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Washington driverís license proposal called racist, anti-immigrant
The Spokesman Review ^ | 2/4/2011 | Jim Camden

Posted on 02/04/2011 1:57:58 PM PST by epithermal

OLYMPIA – A legislative hearing over a proposal to make driver’s license applicants give the state a Social Security number and a verifiable residence was abruptly halted Thursday after some members of the audience called the plan racist and anti-immigrant.

Senate Transportation Chairwoman Mary Margaret Haugen, D-Camano Island, ended the hearing when several people in the audience tried to shout her down over the purpose of Senate Bill 5407.

The panel had listened to a full hour of testimony, with some witnesses saying the bill would make the state safer by preventing terrorists from obtaining licenses and others who said it would make the state less safe because undocumented immigrants would still drive, but without licenses or insurance.

Haugen insisted several times the bill wasn’t about immigration: “To work in this country, you have to have a Social Security Number. We’re just asking for a Social Security number.”

When she asked Department of Licensing staff to explain how the bill would work, they said applicants would be asked for the number, as they are now. If there’s any question about residence, licensing staff must “establish whether they are lawfully present” in the state.

“So it is about immigration,” a member of the audience said loudly.

“You want to target brown people and the working poor,” said another, even louder.

Haugen told legislative security to remove those two people, which prompted other people to join in that the bill was targeting immigrants. She banged the gavel and adjourned the committee without getting the full answer from licensing staff or hearing testimony on three other bills.

The panel will return to the issue later, she said.


TOPICS: Government; US: Washington
KEYWORDS: aliens; crimaliens; drivers; illegals; immigration; license; wassist
So what?
1 posted on 02/04/2011 1:58:02 PM PST by epithermal
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To: epithermal

after some members of the audience

Are there no capitol police in that state? Do members of the audience have a veto power?


2 posted on 02/04/2011 2:00:00 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: epithermal

They should have shown that it was “anti-ILLEGAL immigrant”


3 posted on 02/04/2011 2:00:02 PM PST by RC2
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To: epithermal

This is why Seattle has become such an attractive bombing site for the Air Force should we ever have to QUELL our own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


4 posted on 02/04/2011 2:01:16 PM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: epithermal

Right. In Puerto Rico - a purportedly Hispanic U.S. Territory - the DMV has always required applicants for a valid SSN, a birth certificate, and utility bills to prove residency.

And to add to this, you cannot vote without and Elections Commission photo ID, which has the same requirements as a driver license.


5 posted on 02/04/2011 2:02:22 PM PST by cll (I am the warrant and the sanction)
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To: epithermal

8 or 9 out of 10 fatal accidents in my part of central Washington involve immigrants...many of which are illegals. I am for any way to get them off the road.

I remember reading that Oregon passed a law that all applicants for licenses would have to prove legal residence. The new license applications went down by 2 thirds! ( or thereabouts).


6 posted on 02/04/2011 2:02:51 PM PST by Jerry Attrick
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To: epithermal

So, da ho is saying that “brown people” don’t have a Social Security number and a verifiable residence? Now THAT’S “racist”.


7 posted on 02/04/2011 2:03:59 PM PST by FlingWingFlyer (ObamaCare funds 16,000 new tax collectors but no new doctors. Now that's what I call "green" jobs.)
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To: BenLurkin

Taze them Bro’!


8 posted on 02/04/2011 2:04:10 PM PST by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: epithermal
After 911 it was found that virtually all the AlQaida terrorists had gotten their Virginia licenses from a nearby DMV outlet. The procedures were the old lax ones.

I strongly suspect Senate Transportation Chairwoman Mary Margaret Haugen works for AlQaida. Someone from HS ought to get over there and interrogate her thoroughly ~ it's simply not believable that there remain people in positions of authority who are that IGNANT ~ just unbelievable. Therefore she must be a terrorist, or a terrorist sympathizer.

