Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

No surprise: Gardasil as good against HPV in men as in women
Los Angeles Times ^ | 2/2/2011 | Thomas H. Maugh II

Posted on 02/03/2011 9:29:35 AM PST by jalisco555

To no one's surprise, a new clinical trial demonstrates that the human papilloma virus vaccine Gardasil is as good at protecting men as it is in protecting women, researchers reported Wednesday. A clinical trial in more than 4,000 boys and men demonstrated that the vaccine was more than 90% successful in preventing genital lesions caused by the four strains of HPV that the vaccine is active against, about the same level of protection demonstrated for women.

The vaccine is currently approved in the United States for both males and females over the age of 9, but current recommendations call for administration only to females. But the vaccine has been highly controversial, both because some view it as an implicit approval of sexual activity and because of its cost -- nearly $400 for a complete regimen of three doses. An estimated three-quarters of girls don't even start the regimen, and only about a third of those who do start it actually finish.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Front Page News
KEYWORDS: gardasil; hpv; vaccines
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last
More evidence for the utility of HPV vaccination. The cost is quite high, but HPV causes not only cervical and anal cancer but a large number of head and neck cancers as well. The American Academy of Pediatrics recently announced it is adding HPV vaccination to the recommended vaccines for boys.
1 posted on 02/03/2011 9:29:41 AM PST by jalisco555
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

not my boy!


2 posted on 02/03/2011 9:31:20 AM PST by acapesket
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555
Smooth move, pediatricians. Why not at the same time it was recommended for females?

Seems to me it takes two to tango when it has to do with STDs.

Glad they finally came around to grokking that fact.

3 posted on 02/03/2011 9:31:57 AM PST by caddie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

They’d be better off not screwing around.


4 posted on 02/03/2011 9:32:27 AM PST by Christian Engineer Mass (25ish Cambridge, MA grad student. Any potential conservative Christian FReepmail-FRiends out there?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: metmom

Ping!


5 posted on 02/03/2011 9:34:21 AM PST by Politicalmom (America-The Land of the Sheep, the Home of the Caved.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: acapesket

Yes, because your boy deserves to die of cancer if he sins.

(No, not really. But that is the ultimate logic of your decision.)


6 posted on 02/03/2011 9:35:54 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: caddie
Smooth move, pediatricians. Why not at the same time it was recommended for females? Seems to me it takes two to tango when it has to do with STDs. Glad they finally came around to grokking that fact.

Well, the original clinical trials were all in girls and young women since the aim was cervical cancer prevention. Plus, it's technically easier to study HPV infections in females. The trials in males came later. But, yeah, the AAP is a bit late here.

7 posted on 02/03/2011 9:36:32 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Christian Engineer Mass

“They’d be better off not screwing around.”

True, but seldom adhered to by teenage boys.


8 posted on 02/03/2011 9:37:06 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Christian Engineer Mass
They’d be better off not screwing around.

Well, in an ideal world, maybe. But the reality is that at least 80% of women (and presumably men) are infected with one or another type of genital HPV during their lifetimes, although most will clear the infection. So vaccination makes more sense than just hoping people suddenly start to behave.

9 posted on 02/03/2011 9:40:04 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

Or they could be Christians and be wisemen.


10 posted on 02/03/2011 9:41:13 AM PST by Beowulf9
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

Genital wart bump!


11 posted on 02/03/2011 9:43:56 AM PST by goseminoles
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

Okay, Okay, but, can’t you kind of deduce that guys, somewhere along the chain of events related to contagion, are just as responsible for transmission? And that they are in fact infected when they transmit it to the next female in line? I mean, come on.


12 posted on 02/03/2011 9:51:07 AM PST by caddie
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: acapesket

“not my boy!”

not my girl either! There are no long term studies of side effects etc on this vaccine. Not taking the chance on my daughter. HPV is not like smallpox or polio etc; you can take steps to prevent the spread of HPV!


13 posted on 02/03/2011 9:52:08 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: caddie

“Okay, Okay, but, can’t you kind of deduce that guys, somewhere along the chain of events related to contagion, are just as responsible for transmission? And that they are in fact infected when they transmit it to the next female in line? I mean, come on.”

Yes, you are right. But the FDA requires that efficacy be proven before the vaccine is approved for a given population. If it is not approved, insurance companies, Medicaid, etc. will not pay for it.


14 posted on 02/03/2011 9:57:57 AM PST by paterfamilias
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 12 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts
not my girl either! There are no long term studies of side effects etc on this vaccine. Not taking the chance on my daughter. HPV is not like smallpox or polio etc; you can take steps to prevent the spread of HPV!

