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U.S. Envoy to Egypt: Mubarak 'Must Stay' for Now (Obama Humiliated by Special Envoy)
The Hill ^ | Saturday, February 5, 2011 | Bridget Johnson

Posted on 02/05/2011 1:59:09 PM PST by kristinn

Amid calls for President Hosni Mubarak to not wait until the end of his term to step down, the U.S. special envoy to Egypt told the Munich Security Conference that the 30-year ruler needs to stick around fro now.

Frank Wisner, a former ambassador to Egypt deployed there this past week to apparently urge Mubarak to hand over the reins, said Saturday that the transition "is an ideal moment for him to show the way forward."

Wisner spoke to the conference via video link from New York.

"We need to get a national consensus around the pre-conditions for the next step forward. The president must stay in office to steer those changes," he said.

"I believe that President Mubarak's continued leadership is critical -- it's his chance to write his own legacy," Wisner added, according to reports.

President Obama also referred to Mubarak's legacy Friday in appealing for him to make "the right decision" and "make a judgment about a pathway forward that is orderly but also meaningful and serious."

Wisner said caution should be exercised in the transition because "this is a very volatile and dangerous time."

"The more Egyptians hear from the outside world that the president's got to go, and this has got to happen, that's got to happen, we create a negative force inside of Egypt itself," he said in arguing that rhetoric shouldn't get out of control.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Israel; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: amateur; egypt; egyptcrisis; fecklessadmin; foreignpolicy; frankwisner; haitiredux; israel; kenyanbornmoslem; mubarak; muslimbrotherhood; obama; obamafail; obamateur; obamunism; outofcontrol; rhetoric; warforterror; waronterror; wisner
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Response via AFP: U.S.: Frank Wisner wasn't speaking on behalf of gov't
1 posted on 02/05/2011 1:59:14 PM PST by kristinn
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To: kristinn

If he wasn’t going to be speaking for the US government, they shouldn’t have sent them. The gang that couldn’t shoot straight.


3 posted on 02/05/2011 2:04:10 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: kristinn

Sit! Stay! No, stay!...Good autocrat.


4 posted on 02/05/2011 2:05:47 PM PST by RichInOC (No! BAD Rich! (What'd I say?))
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To: kristinn
It's very difficult to keep the diplomats talking the official line when there either there is no official line or the directions from the top are so abhorrent that the minions can't voice them in public.
5 posted on 02/05/2011 2:06:34 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: kristinn

Administration shoots self in foot?


6 posted on 02/05/2011 2:08:13 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: kristinn

If we can’t figure out what the Administration’s position is, how can the rest of the World?

Forget it, World, it’s only the Obama Administration talking.


7 posted on 02/05/2011 2:08:49 PM PST by popdonnelly (If Obama improves education, who'll vote for him?)
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To: Diogenesis

and why isnt hillarys head not on a paltter?


8 posted on 02/05/2011 2:11:09 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: Walkingfeather
and why isnt hillarys head not on a paltter?

'Cause it's not as funny as letting her be the one to make that call to Hussein at 3 o'clock in the morning. She's worth keeping around just for that.

9 posted on 02/05/2011 2:20:16 PM PST by Brass Lamp
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To: edpc

How long before this guy gets thrown under Barry’s bus?


10 posted on 02/05/2011 2:21:09 PM PST by milwguy
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To: Pan_Yan
Indeed. This is what a "leadership vacuum" looks like. Reminiscent of the vacillation and wishy-wash during the oil spill last summer.

Obama may be a clever campaigner but he is no leader. The world is getting closer to being out of control, and he has not a clue.

11 posted on 02/05/2011 2:21:48 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: milwguy

Well, saying he’s not speaking for the admin shows they’re at least getting a good grip for the throw...


12 posted on 02/05/2011 2:23:10 PM PST by edpc (It's Kräusened)
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To: kristinn

Good grief. This is embarrassing, even by OBama standards.


13 posted on 02/05/2011 2:31:16 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: popdonnelly

The Bamster is at best a puppet. This is about as deeply as he thinks. He cannot really do anything, cause there ARE people who know about his background, and can blow him out of the water in one day. There are people who know his true history. They know why he has multiple Social Security numbers. There are people who have his financial aid records, probably showing he got into college as a foreign student. There are people who know what his real name is. He does what he's told and takes a lot of vacations. If it's more complicated than eating ice cream, Obama can't handle it.

Currently, there is no Administration position on Egypt, cause Obama hasn't been told what his position on Egypt is, yet.

14 posted on 02/05/2011 2:31:47 PM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: All

These people have no idea what they are doing.


15 posted on 02/05/2011 2:37:06 PM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: kristinn
I've come to the conclusion that it's dangerous and impossible to attempt to democratize a country in which a significant portion of the population subscribes to a fundamentally totalitarian ideology, such as Islamism (the same would hold for Facism, Communism, and the like).

Even if the majortiy rejects the ideology, a large enough, well-organized minority that is willing to use violence and intimindation will ultimately prevail and impose it on the nation. We need look no futher than Germany, Lebanon, and Gaza for proof of this proposition.

For this reason, we should NOT support open democracy in Egypt or any other country that has a sizeable Islamist presence. Period.

In other words, we need an Arab Attaturk.

16 posted on 02/05/2011 2:37:32 PM PST by curiosity
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To: Walkingfeather

Because she’s not in charge of her department and never has been.

I have never liked her or her ideas, but I thought she actually did have some backbone and was not an idiot. I guess I was wrong on both counts.

Hillary made her career by being married to an important guy (he may have been a corrupt idiot, but that doesn’t matter - he was politically adept) and supporting him no matter what.

Once Bambi appointed her as SOS, she knew that it was time for her to shut up and wait for direction. That never came, and when it did come, I think it was so anti-American that not even Hillary’s odious husband could accept it.

So I think the Wisner event may actually not be a simple matter of miscommunication or confusion, but that the worm may actually have turned.

I could definitely be wrong - the worm may go back to ground and Bambi’s irrationality may rule the day - but this was an encouraging sign of disruption in Bambi’s agenda.


17 posted on 02/05/2011 2:38:04 PM PST by livius
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To: kristinn

“”US State Department spokesman PJ Crowley: “We have great respect for Frank Wisner and we were deeply appreciative of his willingness to travel to Egypt last week. He has not continued in any official capacity following the trip. The views he expressed today are his own. He did not coordinate his comments with the U.S. government.”””

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Not good when State Department has to denounce Obama’s envoy.

That does not play well, even the leftist MSM will take notice of Obama’s incompetence.


18 posted on 02/05/2011 2:40:16 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Richard Kimball

Just let him eat his waffle cone.


19 posted on 02/05/2011 2:42:27 PM PST by Shelayne (He who testifies to these things says, "Yes, I am coming quickly" Amen. Come, Lord Jesus! *Rev 22:20)
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To: Richard Kimball
Currently, there is no Administration position on Egypt, cause Obama hasn't been told what his position on Egypt is, yet.

He's waiting for The Teleprompter to fill him in...

20 posted on 02/05/2011 2:43:19 PM PST by Third Person
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
...even the leftist MSM will take notice of Obama’s incompetence.

A person who was demoralized is unable to assess true information. The facts tell nothing to him, even if I shower him with information, with authentic proof, with documents and pictures. ...he will refuse to believe it.... That's the tragedy of the situation of demoralization.

-Yuri Bezmenov

21 posted on 02/05/2011 2:43:23 PM PST by Pan_Yan
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To: Presbyterian Reporter

Even some of Obama’s supporters are starting to realize he is in way over his head and are no longer willing to toe the company line.


22 posted on 02/05/2011 2:45:14 PM PST by milwguy
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
That does not play well, even the leftist MSM will take notice of Obama’s incompetence.

One hopes so, but I am not counting on it. I do hope the international community takes note, though.

23 posted on 02/05/2011 2:48:08 PM PST by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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To: gloryblaze

The leaders of the world have known the Beige Clown is an incompetent pretender since the beginning. They are embarrassed for America and bide their in silence

Now everyone must admit the debacle.


24 posted on 02/05/2011 2:56:09 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Diogenesis

25 posted on 02/05/2011 2:57:36 PM PST by Third Person
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To: gloryblaze

“””U.K. Prime Minister David Cameron supported Egyptians’ demand for reform but stopped short of calling for President Hosni Mubarak to step down immediately. “I don’t think we in the West should be the ones to point fingers and say it’s this leader or that leader who has to go now or start now,” Mr. Cameron said. “We should say that we back countries that are putting in place the building blocks of civil society, and that’s exactly what we’re doing in Egypt.”””

Merkel and Cameron have rebuked Obama.


26 posted on 02/05/2011 3:00:24 PM PST by Presbyterian Reporter
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To: Presbyterian Reporter
“We have great respect for Frank Wisner and we were deeply appreciative of his willingness to travel to Egypt last week. He has not continued in any official capacity following the trip. The views he expressed today are his own. He did not coordinate his comments with the U.S. government.”

Amb. Wisner had been sent to achieve an impossible goal. He was not likely surprised to be refused a second appointment by Mubarek.

Today, Amb Wisner protected his reputation.

Obama is still upside down on Egypt and is contrary to the position of every nation except Iran.

Obama currently poses an immediate risk for world peace and a threat to U.S. interests in the Arab world.

27 posted on 02/05/2011 3:01:27 PM PST by Kennard (io)
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To: bert
The leaders of the world have known the Beige Clown is an incompetent pretender since the beginning. They are embarrassed for America and bide their in silence Now everyone must admit the debacle.

I have read pieces to that effect. But I also visit discussion groups where many lofty Europeans and Canadians, and lofty US libs can't praise his brillance high enough. These are topic related, viz., Antiques and Agriculture, my areas of interest, where politics are secondary. It is mind-numbing.

28 posted on 02/05/2011 3:07:17 PM PST by gloryblaze (Don't forget to donate and keep FR going strong!)
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To: popdonnelly

And we don’t listen to obungler either, world.


29 posted on 02/05/2011 3:08:43 PM PST by Let's Roll (Save the world's best healthcare - REPEAL, DEFUND Obamacare!)
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To: kristinn

Wow, this is so funny it could pass for an April Fool’s posting. Obama has to be the biggest idiot to ever set foot inside the White House. It could not happen to a nicer guy.


30 posted on 02/05/2011 3:26:45 PM PST by CdMGuy
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To: Kennard

“Today, Amb Wisner protected his reputation.”

You are certainly correct.
Of course, publically contradicting the “most powerful man in the world” on a global scale takes some guts.
Notwithstanding P.J.’s comments, Wisner’s principal in this instance, Hillary (and her faction), may have assured him of cover before he left on his assignment.


31 posted on 02/05/2011 3:28:29 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: Pan_Yan

Yah, but—The One is watching the Super Bowl with Jennifer Lopez!

That’s what’s important.

We must keep our priorities straight.


32 posted on 02/05/2011 3:39:50 PM PST by Palladin (Obama, go back to Hawaii! Better yet, go back to Kenya!!)
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To: kristinn

Well !! Frank, you just blew any chance of ever working for Obama again. Thats what telling the truth to the Muslim Fake President get’s you.

I do appreiate the truth though.


33 posted on 02/05/2011 3:52:04 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Kennard
Today, Amb Wisner protected his reputation.

Indeed. Wisner's father, Frank, Sr., ran the OSS in southern Europe during WWII. After the war, he was head of the Directorate of Plans.

The other day, Christiane Amanpour managed to interview Mubarak and his son (and also Vice President Suleiman). Mubarak said he was tired of public life after six decades and wanted to quit but couldn't right now, because the country would be plunged into chaos, and the the Muslim Brotherhood would end up in power. They also denied that Mubarak's son Gamal was slated to succeed his father as president.

34 posted on 02/05/2011 3:57:43 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: kristinn

This doesn’t fit the Muslim Brotherhood President’s script. He is very very angry.


