Skip to comments.Record U.S.meat prices to make dining tables leaner:Reuters poll
Posted on 02/04/2011 11:27:46 PM PST by FromLori
U.S. cattle and hog futures are expected to hit record highs this year, a Reuters Polls showed, setting the stage for less meat on the dining table.
The expected higher prices could make it harder for many countries to tamp down surging inflation and calm citizens angered by record high food prices. Already, there have been riots and protests in some North African countries.
Grain prices have been forecast to remain stubbornly high as well this year, with two straight years of high prices seen as the latest sign in the end of cheap food.
"There is going to be less meat per person in 2011, quite a bit less," said Ron Plain, an University of Missouri agricultural economist. "That should push up prices."
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I bought five turkeys at Thanksgiving. Gotta get them canned.
Yeah... if food prices ever skyrocket here expect unrest and rioters to start burning down government offices. We’ve been spared that misfortune so far. Most countries subsidize staple food prices to keep a lid on discontent because it could be explosive.
It’s amazing to me what it costs now to make a plain ole pot of chili with 2 pounds of meat. Last time I tried 1 1/2 pounds and added more beans.
Food scarcity has been the key ingredient in revolutionary unrest for centuries.
I’ve been selling calves and buying pork or chicken for the house. We used to butcher beeves but it doesn’t pencil out as good now, better to take the cash.
Hogs are way high now. We do try to put 3-5 deer in the freezer every year.
Miss eating the beef, but no one is losing weight yet.
Then one might imagine that a certain regime’s intentional destruction of its country’s currency through hyperinflation will probably have the desired effect for a “fundamental transformation”.
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“Food scarcity has been the key ingredient in revolutionary unrest for centuries.”
Yea, and on top of high unemployment, near depression, and rising prices.
I expect it to get much worse.
It is a good time not to be back in the USSA.
I saw two or three articles in the last few days talking about civil unrest coming here.
We’re all going to take a hit with the rising prices. But with a little savvy I think the worst of it can be avoided.
My parents taught me how to cook, and how to cook frugally, from an early age. There’s a lot of good eating to be found in cheaper ‘off-cuts’ like pork neck bones. And chicken backs and necks can still be had for a pittance if you can find a store that still carries them. You’ll never taste a better chicken soup than one made with a rich homemade stock and the ‘pickins’ from a bunch of necks and backs.
Buying in bulk helps, too. I love pork more than any other meat, so I usually buy a whole loin in cryovac at Sam’s or Costco and cut it up for chops and roasts. Whole boston butt/pork shoulder is even cheaper. I use shoulder for everything from homemade Italian sausage to grilling to simmering a big hunk of it with sauerkraut and wine.
Don’t tell Helicopter Ben!
How do you can a turkey ?
Cut it up, raw pack it or precook it and run it through
the pressure caner, very easy to do!
Thanks a ton :)
Fishing is Free? Where? Have you bought all of your permits yet, and lures and bait and gas for the boat?
“How do you can a turkey ?
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Give it a pink slip and severance pay.
I did the hunting math too - between your license, travel and butchering venison can be over $2 per pound, (at least in NY)
“eah... if food prices ever skyrocket here expect unrest and rioters to start burning down government offices”
The difference will be that those on the government dole will be given meat while those who are working will go without. Control the food supply and control; the serfs.
Old proverb: "you don't burn food!"
We'll be forced to start withholding our food from the people who eat it and don't pay for it. Specifically, welfare cases and government employees.
What a shame.
I bought five turkeys at Thanksgiving. Gotta get them canned.
In tough times when the shtf, it will be about getting the protein. Spices can make up the difference from defatting the meats for flavor. Defatting keeps the meats from becoming rancid after dehydrated.
“Yeah... if food prices ever skyrocket here expect unrest and rioters to start burning down government offices. “
Naa - we’d up the food stamp level. Never a problem here, at least for people that get free food. Others, maybe you have a point.
Some simple and incontrovertible facts. First, inflation is a tax, and it is both inefficient and (perhaps for this reason) typically an act of desperation.