There are only two groups of people at zero risk of being infected with HPV. They are people who have never had sex and people who have had sex with only one person who has only had sex with them. But as to the second group, can you be sure about your partner? I mean really sure? People lie about sex more than just about anything. To their partners, to their doctors and to themselves.

Remember, from the point of view of microbiology you don't just have sex with your partner. You have sex with everyone your partner has had sex with, and everyone they have had sex with...

And condoms are unreliable in preventing HPV.

I feel strongly about this because I diagnose HPV related pre-cancers every day and cancers far too often.

15 posted on 02/03/2011 9:58:42 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

As effective, meaning, not very effective at all?

Boys will die from the vaccine. Haven’t enough girls died yet?


16 posted on 02/03/2011 10:01:18 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TheThirdRuffian

Yeah, instead he deserves to die for getting a worthless vaccine.


17 posted on 02/03/2011 10:02:41 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 6 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts

” ‘not my boy!’

not my girl either! There are no long term studies of side effects etc on this vaccine. Not taking the chance on my daughter. HPV is not like smallpox or polio etc; you can take steps to prevent the spread of HPV!”

Interestingly, HPV is one of the STD’s that can be spread by skin-to-skin contact.

Even if a condom is used for the sexual act, external (penile-vulvar) skin contact - rubbing, for example - prior to intromission can transmit HPV. Since HPV is causative in vulvovaginal and penile cancers, the usual “precautions” may not be as effective as we would like.


18 posted on 02/03/2011 10:02:57 AM PST by paterfamilias
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

I feel strongly about this, because as a medical researcher the results are staggering.

Gardasil only protects against certain HPV strains, not all. It has serious complications associated with it’s use, up to and including research. There is plenty of documentation to verify this. And we haven’t even gotten into the long term consequences yet, because the vaccine hasn’t been tested in the long term.

The only time Gardasil is at all useful, is if someone chooses to have sex with someone else who is already infected. The use of the vaccine should not be required for a sexually transmitted disease. If people believe that they are at risk for HPV (ie, sexually active), then they should get the vaccine.

Otherwise, do not vaccine children. The risks just aren’t worth it.


19 posted on 02/03/2011 10:06:03 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi
Boys will die from the vaccine. Haven’t enough girls died yet?

No peer reviewed articles in the medical literature have shown vaccinated girls or boys at higher risk of serious injury or death compared to unvaccinated peers. If you know of one (I don't mean an anti-vaccination website I mean a scholarly medical article) I'd appreciate the reference.

20 posted on 02/03/2011 10:07:04 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts; jalisco555

I have a teenage daughter, and I’ve advised her to get the shot. Not because I think she will have sex. But because of the statistic that says by age 18, 25% of the women will have been abused.

I hope the 25% stat is overstated, but I know a lot of women who claim that they were raped when young, usually by a date. It may not be 25%, but it’s clearly a lot more than 0%.


21 posted on 02/03/2011 10:08:26 AM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: Mrs. B.S. Roberts; jalisco555

I have a teenage daughter, and I’ve advised her to get the shot. Not because I think she will have sex. But because of the statistic that says by age 18, 25% of the women will have been abused.

I hope the 25% stat is overstated, but I know a lot of women who claim that they were raped when young, usually by a date. It may not be 25%, but it’s clearly a lot more than 0%.


22 posted on 02/03/2011 10:08:35 AM PST by DannyTN
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 13 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi
The only time Gardasil is at all useful, is if someone chooses to have sex with someone else who is already infected. The use of the vaccine should not be required for a sexually transmitted disease. If people believe that they are at risk for HPV (ie, sexually active), then they should get the vaccine.

First of all, HPV infections are usually asymptomatic, so most people don't know they have them, except for those with visible genital warts. Second, 50% of women (and presumably men) are infected by one or another type of HPV within three years of becoming sexually active. If you wait until people become sexually active it may be too late. The ideal time to vaccinate is pre-teen.

23 posted on 02/03/2011 10:10:34 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 19 | View Replies]

To: DannyTN
The 25% stat includes all forms of molestations, not just rape.

When I was about 8 years old I sat next to an old pervert that grabbed my crotch. Although discussing, it was a long way from rape. However, I would still be included in that 25% stat.

24 posted on 02/03/2011 10:20:31 AM PST by kara37
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

Which is why those who are sexually active, symptomatic or no should get the vaccine.

Those who are not sexually active yet should not get the vaccine. They are 100 percent immune from getting HPV.

There are reports of young girls who have died from the vaccine. It’s just not worth inculating those who are not sexually active.


