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Why eligibility is a winning issue
WND ^ | February 04, 2011 | Joseph Farah

Posted on 02/04/2011 12:22:09 PM PST by RobinMasters

Conservatives make me laugh – and cry, sometimes.

From the very beginning of WND's relentless coverage of the eligibility issue, there were many very high-profile conservatives in public office and the media who discouraged any focus on it.

They whispered and muttered that it was not a "winning issue."

They wrung their hands in worriment over the possibility that Barack Obama would pull the rug out from under the pursuit by pulling his long-form birth certificate out of his hat – making us look ridiculous for ever asking for it.

They even went so far as to suggest the whole controversy was a "trap" being set for those who went near it.

They warned that Obama is waiting for me to get out far enough on a limb so he can saw it off.

They were even afraid that Obama might indeed be ineligible and the nation would face a constitutional crisis as a result.

I didn't listen to them then, and I don't listen to them now.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; bolied; certifigate; naturalborncitizen; obama; suckers; thebiggestlie; thebiglie
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1 posted on 02/04/2011 12:22:13 PM PST by RobinMasters
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To: RobinMasters
Let's see it barry, you phony
2 posted on 02/04/2011 12:26:39 PM PST by paul51 (11 September 2001 - Never forget)
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To: RobinMasters

I am a hundred percent unconcerned if “the rug gets pulled out from under us.”

He’d still have to answer for some bizarre stonewalling for two plus years, in that case. I don’t think “birthers” have anything to apologize for or worry about.


3 posted on 02/04/2011 12:27:41 PM PST by Persevero (Homeschooling for Excellence since 1992)
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To: Persevero

When the hell is somebody going to make a “birther “ logo and promo poster?


4 posted on 02/04/2011 12:32:53 PM PST by magna carta
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To: RobinMasters

The most powerful man in the world, operating out of the most powerful office in the world, situated in the most powerful nation in the world, and he can’t produce the most believeable fake in the world?

Don’t bet the next election on it. Obama’s been playing with this issue, he’s been loving it.

If he needs a BC, one will be fothcoming.


5 posted on 02/04/2011 12:33:07 PM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: RobinMasters

Excellent article. This is just going to get more and more traction.

The left and the MSM doesn’t want to hear it, but there is SOMETHING WRONG - and it is getting more and more obvious.


6 posted on 02/04/2011 12:34:38 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: RobinMasters

Excellent article. This is just going to get more and more traction.

The left and the MSM doesn’t want to hear it, but there is SOMETHING WRONG - and it is getting more and more obvious.


7 posted on 02/04/2011 12:34:44 PM PST by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: RobinMasters

8 posted on 02/04/2011 12:35:21 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: Persevero

It’s a loser in the courts, but like you said...he’s got some explaining to do now and the states look like they’re getting ready to trump his hand by putting long form BC requirements to be able to get on the ballot.

If one or two states do this and Barry kisses them off...he’s toast. The whole BC thing will come down on him like a bucket of water. I can guarantee you that someone in the Electoral College will demand to see the long form BC this time.


9 posted on 02/04/2011 12:35:39 PM PST by Ouderkirk (Democrats...the party of Slavery, Segregation, Sodomy, and Sedition)
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To: RobinMasters

It’s a battle worth fighting. Given who has been identified as B.O.’s father, the current White House occupant cannot be a NBC and is therefore ineligible to hold the office. If it is shown that B.O. Sr. is not the father, then the occupant has committed massive fraud. The bottom line is that there is no way B.O. can win this battle UNLESS the American people wimp out and ignore it.


10 posted on 02/04/2011 12:35:51 PM PST by Faith
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To: Balding_Eagle

Sure he is /sarc. ... We call his bluff card.


11 posted on 02/04/2011 12:36:03 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: RobinMasters

The real birth certificate (if it has not already been destroyed) will reveal much about the loon-O-dent. Most probably, it may show a birth in Hawaii, but the father’s name will continue the unraveling of his set of lies contained with his silly books.

He is a fake, pure and simple. He couldn’t write a sentence without the help of someone who actually has an education.


12 posted on 02/04/2011 12:36:12 PM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Balding_Eagle

You mean, from the same file drawer that held Hillary’s Rose Law Firm records? And maybe Vince Foster’s “suicide note”?


