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U.S. Ends High-tech Export Restrictions to India
Wharton Aerospace ^ | 2/4/2011 | Wharton Aerospace

Posted on 02/06/2011 4:05:25 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld

India has now come full circle — from a nation that was under a high-tech embargo for its nuclear weapons program to one receiving an invitation to join a group of nations that regulate export controls.

President Barak Obama says the United States is ending its export restrictions on technology that could be used by India's defense and space industries, according to an article in the AFP.

"These actions will open important new opportunities for our companies and governments on cooperating in the defense and space areas," said Robert Blake, the assistant secretary of state for South Asia.

These are the first public details since Obama announced during his trip to India in November that he would ease restrictions. Some of India's biggest military and aerospace research entities — like the Indian Space Research Organization and the Defense Research and Development Organization — will come off the U.S. black list. India has been under embargo for such technology since its nuclear tests in 1998.

China also wants fewer restrictions on high-tech imports but the U.S. and other countries are still concerned about Beijing's unwillingness to prevent the theft of intellectual property, and its economic and tariff stance on its exports, according to the AFP.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aerospace; exports; india; southasia; usmilitary; ustechnology

1 posted on 02/06/2011 4:05:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

What could go wrong.


2 posted on 02/06/2011 4:10:21 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Nothing. This lifting of that ban can move India away from purchasing their technology from Russia. It also gives us a “back-up” market in case something goes wrong in Pakistan


3 posted on 02/06/2011 4:13:28 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

Well, the last strong domestic manufacturing industry we had, defense weapons, going, going gone.


4 posted on 02/06/2011 4:14:52 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

With H1B Visa’s thanks to our Govt, many of the jobs are already taken by Indian engineers. Why hire American engineers when the company can avoid Federal taxes by hiring H1-B Visa holding engineers from India or China


5 posted on 02/06/2011 4:17:45 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

You have a very good point


6 posted on 02/06/2011 4:18:50 PM PST by ErnstStavroBlofeld
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

India has enough going for it so that it could make a lot of high tech defense equipment itself, but it would probably be more expensive than what we can sell it to them for, and would take some major investment dollars to get started.


7 posted on 02/06/2011 4:21:53 PM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

I work in this industry. I’d never recommend anyone to go into engineering. Layoffs, off-shoring, H1-B Visa engineers come here to be trained, then the department transfers to their home, leaving the American engineers without a job. Dell, HP, Intel, start-ups, it’s industry wide.

You do not see jobs in the medical, legal, or any other discipline with a “magical” Visa assigned to it. Only engineers are screwed over like this. That’s why so many engineers abandon careers in engineering and try to go into something else that will pay the bills down the road.


8 posted on 02/06/2011 4:29:20 PM PST by Hodar (Who needs laws .... when this "feels" so right?)
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To: Hodar

There have been times where I have regretted not pursuing an Engineering discipline. Seeing what is happening to Engineering (among others) is so sad to watch.

The H1B needs to die yesterday. No doubt it has gold plated security as a special interest.


9 posted on 02/06/2011 4:59:24 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld
The Kiss of Death for rocket and satellite manufacturers in the U.S.

Now Antrix and ISRO will steal with abandon: their satellites are outright copies of Ford satellites from the 80's, and their launch vehicles that don't work (bad copies of Ariane 4) will get what they need: a fix.

Why not just blow up the entire U.S. aerospace industry?

How disgusting. These SOB's won't even sign the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. But Hussein gives them anything cuz...they ain't white.

And that means they're on his side.

10 posted on 02/06/2011 5:31:37 PM PST by Regulator (Watch Out! Americans are on the March! America Forever, Mexico Never!)
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To: Hodar
Lots of legal work is being offshored by large firms that then charge US rates for it, as is a vast amount of medical work. As it is the legal market is positively saturated after several years of a bad post-college job market (people still buy the "it opens so many doors" line, not realizing a JD gets you into the legal business. Period.).

Go into the average hospital today and it's a goddamn Tower of Babel, with nurses and doctors and technicians from who knows where. Get a CT scan? It's probably read in India.

Nobody has job security in America anymore. Want to blow off learned professions and drive a truck or do plumbing? Sorry, you get to fight the illegal aliens and refugees from other professions for those jobs. The American middle class is being systematically dismantled. But hey, we can watch American Asshole and the Stupor Bowl, so everything must be A-OK.

I do sympathize with US engineers and programmers. Companies offshore as fast as they can and then justify it by saying there aren't enough grads in America. No shit? You mean people don't pursue degrees in professions where they'll just have the rug pulled out from under them through labor arbitrage? Who'd a thunk it? The higher education bubble is the next to burst.
11 posted on 02/06/2011 5:57:41 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: Regulator

seemz like you are aware of ISRO so much. The so called GSLV aka arian 4 according to you is still in nascent stage ,its not like they blowing everything it just GSLV VEHICLE out of 6 lunch 4 has failed ,there are some problem with russian cryogenic engine,reason for two failed launch. The other vehicle - PSLV is ISRO workhorse ,its has world record of carrying 13 satellites in 1 go. And it has 16 succesful launch including Moon mission.. So better you come up with some numbers instead of fantasy


12 posted on 02/06/2011 6:48:56 PM PST by STARSCREAM1987
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

If this can be done without exporting jobs to India, it would be a good thing.