25 posted on 02/03/2011 10:29:28 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 23 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

I have been published before and I have written other reports at the request of public agencies.

I don’t have the time right now to provide you with the numbers, but I will do so later today. Have to head out the door.

Suffice to say around 18 girls and young women as last I wrote the report (about 2 years ago), had died from Gardasil. This number is likely higher today.


26 posted on 02/03/2011 10:31:42 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 20 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555; Lazamataz

Yo Laz! You can finally get rid of those warts!


27 posted on 02/03/2011 10:35:19 AM PST by DCBryan1 (FORGET the lawyers...first kill the "journalists". (Die Ritter der Kokosnuss))
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi
Those who are not sexually active yet should not get the vaccine.

I'm sorry but that's precisely when they should be vaccinated. In the real world how many people know precisely the day they will become sexually active?

There are reports of young girls who have died from the vaccine

Again, are these well-documented reports from the medical literature or scare stories from sloppy MSM reporters and anti-vaccination websites? If the former please give me a reference.

28 posted on 02/03/2011 10:36:36 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 25 | View Replies]

To: DCBryan1
Yo Laz! You can finally get rid of those warts!

Too late. Prophylactic, not therapeutic.

29 posted on 02/03/2011 10:38:03 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

“In the real world how many people know precisely the day they will become sexually active?”

Most people in the real world wait for marriage, or they get their partner tested.

As for the source, the data is from VEARS.


30 posted on 02/03/2011 10:41:34 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi

If your partner gets a clean bill of health from a typical STD test done by a clinic or primary care doc, it will not include HPV. You won’t know that your new spouse had it until oh, about 4-6 months later.

And then you’d better hope your spouse doesn’t stray and bring back something you’ll have to live with for the rest of your life. The sad fact is that half of marriages today end in divorce, and a large percentage of those involve infidelity.


31 posted on 02/03/2011 10:47:37 AM PST by Domalais
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: acapesket
this goes along with my theory..

..that medicating and mutilating young girls and women is acceptable because apparently their lives are not valued...

...birth control in grade school, vaccines,abortion without telling parents...

...yet mention something that will be done to the boys....OMG...no!

32 posted on 02/03/2011 10:50:25 AM PST by cherry
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

It looks like Merck has payed off someone else for their new wonder vaccine. This stunt was tried in Texas a couple years back.


33 posted on 02/03/2011 10:57:06 AM PST by Sarajevo (You're jealous because the voices only talk to me.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555
Frankly, I do not care what the AAP says. This isn't like a vaccine for measles, mumps or other contagious disease. This is a vaccine to facilitate the commission of sexual perversion.

Let's ask this. If a virgin male uninfected with HPV, only has sex with another virgin female ininfected with HPV, (within the bounds of Holy Matrimony) what are their respective risks of contracting HPV without the vaccine?

Contrary to what the libertines and hedonists tell us, it is NOT unrealistic to expect individuals to abstain from sexual intercourse until marriage, and to select mates who have made the same decision.

34 posted on 02/03/2011 11:08:35 AM PST by freedomwarrior998
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/vaccines/hpv/gardasil.html

cdc/
56 deaths
blood clots
Guillain-Barré Syndrome (GBS)
8% affected

35 posted on 02/03/2011 11:11:55 AM PST by freedommom
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Domalais

Considering that my future spouse is a nurse, I should think that we’d know how to properly test for STDs including HPV.

I already said I do medical research. Why do you persist in assuming that I’m one of the ‘typical sort’.

I realize you have a screed of infidelity and fear to perpetuate, but you are simply fearmongering. Yes, half of all marriages end in divorce, but not half of those who marry end up divorced.

And a significant margin of those who commit infidelity are men. So if I can keep my pants on, that’s a significant reduction.

I’m not going to get a vaccine just because I don’t trust my fiancee. I would simply not marry her unless I trusted here. But apparently I’m not in the real world of hookers and courtesans. Of casual shack ups and hookups.

And I suspect that world has far greater concerns than HPV.


36 posted on 02/03/2011 11:16:54 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 31 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi

You are simply naive.

My ex-wife, who was the first and only person I’ve ever been with sexually, infected me with HPV. It came from a man she had sex with while away at college.

I’m anxious to hear how this is all my fault. I’m sure you’ll let me know.


37 posted on 02/03/2011 11:22:40 AM PST by Domalais
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Domalais

Did you ask her to get tested before you slept with her?


38 posted on 02/03/2011 11:25:12 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 37 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi

You’re missing the point. We were already married.