13 posted on 02/04/2011 12:36:12 PM PST by silverleaf (All that is necessary for evil to succeed, is that good men do nothing)
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To: magna carta
Well, someone's pushing T-Shirts...


14 posted on 02/04/2011 12:37:45 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: Faith
The bottom line is that there is no way B.O. can win this battle UNLESS the American people wimp out and ignore it.

There could be a dozen or more states with eligibility ballot laws on the books by 2012.

See ya Obama.

15 posted on 02/04/2011 12:38:42 PM PST by Red Steel
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To: Da Coyote

Where’s Alexander O’Neal when ya need him?

“Fake”

Your name was patty
But now it’s kay
Girl
You seem to change it every day.
Your hair was long
But now it’s short
You say: i got it cut
But i don’t see no hair upon the floor.
Whenever i go out with you i find out something new.
You’re a fake
Baby
You can’t conceal it
Know how i know
‘cause i can feel it.
You’re a fake
Baby
No rhyme or reason
‘cause in your mind it’s lyin’ season.
You had brown eyes
But now they’re blue
Those false eyelashes that you’re wearin’
Too.
In bed this morning you called me clyde
Alex is the name that i go by!
If women could be counterfeit
Then you’d be it.
You’re a fake
Baby
You can’t conceal it
. . .
You’re a fake
Baby
I’ve blown your cover
The iig is up
‘cause i discovered -
You’re a fake
Baby
No need to hide it
Can’t change my mind
‘cause i’ve decided -
You’re a fake
Baby
And i’m disgusted
The game is through and
Girl
You’re busted
Fake!
Whenever i go out with you i find out something new.
You’re a fake
You always have a good excuse
But
Girl
That ain’t no use.
You’re a fake
Baby
You can’t conceal it
. . .
You’re a fake
Baby
No rhyme or reason
. . .
You’re a fake
Baby
Fake
Fake!

-A. O’Neal


16 posted on 02/04/2011 12:41:43 PM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: RobinMasters

It’s a reasonable issue but I don’t believe should be the only issue. Recent developments seem to suggest that the questions around the birth cert may have some credibility. It certainly doesn’t help Obama no more than the Truther charges again Bush helped him however those that try to say it hurts us I have to ask how did the 9-11 truther/ Michael Moore crap hurt the left and it I believe was much more serious even traitorous and not a tenth of the attention was given to Truthers in the media even with the recent Lougner shooting who was most definitely of the Truther bent.

There are real questions about the President’s records in general. He has not be forth coming on his birth, education, or medical records. If you have a tendency towards conspiracy then it may seem a bit more than coincidence that one of the guys who was a part of Obama’s Passport breach ended up getting shot to death outside of his church. Is Obama a grifter, a matchstix man? I don’t know but the guy most certainly has a record of inflating himself beyond his accomplishments and combine that with his inordinate level of secrecy concerning records of his past is at a minimum strange. People do not hide what is not worth hiding.


17 posted on 02/04/2011 12:43:45 PM PST by Maelstorm (Better to keep your enemy in your sights than in your camp expecting him to guard your back.)
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To: Balding_Eagle

Unless, and this is just me aspiring to writing the next Tom Clancy thriller, unless he has never seen the LFBC (if one even exists), has no idea what’s on it, but knows that someone else does know, and can therefore immediately expose him if he attempts a fake.

Or, much more boring, but more likely, he has a real fear of the collective intelligence that would be applied to breaking the fake, so his better strategy is simply to stonewall as long as possible, or as long as necessary, i.e., until some international emergency occurs which renders the whole question moot, indefinitely.


18 posted on 02/04/2011 12:44:58 PM PST by Springfield Reformer (Winston Churchill: No Peace Till Victory!)
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To: magna carta

“Birther” is a perjorative used to avoid actually addressing the issue in question.


19 posted on 02/04/2011 12:46:02 PM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my about page. Click my handle.)
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To: Maelstorm
I see your point, but to make any comparison between Truther and Birther is incorrect except that they both end in ER.
20 posted on 02/04/2011 12:53:48 PM PST by faucetman (Just the facts ma'am, just the facts)
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To: Balding_Eagle
If he needs a BC, one will be fothcoming.

But its not the BC. Its his KENYAN father. Unless a BC shows that he was not his father and maybe someone else had it in for Stanley, BO is not just toast he is a toasted felon on a grand scale.

21 posted on 02/04/2011 1:07:56 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: Balding_Eagle
Don't think so.