9 posted on 02/04/2011 2:05:55 PM PST by muawiyah
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To: epithermal
Just moved to Memphis, in order to switch my driver's license from WI to TN, I had to show my Social Security card, 2 proofs of established residency, my prior state's actual driver's record, a non-photocopy (original) of state issued birth certificate, and a copy of my 401K Statement???? WTF was up with that?

Plenty of brown, poor, white, hispanic, and asians in line with me. Seemed that the rule was pretty evenly applied to everyone!

10 posted on 02/04/2011 2:08:04 PM PST by blackdog
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To: epithermal
was abruptly halted Thursday after some members of the audience called the plan racist and anti-illegal immigrant.....
11 posted on 02/04/2011 2:09:33 PM PST by umgud
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To: BenLurkin
These people need psychiatric help. Perhaps they forgot to take their meds. Whatever, their nonsense does not and should not count.
12 posted on 02/04/2011 2:10:26 PM PST by apocalypto
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To: epithermal

The laws only apply to the American citizens who pay the bills to support these intruders. I’m sick of spineless politicians who are afraid of offending everyone but the American tax payer.


13 posted on 02/04/2011 2:10:33 PM PST by peeps36 (America is being destroyed by filthy traitors in the political establishment)
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To: blackdog

I think the 401K statement is a bit much, but yeap, that is typical identification requirements.


14 posted on 02/04/2011 2:12:10 PM PST by ican'tbelieveit
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To: apocalypto

Classic public forum diamond pattern tactics. It’s how a few can control the debate in front of many.


15 posted on 02/04/2011 2:13:19 PM PST by blackdog
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To: blackdog
I had to show my Social Security card, 2 proofs of established residency, my prior state's actual driver's record, a non-photocopy (original) of state issued birth certificate, and a copy of my 401K Statement????

So what you're saying is, Barry Sotero could not acquire a drivers license in TN, but he can be the president.

Nice.

16 posted on 02/04/2011 2:13:19 PM PST by JOAT
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To: muawiyah
I think you misread the article. I don't blame you, because it's not really written very clearly.

The Democrat in question apparently supports the idea of trying to make drivers licenses unavailable to illegal aliens, incredible as that may seem.

It was the (presumed) illegals in the audience who were disrupting the meeting, because they want to keep their licenses.

17 posted on 02/04/2011 2:13:48 PM PST by B Knotts (Just another Tenther)
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To: JOAT

And that was my point to be made. It took a mere seconds.


18 posted on 02/04/2011 2:15:00 PM PST by blackdog
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To: peeps36

Maybe everyone should start refusing to give their social security numbers when applying for a driver’s license.


19 posted on 02/04/2011 2:15:00 PM PST by Eva
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To: epithermal
That's right; ANY effort at Voter ID or proof of Citizenship is racist and anti-immigrant to the Leftists. Their voterbase consists of welfare recipients, felons, illegals, dead, and a host of other societal mis-fits.

Calling yourself a fellow Democrat means don't drop the soap in the shower.....

20 posted on 02/04/2011 2:16:04 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: Eva
Maybe everyone should start refusing to give their social security numbers when applying for a driver’s license.

Or maybe everyone should tell the state government of Washington, when it comes to state taxes, they can kiss their asses.

21 posted on 02/04/2011 2:20:30 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: epithermal

Oh please.

Government by mob?


22 posted on 02/04/2011 2:27:52 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php)
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To: epithermal

Went to renew my DL in WA and somehow transposed my SS#. They came back to me and wanted ID to verify who I was.


23 posted on 02/04/2011 2:28:28 PM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: peeps36

When I moved to WA and went to the DMV I was required to prove some evidence of residency. The dork at the desk wouldn’t take the sales contract on my house as proof. I finally came up with enough proof and got my license after several minutes of debate. The line next to me was all non-english speakers who were all turning in Oregon licenses to get a WA license. I guess Oregon must give them away and with loose trade in standards in WA then these people do one switch and look legit.


