yorkers will be able to enjoy a walk in the park or a day at the beach without having to inhale secondhand smoke, said Speaker Christine Quinn when she and the mayor unveiled the proposed legislation in September. This bill will save lives and make New York City a healthier place to live.
Studies have shown that outdoor tobacco smoke levels can be as high as secondhand smoke levels indoors and there is no risk-free level of exposure to secondhand smoke, Quinn and officials in the mayors health department have argued. But opponents of the legislation have accused the mayor and the council of infringing on their rights and have disputed the level of risk associated with secondhand smoke.
City Councilman Peter Vallone Jr. proposed compromise legislation that would carve out areas of parks and beaches where people could smoke. But his legislation appeared unlikely to win the day.
It still has a lot of support, Vallone said. Im disappointed leadership chose to move the original bill and not my compromise.
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Nanny State PING!
And wait until they totally take away your soda and snacks and fries and force feed us fish pills and kelp.
Where CAN you smoke then? Really.
Straining at gnats and swallowing camels, Scribes, Pharisees, Hypocrites! Then these governmental clowns wonder why they are becoming increasingly hated. They worry about smoking outside and their City and State are going bankrupt.
Bloomers is a Crony-capitalist, nebbish, poor little rich boy, self hating jew, tiny buttwipe of a man...the only reason he is probably not a fag (the jury is still out) is that he has the greatest aphrodisiac of all time, billions of dollars....he decries the 2nd amendment, but whines about how the enemys first amendment rights to worship are being usurped....even though Islam is NOT a religion but a murder cult.. © Vaquero 2010-2011
These prople are insane.
Yeah, Bloomy for President!!! God help us if that happens. In fact, I'm a little leery of Guilanni because he basically put the billionaire dictator into office.
Just like Nazi Germany!
**Where CAN you smoke then? Really.**
NYC DOES have a proper smoking area... it’s called ...
Hell, the 18th Amendment worked so well. Didn’t it?
And then New York will whine and cry about the lost revenue....they will never get it.
Except, of course, if you're a smoker...
However, public sex by faggots and dykes will be considered "Personal Freedom", and protected from prosecution.
The CITY will...the lowest-level footsoldier in the Mafia will be vacationing on the Riviera from the smuggling profits.
I have walked past members of certain religious/ethnic groups on the streets of New York whose strong odor made my eyes water. A whiff of cigarette smoke would have been much more desirable.
**New York will whine and cry about the lost revenue**
OH WELL... the gasoline used to go to the reservations for my cigs plus the cost of the Indian Cigarettes... still saving about $35 per carton ...
Liberalism provides the exact Opposite of their stated intentions.
I call BS
I don’t really care if people smoke tobacco, alfalfa or huff on a tail pipe for 10 minutes every hour or so, you get the same amount of carbon monoxide. As long as they deny them medical insurance then I am fine with it as long as they don’t smoke near me.
64% of our heart surgery patients smoke vs 21% of the population. We have had about a 50% drop in heart procedures in the past 2 decades which coincides almost perfectly with the drop in smokers from 42% to 21%. I can not find any strong statistical relationship between cholesterol and/or statins with the decline in heart procedures, but the change in smoking habits is a very good predictor of having a heart surgeon in your future.
So if you smoke, fine, I just don’t want to personally pay higher premiums because you and the junkies in Central Park need a carbon monoxide fix followed by a half million dollars of medical care.
Not bad, Vaquero. See if you can boil it down to a bumpersticker and I’ll buy one when I go thru NYC. My suitcase is 36 inches long so you’ve some room to work. About 72 pt. type works for me.
Th idiots who choose to live in NYC - and yes, it IS a choice, just like voting for the mayor and council there is a choice - get what they deserve. Fagettaboudit.
Oh that would NEVER happen here.
Congress was trying to pass a bill making it illegal to send tobacco through the mail, I supposed to prevent sales and shipment by the indians. Did that ever go thru?
But when this goes into effect a lot of people will be surprised and po'ed. Too late.
Smokers ALREADY pay higher premiums, by far, than the general public.
While I don't dispute that smoking is a risk factor in many health issues, I would like to see the study that you got your figures from.
The figures are from a presentation I am making to the National Heart Lung and Blood Institute this April. I previously used these figures in an invited presentation to the American Heart Association this past year as well as in New Zealand and Australia and other medical societies in the USA.