35 posted on 02/05/2011 4:04:23 PM PST by FreeAtlanta (Obama and the left are making a mockery of our country.)
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To: livius


36 posted on 02/05/2011 4:18:19 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Third Person

37 posted on 02/05/2011 4:21:37 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Walkingfeather

“and why isnt hillarys head not on a paltter?”

Like John the Bpatist?


38 posted on 02/05/2011 4:23:15 PM PST by Panzerlied ("We shall never surrender!")
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To: gloryblaze; All
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39 posted on 02/05/2011 4:34:26 PM PST by Cobra64
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To: Cobra64

I wish she’d confirm it a little louder.

Actually, I don’t think he’s clueless. He just has a different project - and it’s not favorable to the US.


40 posted on 02/05/2011 4:37:27 PM PST by livius
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To: curiosity
Yes, we do need an Ataturk in control of the Egyptian army and the Egyptian state!

Those people cannot be trusted with democracy...they simply cannot govern themselves in an intelligent manner.


41 posted on 02/05/2011 5:11:41 PM PST by Bobalu ( "Israel must be like a mad dog, too dangerous to bother." ..Moshe Dayan:)
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To: edpc

If mu-Barack can’t go, maybe Barack can?


42 posted on 02/05/2011 5:21:48 PM PST by Paladin2
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To: edpc

“is an ideal moment for him to show the way forward.”

Show who the way forward, Obama???

Or Islam? Or both?


43 posted on 02/05/2011 5:26:02 PM PST by Freddd
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To: frog in a pot; Presbyterian Reporter; Kennard

Amb Wisner doesn’t really have to protect his reputation, because his reputation proceeds him. I used to work for him. He calls them as he sees them, and his legacy is intact.

He was the most beloved American Ambassador to Egypt.....ever. Even the Egyptians will tell you that.

And as an example of his leadership and mentorship.....he produced Amb Ryan Crocker: who was his political secretary in the late 80’s.


44 posted on 02/05/2011 5:36:04 PM PST by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: kristinn

He is honestly and strongly implying that Obama needs to zip it, that is continuing demands on Mubarak only serve to humiliate him in public and stir up trouble.


45 posted on 02/05/2011 5:38:15 PM PST by PghBaldy (Like the Ft Hood Killer, James Earl Ray was just stressed when he killed MLK Jr.)
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To: Salvavida
He calls them as he sees them

Fair enough, but Amb. Wisner is a diplomat.

Why would he cross swords with the President?

46 posted on 02/05/2011 5:56:26 PM PST by Kennard (io)
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To: Salvavida; Kennard

He sounds good.

He probably represents the time when being in the Foreign Service was a profession. Ambassadorships now seem to be based entirely on political pay-backs (even leaving out truly glaring cases like the recent fiasco in Luxembourg, which I guess has always been a plum for political contributors).

Obama has very carefully stripped the professionals out of just about every area of the government and replaced them with ideologues or personal loyalists. I guess Wisner somehow escaped his radar.

I’m glad Wisner was principled enough to speak up.


47 posted on 02/05/2011 6:59:11 PM PST by livius
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48 posted on 02/05/2011 7:30:47 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Salvavida
Amb Wisner doesn’t really have to protect his reputation… I used to work for him.

Not all of us here have such a close perspective. Nonetheless, and with perhaps little or no perspective, most on this thread respect the man for fearlessly voicing his professional assessment of the current situation in Egypt.

Many observers around the world believe Obama is selling out an American ally in order to facilitate the succession of an Islamic government. It is refreshing to see a highly regarded professional with impeccable credentials shed light on the event.

It is clear, however, that if Amb Wisner had publicly voiced an opinion that was in conformance with both the position of the State Dept, his principal and the expressed position of his president, that his reputation with those that know and respect him could well have been smashed.

49 posted on 02/05/2011 9:29:42 PM PST by frog in a pot (We need a working definition of "domestic enemies" if the oath of office is to have meaning.)
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To: Third Person

That pretty much nails it


50 posted on 02/06/2011 2:20:06 AM PST by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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