24 posted on 02/04/2011 2:34:29 PM PST by USNBandit (sarcasm engaged at all times)
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To: epithermal

If these people want a country with no laws why don’t they return home where there are no laws.Where you may pay a bribe and be on your way. They want so much to undermind the laws of this country.They are so use to the fact by saying racist, said laws do not apply to them


25 posted on 02/04/2011 2:36:04 PM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: epithermal

(A legislative hearing over a proposal to make driver’s license applicants give the state a Social Security number and a verifiable residence was abruptly halted Thursday after some members of the audience called the plan racist and anti-immigrant)

What utter nonsense.
On what planet ruled by common sense does requiring a person to verify who they are when applying for an identification documet be rascist or anti-immigration?
These people are IDIOTS


26 posted on 02/04/2011 2:39:02 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


27 posted on 02/04/2011 2:40:00 PM PST by HiJinx (What new decade?)
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To: epithermal

In California no social security number no driver’s license. Not an immigration issue but rather a welfare dead beat parent enforcement issue. Don’t pay your child support they take away your driver’s license.


28 posted on 02/04/2011 2:41:25 PM PST by artichokegrower
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To: epithermal

“You want to target brown people and the working poor,” said another, even louder

What an ignorant and hateful statement.


29 posted on 02/04/2011 2:43:05 PM PST by SECURE AMERICA
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To: epithermal

I didn’t realize the SS# contained race based information. As far as illegal well they are illegal so why should we care if they don’t care about our laws. Screw them!


30 posted on 02/04/2011 2:45:17 PM PST by Wurlitzer (Welcome to the new USSA (United Socialist States of Amerika))
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To: epithermal

“To work in this country, you have to have a Social Security Number. We’re just asking for a Social Security number.”

Not true.

In the new world of Jorge Bush II and Barack HUSSEIN Obama, you need only BE here. Its the new route to success in America. Companies hire cheap labor with no coverage and the American Taxpayer and Social Security Payer bears the burden of their medical and retirement costs.


31 posted on 02/04/2011 2:49:42 PM PST by ZULU (No nation which ever attempted to tolerate Islam, escaped total Islamization.)
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To: epithermal

“Haugen told legislative security to remove those two people, which prompted other people to join in that the bill was targeting immigrants and adjourned the committee without getting the full answer from licensing staff or hearing testimony on three other bills.”

I would’ve plunged into the audience and kicked some leftist ass. My fistfights as a legislator would’ve drawn a million viewers on YouTube. Woohooo! My 15 minutes of fame as I inflict pain. Ali has nothing on me when I’m in a rhyming mood.


32 posted on 02/04/2011 3:08:09 PM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: epithermal

Gee, when I renew my SD drivers license in a couple of months, in addition to my expiring license, I’ll have to provide:

PROOF of my SSN;

two “approved” proofs of my PHYSICAL (No, I can’t claim I live in a tiny tent in the right-rear corner of our P.O. Box) address;

and a certified copy my BIRTH CERTICATE.

(And I’m not even trying to run for President!)

When my wife renews, she’ll have to provide all of that PLUS our marriage certificate, to prove her name change.

So, what makes illegal residents of Washington so special? And, since when is criminal a “race”?


33 posted on 02/04/2011 3:26:23 PM PST by ApplegateRanch (Made in America, by proud American citizens, in 1946.)
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To: epithermal

Were those “members” citizens...inquiring minds would like to know?


34 posted on 02/04/2011 3:35:55 PM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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To: epithermal
If there’s any question about residence, licensing staff must “establish whether they are lawfully present” in the state. “So it is about immigration,” a member of the audience said loudly.

No, it's about the law. Apparently the 'member of the audience' has English comprehension problems.

35 posted on 02/04/2011 3:37:11 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: GeronL
Government by mob?

The socialist view of democracy.

36 posted on 02/04/2011 3:42:31 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Doc Savage

*This is why Seattle has become such an attractive bombing site for the Air Force should we ever have to QUELL our own!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!*

Hey, General Ripper, Seattle & Olympia are not the same city. They’re not even in the same county.


37 posted on 02/04/2011 3:49:38 PM PST by j-damn
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To: dragnet2

*Or maybe everyone should tell the state government of Washington, when it comes to state taxes, they can kiss their asses. *

There are no state INCOME taxes in Washington, already. The voters basically did what you ask by a 2/3 margin last year.


38 posted on 02/04/2011 3:51:35 PM PST by j-damn
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To: TigersEye
Gee, the 25 years I've had to have a driver's license I didn't know it was racist. Now when a cop pulls me over for speeding,and asks for license and registration, I can call him a bigot and drive away, right?

Who the F#@% are these people that not only don't want to obey the laws that Americans have to, but think they are ABOVE it.

39 posted on 02/04/2011 4:22:38 PM PST by boop ("Let's just say they'll be satisfied with LESS"... Ming the Merciless)
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To: boop

I think it would work better if you say to the officer “No habla Ingles.” Act confused and refuse to speak English, with the exception of a few words like ‘racist,’ ‘sanctuary’ and ‘ACLU lawyer.’ It should only take a couple of minutes for them to send you on your way.


40 posted on 02/04/2011 4:32:29 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: blackdog

Smack a chair over their heads. Sure to shut them up. God help them if I was there. I’m sick and f’ing tired of illegals and their bullying tactics. Son of a b!tches have no right to be here and yet you and I are being denied our God-given, hard-fought -for right to have our voices heard in our own cities and town councils by foreign invaders.


41 posted on 02/04/2011 5:16:11 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: sergeantdave

See my post. I’m with you.


42 posted on 02/04/2011 5:17:47 PM PST by jmacusa (Two wrongs don't make a right. But they can make it interesting.)
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To: j-damn

Great!!

Now if you can just get those over-paid government AH’s to stop kissing illegal alien butt.


43 posted on 02/04/2011 5:43:33 PM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: epithermal

“You want to target brown people and the working poor,” said another, even louder.

Why divide brown people and working poor?
As if people of brown skinned race and working poor are separate categories and,further implies that people of other races only are the working poor,but doesn’t specify the race and ethnicities of working poor among the races. It’s divisiveness.

It could also be taken as meaning that “brown” ( not sure what that means in reality) people are the working poor.

So we have all of this ethnic and racial divisiveness to sort out before we even get to the issue of Social Security cards.

It makes the rest complete nonsense because,with very few exceptions,every American will have a Social Security number. So how could brown people and the working poor (none of whom according to this statement are brown people possibly) Americans be targeted,since it’s reasonable to assume they have Social Security numbers?

BTW,does the author contend that white working poor are being targeted?


44 posted on 02/04/2011 6:07:27 PM PST by FreeDeerHawk
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To: Jerry Attrick

>I remember reading that Oregon passed a law that all applicants for licenses would have to prove legal residence. The new license applications went down by 2 thirds! ( or thereabouts).<

far worse in Vancouver Canada where I spent Christmas with family...

I accompanied my cousin to the canadian version of the DMV, and his DR LIC is a mailbox but how it was printed is “suite #” plus he has a US DR Lic. I was absolutely stunned when the clerk simply asked him on the spot when renewing his license: “do you own any driver’s license outside of canada”
Him: “no”
Clerk:”Oh very well, just step up and have your picture taken and it should be in your residence within 2 weeks”.


45 posted on 02/04/2011 8:02:27 PM PST by max americana
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To: epithermal

What it boils down to is, “Latinos are superior, and the laws that apply to everyone else should not apply to them.” Period.


46 posted on 02/05/2011 7:48:09 AM PST by Nea Wood (Silly liberal . . . paychecks are for workers!)
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