Second, there is little way to escape inflation taxes unless one withdraws in whole or in part from the market system. And because some people — usually those who are most affluent — can put their wealth into illiquid forms (i.e., far removed from the monetary system), it is quite inefficient, arbitrary, and regressive. Wealth can be hidden in illiquid forms. Income usually can not and so it hits the working poor disproportionately.
Third, this is all well known to economists on both the left and right. For a Democratic administration to resort in such great measure to inflation is tantamount to intellectual and ideological treason. And yet they do it.
Fourth, inflation isn’t the underlying problem, in that it is merely the immediate manifestation of a country that is bankrupt and often out of fear has compromised and degraded its basic values — and I mean that quite literally. Devaluing the currency is only the most transparent manifestation of a general degradation of values.
Thank you for reading my little recitation of Macro-Econ 101 first principles.
You've just illustrated a great example of hedonic adjustments to your own personal food prices. Less quality and more effort but rated equivalent to prime rib.
That is not correct. Ethanol from corn is not the reason for higher corn prices and meat prices. Humans consume less than 12 percent of what is produced in the US. The balance is produced for cattle and other products and basically unpalatable to the human palate.
The primary by product from a gran ethanol plant is highly enriched cattle feed. Basically, you are taking out the crap from corn that does not benefit the cattle diet and end up with a byproduct quite good for cattle. It is added to the normal ration of cattle actually and in ideal cases can increase the weight gain productivity up to 10 percent.
In fact, there is a glut of distilled grains available to cattle producers from ethanol plants and it is selling well below its market value. We export several hundred million tons to China alone.
The reason for higher food prices including corn, meat, etc. is the higher price of oil and the current manipulation of financial markets. When you devalue currency, which is what is happening in the US and around the world, commodity, including food prices, goes up.
It is a major part of it. One of my long time friends is a hog farmer and the price he has to pay for corn is virtually putting him out of business.
I live here in Iowa and am closely aware of it.
After being processed, the "left-overs" are almost pure fiber and don't have as much food value as is being "spun" about it. That info from an Iowa State University experimental farm about four miles from here.
You may want to check this out:
To the relief of hog farmers, prices have eased a bit lately, but not by much.
Gee, and here they’ve been subsidizing food-to-fuel conversion. Yeah, that was a good idea; right up there with shutting down irrigation in CA.
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Thank you for posting it I think it’s a great breakdown and I agree.
“Go fishing, it’s FREE!”
Not where we live. You have to pay for a license. If you are caught fishing or crabbing without one, there is a hefty fine. Sigh....
"Meat was the next food item to be controlled. A ration of two pounds per person per week became effective in May. [ca 1943] Consumers needed to present small blue tokens to receive the rationed portion from a meat dealer. On 4 May Meatless Tuesday for public eating-places was introduced. Anyone keeping meat in a cold storage locker had to declare it by 30 June. On top of these controls, it became mandatory for butchers to follow new rules for cutting meat."
An interesting read for those who haven't gone through this drill, and may be a template for the future, is HERE.
Must have a pressure canner. This assumes quart jars, cut the salt and pepper in half for pint jars.
Cut the raw meat from the bone, putting it into clean jars. Once full, add 1 tsp salt (adjust to taste) and 1/2 tsp pepper, fill with water or broth, put on lids/rings and pressure can according to your canner instructions. This is “raw pack”.
You can cook the turkey (like you would a chicken for soup), bone it, put the meat and broth into clean jars. If you seasoned the broth, you don’t need to add any spices to the jars. If you didn’t season the broth, add the 1 tsp salt and 1/2 tsp pepper to each jar. Add the lids/rings and pressure can according to your canner instructions.
The Ball Blue Book covers this, as do most “how-to” books that come with the canners.
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As in Egypt so will we end up in a few short years.
People will have a big problem in the US putting food on the table sooner than later.
But thanks to a bunch of dead folks and people who vote numerous times per election we have “hope and chains”