39 posted on 02/03/2011 11:25:55 AM PST by Domalais
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: freedommom
From your link:

"As of September 30, 2010, there have been 56 U.S. reports of death among females who have received Gardasil. Thirty of these reports have been confirmed and 26 remain unconfirmed due to no identifiable patient information in the report such as a name and contact information to confirm the report. Confirmed reports are those that scientists have followed up on and have verified the claim. In the 30 reports confirmed, there was no unusual pattern or clustering to the deaths that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine."

In other words, women have received Gardasil and died some time afterward. Coincidence does not prove causality.

40 posted on 02/03/2011 11:29:21 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: freedommom
Again from your link:

All serious reports (8%) for Gardasil have been carefully analyzed by medical experts. Experts have not found a common medical pattern to the reports of serious adverse events reported for Gardasil that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.

Bolding is mine.

41 posted on 02/03/2011 11:32:35 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 35 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi

Is there an actual test for men for HPV?


42 posted on 02/03/2011 11:33:06 AM PST by headstamp 2 ("My Boss is a Jewish Carpenter")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: headstamp 2

There is no reliable test for HPV in men.


43 posted on 02/03/2011 11:34:20 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: Domalais

Ok, I believe I said the following.

Are you sexually active, or planning to become sexually active soon? Then you should get the HPV vaccine.

Are you not sexually active? Then don’t get the HPV vaccine.

And “I’m” the naive one? I’ve argued in favour of getting tested before getting married, and before having sex. Why? Because people lie.

You chose to accept the risks, with your wife. I’m sorry that it didn’t work out for you. I’m not sure why you are attacking me for what your wife did to you, but that’s your business.


44 posted on 02/03/2011 11:35:05 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 39 | View Replies]

To: headstamp 2

HPV is for the most part asymptomatic in men.


45 posted on 02/03/2011 11:37:01 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 42 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555

“All serious reports (8%) for Gardasil have been carefully analyzed by medical experts. Experts have not found a common medical pattern to the reports of serious adverse events reported for Gardasil that would suggest that they were caused by the vaccine.”

I’ve ran the analysis, and there *is* a clustering of symptoms.

I should also mention that Merck isn’t paying me a dime. How bout you?

You know, it’s funny. First I say that people have died from the Gardasil Vaccine, which you deny is the case. Now you are accepting that 58 people have died from the use of Gardasil, you are no longer attacking the source.

Funny that, eh? Look, Gardasil is an untested vaccine, and young girls are the lab rats. Pray those who have already come down with symptoms do not suffer long term damage.


46 posted on 02/03/2011 11:41:12 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 41 | View Replies]

To: BenKenobi
First of all, whenever I comment on Gardasil on a thread on FR someone comes along accusing me of being a Merck stooge. For the record, I have never received a nickel from Merck. In fact, as a cytopathologist I can potentially see my livelihood threatened by widespread Gardasil adoption- i.e. less need for Pap smears, a major part of my livelihood. But even if I was the CEO of Merck it wouldn't change the facts of Gardasil's efficacy.

People get vaccinated and people die. Coincidence does not prove causality. There is no evidence linking the deaths or other injuries to Gardasil. Gardasil is very well studied. The various clinical trials have collectively involved tens of thousands of subjects over several years. None of these have shown any difference in death or serious outcomes between Gardasil recipients and controls. Sure, there have been a few deaths in each group but no greater than that expected actuarially in people that age.

47 posted on 02/03/2011 11:49:09 AM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 46 | View Replies]

To: Beowulf9

We just need to make our own organization that is anti-Planned Parenthood, because honestly they give out so many lies about “safe sex”, or the self-fulfilling prophecy that children are inherently promiscuous. Pretty ugly, and also pretty disgusting, and they’ve got to go


48 posted on 02/03/2011 11:51:08 AM PST by Morpheus2009 ("God doesn't play dice" - Albert Einstein)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: jalisco555
More evidence for the utility of HPV vaccination.

My children will certainly NOT receive this vaccination, either voluntarily or under order by an "authority."

You might consider reading up on the safety and effectiveness of this poison. Even one of the major research scientists who developed this vaccine, Dr. Diane Harper, has stated that the vaccine is ineffective and that she has concerns over its safety.

This issue has been previously discussed on FR.

The link to the article in the post has been pulled, but it is reprinted here.

49 posted on 02/03/2011 12:10:13 PM PST by SlaveNoMore
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: SlaveNoMore

Harper’s opinion goes against the overwhelming weight of evidence.


50 posted on 02/03/2011 12:15:24 PM PST by jalisco555 ("My 80% friend is not my 20% enemy" - Ronald Reagan)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 49 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-63 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson