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Secret Service Agent Accidentally Shoots Self
KEYT ^ | 2/4/2011 | staff

Posted on 02/04/2011 7:33:34 PM PST by RKV

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121 posted on 02/05/2011 9:14:21 AM PST by Gritty (Americans 100 years ago didn't have golf matches. They had shooting matches.- Dave Grossman)
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To: yarddog

You misunderstand.

I would never attempt to lecture anyone who already knows everything.

Advice is not a lecture.

Speaking to the group is not a lecture.

Carry it anyway you please.

By the way,many carry their wheel guns with the hammer on an empty chamber.

For the reason I mentioned; a dropped weapon.

When you carry a 1911 with the hammer down on a round, you are essentially doing the same as carrying a revolver with the hammer down on a round.

Your original post demonstrates that you are carrying in a dangerous manner. Your ND proved that.


122 posted on 02/05/2011 9:31:45 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon

I am glad you do not presume to lecture anyone since you don’t know squat about handguns.

There are a few revolvers, mostly old Colt Peacemakers in which the gun can fire when dropped on the hammer. The vast majority of modern revolvers will not fire if dropped on the hammer.

I will never say a 1911 will not fire if dropped on the hammer but even those made without a firing pin safety should not fire if dropped on the hammer, especially if the hammer is down.

Unless the firing pin is too long this is theoretically not possible. Also the grip safety would prevent that happening.

You see, in most guns made since 1900, there is either a safety block between the hammer and firing pin or there is a transfer bar which requires the trigger to be pulled before the hammer can contact the firing pin.

In all Colt Automatics made since 1980, there is a firing pin block which also prevents the firing pin to move forward.

Now my old Unique .22 does not have a firing pin block and I am not sure how long the firing pin is tho technically it should be short enough that the hammer when down will not fire the gun even if dropped.

Despite all these safety devices, it is still a good idea not to drop your handgun.


123 posted on 02/05/2011 9:50:41 AM PST by yarddog
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To: yarddog

You might want to read this, especially the part about condition 2.

http://www.sightm1911.com/lib/tech/cockedandlocked.htm


124 posted on 02/05/2011 11:27:42 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: yarddog

And this:
http://www.sightm1911.com/Care/1911_conditions.htm

Condition Two is problematic for several reasons, and is the source of more negligent discharges than the other conditions. When you rack the slide to chamber a round in the 1911, the hammer is cocked and the manual safety is off. There is no way to avoid this with the 1911 design. In order to lower the hammer, the trigger must be pulled and the hammer lowered slowly with the thumb onto the firing pin, the end of which is only a few millimeters away from the primer of a live round. Should the thumb slip, the hammer would drop and fire the gun. Not only would a round be launched in circumstances which would be at best embarrassing and possibly tragic, but also the thumb would be behind the slide as it cycled, resulting in serious injury to the hand. A second problem with this condition is that the true 1911A1 does not have a firing pin block and an impact on the hammer which is resting on the firing pin could conceivably cause the gun to go off, although actual instances of this are virtually nonexistent. Finally, in order to fire the gun, the hammer must be manually cocked, again with the thumb. In an emergency situation, this adds another opportunity for something to go wrong and slows the acquisition of the sight picture.


125 posted on 02/05/2011 11:34:49 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: RKV

SS tends to carry Sig 229 pistols in 357 Sig caliber.


126 posted on 02/05/2011 12:11:02 PM PST by Armedanddangerous (Montani Semper Liberi)
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To: TaMoDee

Tee-Hee! :)


127 posted on 02/05/2011 6:02:53 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: yarddog

“I have to remind myself sometimes to never get complacent tho.”

It IS fun to think that shootin’ is just like in the movies. But that’s a d@mn good way to hurt yourself, LOL!


128 posted on 02/05/2011 6:04:40 PM PST by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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