Convincing fakes are a lot harder to make these days than they were before. The ink, the paper, the serial number... everything, would be subject to intense scrutiny and compared with genuine items from the same period.

There's also the fact that Obama may be "the most powerful man in the world, operating out of the most powerful office in the world, situated in the most powerful nation in the world", but that does not mean he has access to the US Government technical resources to produce a counterfeit document.

You expect him to call in the CIA director and say "Yo! Have Q or whoever it is down in your gremlin factory who does this stuff whip me up a fake BC to show the yokels"!?

The CIA doesn't like Obama much these days.

22 posted on 02/04/2011 1:08:01 PM PST by Ronin ("Dismantle the TSA and send the screeners back to Wal-Mart.")
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To: RobinMasters

Joe Farah is a good guy but his article says states are ready to pass laws about making the islamic show his BC. I hope this is true. We need to find 4 or 5 states with the guts. If not then he may win again.


23 posted on 02/04/2011 1:08:53 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: MrB

That’s the way they intend it, but I wear the “Birther” title proudly, just as I wear the “Vexatious Requester” title proudly.

Someday I’m gonna sing, “I was ‘birther’ when ‘birther’ wasn’t cool.” lol

They’ve thrown all the rotten tomatoes that they have at us and we’ve come out of it unscathed. What are they gonna do now - bleed on us? Wave their privates at our aunties? Taunt us a second time? lol.

We are the little bunnies they ridicule but in the end they will be the ones soiling their armor. lol. The only question is whether they, in their figurative death throes, will bother to write out, “Aaaaaaaaaaagggggggggghhhhhhh” (with a gutteral sound, in the back of the throat). lol


24 posted on 02/04/2011 1:19:53 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: Faith
It’s a battle worth fighting. Given who has been identified as B.O.’s father, the current White House occupant cannot be a NBC and is therefore ineligible to hold the office.

That is simply not true. The law at the time was that you could be a citizen by birth with one parent being a non-citizen (BHO, Sr.) IF the parent who was a citizen (momma) had been a resident for at least 5 years after attaining the age of 16 (which manifestly wasn't true, since she wasn't yet 21 when BHO, Jr. was born) OR even if the citizen parent wasn't so qualified, if the child was born in the US. Since it is clear beyond any doubt that the father wasn't a citizen and also that his mother wasn't yet 21, the sole issue right now in determining if he was a NBC is the place of his birth.

Of course, there has been speculation raised elsewhere that he was born in Hawaii, based on what the Hawaii governor/Obama lapdog has said, but that because of the fact that Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetero he lost his US citizenship, and there is simply no record whatsoever of him ever applying to get the citizenship back. Further, he was also known as Barry Soetero, yet his bar application for IL asks if the applicant was ever known by a different name and his reply was "no." This is fraud, and there's also possible fraud regarding the issue of college financial aid (i.e. did he apply for scholarships that were only open to foreign students? If so, then he was a foreigner who never applied to get his citizenship back. If he wasn't actually a foreigner and got the grants anyway, then he committed a felony and is ineligible to be President).

Any way you look at this guy, there is some deep, dark secret that he doesn't want revealed - else why spend so much money protecting his birth, school and medical records. At this point, even if he came up with documents showing that he's 100% legit, the question will arise, "So, why did you hide things for so long? Why were you playing Machiavellian games with the American public?" The burden is on him at this point.

25 posted on 02/04/2011 1:21:44 PM PST by Ancesthntr (Tyrant: "Spartans, lay down your weapons." Free man: "Persian, come and get them!")
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To: RobinMasters

It really is quite astonishing than no-one in BO’s campaign ever asked if all his paperwork was in order. Or did BO and his backers bully everyone into submission and silence?


26 posted on 02/04/2011 1:21:49 PM PST by sodpoodle (Despair; man's surrender. Laughter; God 's redemption.)
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To: butterdezillion

Ever notice how leftists throw perjoratives at real Americans (Americanists?) and we’re never really insulted by them?

But say something truthful/unPC toward them and they’re OUTRAGED!


27 posted on 02/04/2011 1:23:13 PM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my about page. Click my handle.)
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To: MrB

lol. Yeah, I’ve noticed that. Real Americans don’t have time to get too upset over superficials like name-calling. It’s like gnats around the eyes; you know they exist and they bug you but you’ve got bigger things to get done so you don’t get too bent out of shape.

The trouble comes in when a clear alarm of substance sounds and people do the same thing. It’s good to be laid-back about superficials but we need to passionately protect the substance we need to conserve. I think that’s what the Tea Party has been about.


28 posted on 02/04/2011 1:30:29 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: RobinMasters
How can the media belittle persons who genuinely

"Question Authority" ?

It's the American way and those that don't understand it don't understand America's provenance and history. Tax the tea heck no..instead of no BC no DC, how about no BC no Taxes. See who blinks first.

29 posted on 02/04/2011 1:31:30 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: RobinMasters

Afraid, afraid afraid, thats all I got from this article. I wish that some of these male politicians would develop some stones. It appears that too many have been feminized and are lacking any backbone.


30 posted on 02/04/2011 1:34:00 PM PST by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: RobinMasters

They whispered and muttered that it was not a "winning issue."

They wrung their hands in worriment over the possibility that Barack Obama would pull the rug out from under the pursuit by pulling his long-form birth certificate out of his hat – making us look ridiculous for ever asking for it.

They even went so far as to suggest the whole controversy was a "trap" being set for those who went near it.

They warned that Obama is waiting for me to get out far enough on a limb so he can saw it off.

They were even afraid that Obama might indeed be ineligible and the nation would face a constitutional crisis as a result.

I didn't listen to them then, and I don't listen to them now.


Wow ... did I write this article?


31 posted on 02/04/2011 1:34:46 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: RobinMasters

P.S. I am not including in my rant “real men” who have been aggressive on this issue, I’m referring to the pansies.


32 posted on 02/04/2011 1:35:01 PM PST by diamond6 (Check out: http://www.biblechristiansociety.com/home.php and learn about the faith.)
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To: RobinMasters

The conclusion that Obama is hiding something is, to me, inescapable. What it is, I don’t know.

Sometimes I think I’m just having a nightmare, but unfortunately it’s real life.


33 posted on 02/04/2011 1:36:10 PM PST by cvq3842
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To: RobinMasters

I think it’s a winning issue in that we might see other states follow Arizona’s lead requiring a birth certificate be presented in order to appear on a ballot. I suppose Obama has the power and contacts to provide a fraudulent document, but if he were caught doing that his candidacy would be doomed.


34 posted on 02/04/2011 1:40:06 PM PST by Juana la Loca
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To: RobinMasters
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35 posted on 02/04/2011 1:42:27 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: butterdezillion

What are they gonna do now - bleed on us? Wave their privates at our aunties? Taunt us a second time?

You just made my day :-)


36 posted on 02/04/2011 1:42:55 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: Persevero

There is no way for the end game to be good for Obama. Even if he is totally legit with nothing to hide, he will still look like a petty, childish game player.


37 posted on 02/04/2011 1:45:24 PM PST by sportutegrl
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To: bushpilot1

thats what i have argued for years, and it has come further to light with the passage of the sex tourism law which only applies to citizens and immigrated aliens. Illegals and non-immigrants are not subject to US jurisdiction outside the US thus not fully subject to jurisdiction under the 14th amendment. It also related to NBC.

ALL YOU LEGAL EAGLES Is there case law that says children of illegal aliens born in the US are citizens or is that just “policy”

If illegal aliens or lawfully immigrated aliens or non-immigrant aliens leave the US are they still subject to its laws and jurisdiction?

Can a US citizen be prosecuted for sex with a minor in a foreign country even if it is not against the law in that country? (yes)Can an immigrated, non-immigrated or illegal alien who leaves the US to such a country be prosecuted under US law for same?(immigrated can illegal & non-immigrant cant)

So does that mean that non-immigrated aliens and illegal aliens are not subject to the jurisdiction of the US when abroad like US citizens and LAPR’s? So how can their children born in the US be citizens if their parents are not fully subject to US jurisdiction?


38 posted on 02/04/2011 1:51:44 PM PST by rolling_stone ( *this makes Watergate look like a kiddie pool*)
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To: rolling_stone

The subject to jurisdiction in the 14th Amendment comes from Vattel.

The Eastman testimony is here:

http://commdocs.house.gov/committees/judiciary/hju23690.000/hju23690_0.HTM

Justice Scalia called Hamdi a “presumed citizen”.

aka obama is a presumed citizen.