13 posted on 02/06/2011 6:54:44 PM PST by srajan
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To: Trod Upon

Do USA got any other option beside ending this restriction on India ??? Its only harming america and its industry itself . They restricted ISRO and DRDO etc etc but india got lots of friend in europe and offcourz Russia is one of them. They helped alot alot during our rough patch . So i think its US who need india more india need US.


14 posted on 02/06/2011 7:00:51 PM PST by STARSCREAM1987
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To: Trod Upon

As long as there is ball and beer, the majority of people will not care.


15 posted on 02/06/2011 7:25:21 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Regulator
"their satellites are outright copies of Ford satellites from the 80's"

If there were ever any patents involved in the Ford designs, they've long since expired.

Anybody who wants to copy them are free to do so....as a matter of fact, if the designs worked, they'd be foolish not to do so.
16 posted on 02/06/2011 8:09:01 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Regulator

Those SOBs didn’t sign the NPT because it would require them to give up their nuclear weapons. That’s one very fair treaty.

About Hussein giving them-Bush started this process.


17 posted on 02/06/2011 8:17:47 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: Regulator

The Indian space industry gets enough European and Russian help. Getting mere help will not lower costs of design and commercial production of systems.


18 posted on 02/06/2011 8:20:49 PM PST by sukhoi-30mki
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

My company is on the fast-track to India. It’s troubling but they need Asian manufacturing to facilitate grid restructuring.


19 posted on 02/06/2011 8:35:54 PM PST by eyedigress ((Old storm chaser from the west)?)
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To: ErnstStavroBlofeld

The replies here are quite weird. How on earth does a decision to export products of U.S. companies become one where somehow India takes the jobs? This means more opportunities for American companies to export to India while previously the same orders would have given to European, Russian or Israel. All it does is to remove restrictions on U.S. companies from dealing with major Indian entities.


20 posted on 02/06/2011 9:12:41 PM PST by cold start
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To: cold start

If India is shrewd, it will insist that things sold to it be made in India, even if by American companies. This is like what China does. The profits to America won’t be there, because the money will stay in India to protect it from punitive US taxes.


21 posted on 02/06/2011 9:36:14 PM PST by HiTech RedNeck (I am in America but not of America (per bible: am in the world but not of it))
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To: cold start

The replies here are quite weird. How on earth does a decision to export products of U.S. companies become one where somehow India takes the jobs?


You can’t possibly be that naive. China has picked our pockets for decades through tech transfer. They use the honey pot of ultra cheap labor to reel in our know how and industrial base and then replace us as the manufacturing center of high-tech equipment for the world. India is salivating to imitate their success and repeat the process. Once the US government rubber stamps things like export control on tech, the floodgates are open. Industry rushes over into the cheaper market, spends all their investment money on building the future industrial base overseas, and pockets the tremendous profit that the US political class handed to them. Meanwhile, our country dies the death of a thousand cuts.

“We are going to export our way into more jobs” has never worked because we can’t compete against near slave labor in other countries. This idea is a complete and utter failure. Go look at Detroit (the former heart of the American industrial base) on google maps, it is a wasteland. That is what happens when you ship your industrial base overseas. Permanent unemployment of 20% is here to stay because we have destroyed our economic base for short term profit. We are now the largest debtor nation vs largest creditor nation. This happened in 50 years thanks to “free” trade policies and a political class that cares more about their next big corporate donation for reelection than protecting the future of this country.


22 posted on 02/06/2011 10:37:19 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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To: Gen-X-Dad

I think you are mixing up issues. The sanctions were against Indian government entities like the Defence research & development organisation(DRDO) & the Indian Space Research Organisation(ISRO) & those connected with India’s nuclear program. These have now been lifted along with those on other smaller governmental entities. If sanctions had not been lifted, the U.S. would have effectively shut itself out on large defence deals as well as with a large order for building nuclear plants. The sanctions were on what is called “dual use technologies”. The close relation between the two countries makes the continuations of such sanctions untenable. There is no direct technology transfer & the U.S. will only change its position from “presumption of denial” to that of allowable. Where technology transfer is part of the deal, the U.S. will have a right to decide on each case & the specifics of such transfer.


23 posted on 02/07/2011 1:44:11 AM PST by cold start
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To: STARSCREAM1987

I don’t think so. Right now it is a cheap source of labor, but when you can no longer get 10 Indian engineers for the price of one American, all those jobs will either come back or go somewhere cheaper. Offshoring is false economy in many ways, and people are slowly waking up. I really don’t see how the average American benefits from the status quo. A few large shareholders and executives are enriched, but the rest of us get reduced wages, buggy code, and atrocious customer service. The US doesn’t need more of this at all.


24 posted on 02/07/2011 4:07:30 PM PST by Trod Upon (Obama: Making the Carter malaise look good. Misery Index in 3...2...1)
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To: cold start

You have much more faith in international laws meaning something than I do. Once the Chinese got their hands on the goods they rushed off to reproduce it. Then they even turned around and sued the companies they stole it from as violating their intellectual property. A government that wants to climb the tech ladder has no reason to play by the rules. What are we going to do them? Leave, sue, verbally threaten them? None of that matters, they get what they want because we allow companies to do the tech transfer. Once they can build it and laugh at us, the other multinational companies rush over to have them make it cheaper. The Chinese have perfected this process, India and everyone else is going to imitate them. Meanwhile, we go down as the world’s biggest sucker.


25 posted on 02/13/2011 7:21:16 PM PST by Gen-X-Dad
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