There are so many billions of dollars being made by Lipitor, Crestor, etc., the data supporting changes in smoking habits being responsible for the drop in heart procedures and cancer is not popular. The data speaks for itself. Just Google changes in smoking habits in the USA and you will get several hundred thousand hits in a fraction of a second. It is hardly a secret.
If you pay $10000/year for health insurance for 30 years, you paid $300,000 in premiums, a couple of hundred thousand less than the cost of your medical care. Who do you think picks up the slack, Jesus? It is the non-smoker and taxpayer.
Lies, damn lies, and statistics.
Figures/data never, "speak for themselves".
As for smokers using more medical money than people who don't smoke, I believe there was a study done by a government in Europe that showed smokers, as a whole, put more money into health care than they took out.
Who died and appointed you King?
Just so you know cigar smokers have a higher life expectancy than those who do not smoke cigars.
Check out this picture from the Old Metropolitan Opera House:
The guy in the back right corner is smoking a cigar. It is a civilized thing to do. Only the unenlightened would ban it.
Because they die 12 years younger? The Chinese government encourages smoking because they ask, “what would we do with all these old people?”.
Basically you need to follow the money. I do not get any money from Pfizer or other statin manufacturers. I do research to prevent brain injury during cardiac and orthopedic surgery. Two out of three of my cardiac patients smoke. Only one out of 5 of the US populations smoke.
I don’t believe these data are very difficult to understand. They are not really statistics, just demographics. 66% is bigger than 20% - that would be arithmetic. Unless you are biased, then there is no difference.
You present credentials that are unverifiable and make assertions presented as fact. For every crappy "study" you can present, there's a countervailing one.
The smoker and taxpayer pays more than his or her fair share for what's been become the modern form of indulgences paid to the new secular religion of Government.
Freedom is messy; it scares you.
Next on your list is "the obesity epidemic", right?
Who do you think picks up the slack, Jesus?
It is the skinny people and the taxpayer.
My disgust got the better of my manners, forgot to include you again.
Many people make choices that might shorten their life spans.
Drinking alchohol in excess
Do you really want to take away a choice that someone makes on the CHANCE that it MIGHT shorten their life span?
Do you see my point?
Then let's deny medical insurance to skiers.
Follow the money? Do you really want to go there?
NO, I absolutely do not want someone denying me from participating in the sports and activities that may shorten my life. But then again I am willing to accept the personal responsibility that goes with those choices.
For example, if I get stranded on a hillside in Alaska, I don’t expect the local taxpayer to have to foot the bill for my rescue. If you want to ski in an avalanche area more power to you, but why should the locals have to foot the bill for finding you and the other unfortunate bystanders you wipe out because you are irresponsible.
Freedom is not free nor is personal responsibility. I do not want to pay for your bad habits and their consequences. But more power to you if you are willing to accept the outcome of your behavior.
And since you have already all but admitted that smokers pay more into the health care system than they take out of it, what’s your beef?
Being an Ex New Yorker living in Nevada now.. I remember a time where TRUE New Yorkers would have told Bloomberg where to stick it, and flat out ignore his “law”
Now New yorkers are afraid of everything.
My beef is watching people, like my father, die a miserable death while suffering greatly - on a daily basis, all due to tobacco.
And by the by, the only thing you have given me so far is anecdotal.
The mask and false pretense of protecting non smokers from passive smoking is off. They are not even pretending any more.
This is a gubmint social engineering experiment to denormalize smoking and coerce smokers to quit by making their life miserable.
They don’t need a “public health” argument. For example, you can’t walk down the street with an open beer or with assless chaps with your penis hanging out (unless you are in San Fran) But yet it’s the law.
It’s a lib attempt to change cultural norms.
Thanks for the ping!
So you wish to deny smokers any health insurance, whatsoever, due to your father dying from a smoking-related illness?
I am fine with higher insurance rates for smokers, and no taxpayer assistance, but I certainly wouldn’t want to deny them health insurance, period.
When New York City touted their first non-smoking establishment, breathing the air there was the equivalent of two packs a day.
At least until they cook the numbers, smokers will have the satisfaction of the people there still having all the problems they did before, with no cigarettes to blame it on.
So what are they going to do then? Blame upwind smokers upstate?