39 posted on 02/04/2011 2:11:13 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: rolling_stone
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40 posted on 02/04/2011 2:15:42 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: Persevero
He’d still have to answer for some bizarre stonewalling for two plus years, in that case. I don’t think “birthers” have anything to apologize for or worry about.

If he does this we can demand he explain why he let a decorated Army Surgeon go to jail instead of producing the document.

Either way the good guys win.

41 posted on 02/04/2011 2:20:09 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist, Iconoclast: THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR.)
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To: RobinMasters
It is a winning issue ONLY if the birther community can keep it simple.

NOT "He was born in Kenya"

NOT "his father is Frank Davis/Malcom X/etc"

NOT a bunch of gobbledegook about Hawaii's internal BC procedures.

Just this: "He is lying about his origins and early life (that much is obvious and provable). Why?"

Repeat as needed.

42 posted on 02/04/2011 2:22:02 PM PST by Jim Noble (Reelect Palin 2016)
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To: Maelstorm

I WANNA SEE THE BIRTH CERTIFICATE, BARACK!!!!!
“ “ “ “ “ “ “ “

While you’re at it, the school records would be nice, too!


43 posted on 02/04/2011 2:27:47 PM PST by Twinkie (Two wrongs don't make a right.)
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To: RobinMasters

Obama should be forced to release ALL of his historical documents - passport, college records, BC, health records etc. Its obvious to the deaf, dumb and blind that he is a fatally flawed individual driven, like all liberals, by the mindset that the end justifies the means. Liberals lie. Its what they are and what they will always be. An honest liberal would never get elected.

When the size of the fraud is finally revealed, the issue should destroy Obama, the Demonrat party and the mainstream media for decades.


44 posted on 02/04/2011 2:38:54 PM PST by Kandy Atz ("Were we directed from Washington when to sow and when to reap, we should soon want for bread.")
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To: rolling_stone

There is a force in play to drive out..the descendants of the original citizens created after the ratification of the Constitution.

These descendants are the natural born citizens. They are the indigenous Americans.


45 posted on 02/04/2011 2:40:23 PM PST by bushpilot1
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To: magna carta
This one does just fine for me.


46 posted on 02/04/2011 2:46:36 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: paul51
But what could possibly be wrong with asking for the documentation that is absolutely necessary to meeting the constitutional test?

How could it backfire if Obama actually produces the proof? That's all we're asking for. That's all we ever asked for. I would consider it a major victory if Obama produced what I have been asking him to produce for two-and-a-half years. I would even be relieved to find out that the man occupying the White House is indeed constitutionally eligible for the office he has held for the last two years.

I still don't understand what is the downside of demanding something so innocent and so essential to constitutional governance as proof of eligibility.

I'm not afraid Obama will produce what I'm asking for. I'm afraid he won't. That's something very scary. It is already a constitutional crisis when the president can assume office and make profound changes in the direction of the country without ever proving he is constitutionally eligible.

Why won't he produce it?

Why is the WH so jacked up about a few states requiring long-form birth certificates before a candidate can be placed on the ballot?

If the WH believes these requirements are unconstitutional, or otherwise without legal basis, let them sue. Let them suggest procedural exceptions and give their reasons why these are appropriate.

There is no reason for the country to be put through this crappola again in the future.

47 posted on 02/04/2011 2:53:17 PM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: Faith

It’s also necessary to clear this up for the future. It’s impossible and incredible that we can have someone run for president of the U.S. based on some political hack’s opinion that said candidate is eligible.

There needs to be procedures for establishing eligibility in a transparent (public) way and for review and redress thereof.


48 posted on 02/04/2011 2:55:30 PM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: Maelstorm
Even for those who don't question Obama's eligibility, birthplace, citizenship, etc. -- I say, so what? What is the problem with requiring proof of eligibility that is public and reviewable? That's the rub here.

I could think Obama was a natural born citizen from here to Kingdom come and I'd still want procedures and judicial review available to preclude this becoming an issue with another candidate/sitting president in the future.

49 posted on 02/04/2011 2:59:01 PM PST by fightinJAG (Americans: the only people in the world protesting AGAINST government "benefits.")
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To: RobinMasters

If Hussein is weak in 2012 he will get pounded on eligibility. If he is strong he can probably stiff-arm it unless Arizona and others make a long form birth certificate mandatory to get on the ballot in their states


50 posted on 02/04/2011 3:32:20 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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