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Another Mistake in The New York Times
Fox News ^ | February 5, 2011 | John R. Lott Jr.

Posted on 02/05/2011 9:49:18 AM PST by JohnRLott

Since the tragedy in Tucson, the New York Times has started an all-out campaign for gun control, with a relentless number of pieces -- news, editorials, and op-eds. In its advocacy, even the news stories are heavily biased by selectively quoting only academics who support pro-gun control positions. These seemingly unbiased sources are then contrasted with opposing views from clearly biased people on the other side, such as an NRA spokesman or a right-wing politician. The implied conclusion: scientific evidence favors gun control, but self-interest stands in the way.

Take two recent news stories by Michael Luo (here and here). He quotes seven academics who agreed with the New York Times position, but no one on the other side was even interviewed. Talk about misrepresenting academic opinion. The overwhelming majority of studies actually supports the claim that more guns mean less crime. Among peer-reviewed studies in academic journals, criminologists and economists studying right-to-carry laws have produced 18 national studies showing that these laws reduce violent crime, 10 indicate no discernible effect and none finds a bad effect from the law. One would never guess that 294 academics from institutions as diverse as Harvard, Stanford, Northwestern, the University of Pennsylvania, and UCLA released an open letter to Congress during 1999 warning that new gun laws were “ill advised.”

A frequent claim in these recent New York Times articles has been that more guns mean more gun deaths (see also here). . .

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1 posted on 02/05/2011 9:49:23 AM PST by JohnRLott
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To: JohnRLott
I like Chris Rocks idea ,

"Bullet control, if a bullet costs $5000, no more Innocent bystanders, if someone gets shot, everybody will say, damn, he must'a done something, they just put $50,000 worth of bullets in his a$$!

2 posted on 02/05/2011 9:54:31 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Db0Y4qIZ4PA&NR=1


3 posted on 02/05/2011 9:54:55 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm
Chris Rock is a vile arch-liberal tool of Satan, like most of his Hollywood commie cabal. Anyone who watches him, much less "likes" him, probably has some unresolved conservative issues. You wouldn't be a Lib Troll, would you?

$5,000 a bullet sounds like a good idea to you? 'Nuff said.

Thanks for the tip-off.

;-\

4 posted on 02/05/2011 10:02:19 AM PST by Gargantua (Palin ~ West 2012... Demand Exceptional--America deserves the best)
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To: JohnRLott

There are three things we know as absolute fact;

1. Violent crime has been trending down for several years.
2. 2009 was a banner year for gun sales.
3. Volent crime was again down for 2009.

We can argue till the cows come home as to weather or not more guns = less crime, but it cannot be argued that more guns = more crime.


5 posted on 02/05/2011 10:06:37 AM PST by umgud
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To: umgud

Bloooomberg banning salt, smoking in the parks...
coming soon: ban on forks and knives
RATs can breathe for free


6 posted on 02/05/2011 10:13:26 AM PST by Leo Carpathian (fffffFRrrreeeeepppeeee-ssed!)
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To: Gargantua

How not to get your *** kicked by the police?

The man has done a public service for us all.


7 posted on 02/05/2011 10:16:11 AM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: de.rm

I like the idea of making it cost $5000 to watch a Chris Rock routine.


8 posted on 02/05/2011 10:17:11 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: JohnRLott

If you don’t like guns then move to England they can’t have them..or any of your other countries..Since here we have the right to have guns..So go blow it out your ear moron..

“When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own homestead, his possessions are undisturbed.” Luke 11:21

“And He said to them, ‘But now, let him who has a purse take it along, likewise also a bag, and let him who has no sword sell his robe and buy one.’” Luke 22:36

“The right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed. A well-regulated militia, composed of the body of the people, trained to arms, is the best and most natural defense of a free country...”
and,
“Americans need never fear their government because of the advantage of being armed, which the Americans possess over the people of almost every other nation.” James Madison.


9 posted on 02/05/2011 10:17:51 AM PST by PLD
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To: Gargantua
He's speakin' the truth most pure & metaphorically, that's all.

Some kids "can't handle the truth!{w/o water & pablum}

No , Mr. Namecaller, I'm just a normal person, I don't live under a bridge or in a van down by the river.

10 posted on 02/05/2011 10:17:58 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: JohnRLott
A couple of articles in the Times point to a University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine survey claiming that those who carry guns are far likelier to get shot—and killed—than those who are unarmed. This fails to ask why people carry guns in the first place.

When people who should know better confuse correlation and causation I begin to suspect their objectivity.

11 posted on 02/05/2011 10:23:49 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: JohnRLott
I respect your thinking and agree with your point of view.

But I think you've misused the word "tragedy". An Act of God that takes innocent life is a "tragedy" - what happened in Tuscan was mass murder or "murders".

12 posted on 02/05/2011 10:24:56 AM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Hail To The Fail-In-Chief)
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To: de.rm

I like Chris Rocks idea
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You are going to get flamed by all the FR’s with no sense of humor but it is a funny routine. Some hardcores won’t believe it but you can actually be a conservative and laugh at liberal comedy and not be a socialist.


13 posted on 02/05/2011 10:28:22 AM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: JohnRLott
One columnist, Nicholas Kristof, claimed that in the seven years after Australia banned some types of handguns and rifles "the firearm homicide rate was almost halved." But note that he does not point to overall homicides. He has good reason to avoid that statistic, as there was no decline in overall homicides during that period. Criminals simply shifted to other ways of killing their victims.

Wouldn't it be pertinent to point out that the firearm homicide rate should have been 0%, not 50%, if the ban were based on reality and logic. Banning firearms to eliminate gun related crime assumes that only law abiding people commit crimes. Typical liberal logic.

14 posted on 02/05/2011 10:28:56 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: lp boonie

You are a Communist for saying that.


15 posted on 02/05/2011 10:29:36 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Gargantua

Chris Rock is a conservative & lives in New Jersey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4xg4v54S2o&NR=1


16 posted on 02/05/2011 10:29:50 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm

You are a Nazi for saying that.


17 posted on 02/05/2011 10:33:58 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

You are a Mennonite for saying that.


18 posted on 02/05/2011 10:35:17 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

You are a Communist for saying that.
_________________________
Cuaght me. Damn.


19 posted on 02/05/2011 10:36:00 AM PST by lp boonie (Good judgment comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgment)
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To: Psycho_Bunny

You are Irish for saying that.


20 posted on 02/05/2011 10:36:31 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: lp boonie

You can tell a Commie easy. They’re the ones who use vowels and consonants in their posts.


21 posted on 02/05/2011 10:39:04 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: JohnRLott

Why do you think Bloomberg sent agents to Ariozona and publicly stated that they bought guns there illegally.

He is buying the New York times loyalty for his next campaign run.


22 posted on 02/05/2011 10:39:10 AM PST by Venturer
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To: Gargantua; de.rm
Chris Rock is a vile arch-liberal tool of Satan, like most of his Hollywood commie cabal. Anyone who watches him, much less "likes" him, probably has some unresolved conservative issues. You wouldn't be a Lib Troll, would you?

Judge not that ye be not judged!

He who lives by the sword dies by the sword.

23 posted on 02/05/2011 10:42:06 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: lp boonie
Actually, it was everything after the "I like Chris Rocks idea" part that I disagreed with. Who is supposed to make the bullets cost $5000? By what right do they have to do this? What if you make your own? Lets hear how this genius' brilliant idea will be implemented.

I like my 3 year old's idea better. She thinks that bullets should be made out of rainbows and cotton candy. In fact, right after I start some threads on the revolt in Egypt and partial birth abortion I'm going to start a thread on that idea so that folks can discuss the merits of her suggestion.

24 posted on 02/05/2011 10:47:21 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: Lazamataz

If you are unable to admit that you understand & enjoy Chris Rock, you are part of the problem.
Maybe not the flamin’ front end of the problem, but part and parcel of the under’lie’in’ support system.
Please do some work on yourself, do it for the rest of us!
You are like, when a homeless person comes up, oooh gaaawd, please find someplace to take a shower!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wESrtAdYdn0&feature=related


25 posted on 02/05/2011 10:47:21 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm

Nazi. Go salute your beloved swastika, you Hitler worshiping brownshirt. Einz zwei drie feir


26 posted on 02/05/2011 10:53:52 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: Lazamataz

I’m still lookin’, but everything I see speaks conserative. I like raw and rough humor. I agree with Gen. Patton; a real gentleman should be able to cuss for three minutes straight without repeating himself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXJJFT9GZwY&NR


27 posted on 02/05/2011 10:57:00 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: Lazamataz
You are a Mennonite for saying that.

Why .... why.... why, I never!

What is a Mennonite anyway? Is it one who uses that underarm deodorant stick? Couldn't be me, I don't use deodorant.

28 posted on 02/05/2011 10:58:15 AM PST by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done needs to be done by the government.)
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To: nitzy
I like the idea of making it cost $5000 to watch a Chris Rock routine.

Good one...

29 posted on 02/05/2011 11:00:46 AM PST by GOPJ (http://hisz.rsoe.hu/alertmap/index2.php - World Disaster Map)
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To: de.rm

Conservatives don’t live in New Jersey. Even the most right leaning people there are far to the left of Conservatives in free states.


30 posted on 02/05/2011 11:01:13 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: de.rm

“If you are unable to admit that you understand & enjoy Chris Rock, you are part of the problem.”

Guess I’m part of the problem. He’s a no talent foul mouthed actor wanna be.


31 posted on 02/05/2011 11:02:17 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: de.rm
If you are unable to admit that you understand & enjoy Chris Rock, you are part of the problem

I am ABLE to admit that I DO NOT understand nor enjoy that joke. Does that make me part of the problem? You lost me.

For a joke to be funny there needs to be some grain of truth behind it. It is obvious Chris Rock has never given a second thought to the issues concerning gun control or the manufacture and sale of ammunition or the rights protected by the 2nd amemendment.

32 posted on 02/05/2011 11:02:41 AM PST by nitzy (A just law does not punish virtue nor reward vice.)
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To: Slings and Arrows

A couple of articles in the Times point to a University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine survey claiming that those who carry guns are far likelier to get shot—and killed—than those who are unarmed. This fails to ask why people carry guns in the first place.

When people who should know better confuse correlation and causation I begin to suspect their objectivity.


Yes. That study was on a par with “because people who go to hospitals have a higher death rate than those who don’t, hospitals are bad for your health.”

It essentially found that people who live in crappy neighborhoods fear crime, and get guns, but still suffer more crime than people who live in good neighborhoods. The conclusion the gun grabbers draw from this is akin to believing that buying a gun will relocate you to a dangerous neighborhood.


33 posted on 02/05/2011 11:08:39 AM PST by Atlas Sneezed ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: Beelzebubba

The NYT only has two criteria for printing something. The first is “Will it help the agenda we’re trying to push?” The second is “Can we get away with it?” Note that “Is it true?” is not in the criteria. All of the NYT stories for the next twenty years are already written. They just wait for an event to occur so they can strap their agenda laden article to it.


34 posted on 02/05/2011 11:13:56 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Gargantua

well, in one of his routines,(which he no longer performs) he got it right.


35 posted on 02/05/2011 11:17:31 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: driftdiver

What makes Chris Rock so hilarious is that his commentary not only rings true but hits upon feelings and thoughts most of us have but are often afraid to express in today’s “politically correct” atmosphere. Chris Rock is a very intelligent comedian that shows you a vision of the world we tend to hide or ignore. All of Rock’s material is solid and most of it is intelligent and thought-provoking. If you can have an open mind you can enjoy his message.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n8BtHZWGB8c&feature=related


36 posted on 02/05/2011 11:18:44 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: Beelzebubba

The population of England increased steadly in the 19th Century. World banana production increased steadly in the 19th Century. Therefore, if you wish to increase the population of England, grow more bananas.


37 posted on 02/05/2011 11:19:15 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: de.rm

“If you can have an open mind you can enjoy his message.”

Ah so if you don’t like Chris Rock then you are close minded intolerant, bitter, and probably a redneck.

You are quite a piece of work.


38 posted on 02/05/2011 11:21:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-XZQLwDkM84&feature=related


39 posted on 02/05/2011 11:26:06 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: de.rm
His funniest routine, in my opinion.
40 posted on 02/05/2011 11:27:44 AM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: Slings and Arrows

No, you have it backwards! If you want to grow more bananas, increase the population of England! ;-)


41 posted on 02/05/2011 11:42:25 AM PST by marktwain
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To: marktwain

*finger_snap* Of course!


42 posted on 02/05/2011 11:57:34 AM PST by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: de.rm

He is not speaking the truth. A ban (or a restriction which is effectively a ban) on ammunition is just as unconstitutional as a ban (or a restriction which is effectively a ban) on firearms since it renders the firearm useless.

In your spare time, try reading up on the McDonald v. Chicago and D.C. v. Heller decisions instead of rotting your brain with inane stand-up routines.


43 posted on 02/05/2011 12:19:08 PM PST by OA5599
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To: OA5599

. . . uh, it’s comedy, lossen your corset laces, you ain’t breathing enough . .

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ewRdf9GWuSo&feature=related


44 posted on 02/05/2011 12:25:56 PM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: BenKenobi
How not to get your *** kicked by the police?

Here's a taser testimonial for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aTd471QNwTc

45 posted on 02/05/2011 12:36:06 PM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: Mind-numbed Robot
"Judge not that ye be not judged!"

"He who lives by the sword dies by the sword."

Stitch in time saves nine.

Whole ball of wax.

Hell bent for leather.

8^D

46 posted on 02/05/2011 1:19:27 PM PST by Gargantua (Palin ~ West 2012... Demand Exceptional--America deserves the best)
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To: lp boonie
"You are going to get flamed by all the FR’s with no sense of humor but it is a funny routine."

It has nothing to do with whether "the routine was funny", and everything to do with his statement that he agrees with Chakka Mandingo that bullets should cost $5,000. Bonecap.

It's called addressing the issue, not trying to change the subject... a typical liberal tactic, by the way. Bukkaki O'Bunghole does it all the time. But then you knew that, huh?

8^D

47 posted on 02/05/2011 1:26:11 PM PST by Gargantua (Palin ~ West 2012... Demand Exceptional--America deserves the best)
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To: Mind-numbed Robot

Sex is bad cause it leads to dancing.


48 posted on 02/05/2011 1:31:54 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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To: Lazamataz

I love you Laz, in a platonic sort of way.


49 posted on 02/05/2011 1:32:28 PM PST by wxgesr (I want to be the first person to surf on another planet.)
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To: Lazamataz

No wonder Poland revolted.


50 posted on 02/05/2011 1:37:38 PM PST by BenKenobi (one of the worst mistakes anybody can make is to bet against Americans.")
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