Skip to comments.Factories boom, but with few new workers
Posted on 02/07/2011 10:33:25 AM PST by Nachum
Productivity gains mean many low-skilled workers are shut out
The U.S. manufacturing sector is roaring back after the worst recession in generations. So why arent factory jobs coming back as quickly?
One big reason: Business executives like Drew Greenblatt, owner of Baltimore-based Marlin Steel Wire Products, have figured out how to make more widgets with the same number of workers. To do so, he's had to upgrade the skills and wages of his employees. But his profits are bigger than ever.
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Buried in orders, but can’t deliver, losing their shirts or praying the customers don’t figure out there getting crap. Welcome to the new American industrial age brought to you by hoards of Quickie-MBA Wannabe CEOs.
I hear this all the time from my husband and others. In other words the people who are working are working much harder with more hours, their salary and most are not being compensated.
When all the price support and payments for not growing crops started under FDR is was meant to stop the rapid reduction in farm worker jobs.
Manufacturing jobs have disappeared WORLDWIDE.
Even China with all the manufacturing jobs they added still had a net loss of manufacturing jobs from 1995 to 2005.
By contrast the US in the same period lost fewer manufacturing jobs than any other country, due to productivity gains.
We can blame taxes, regulations, illegals, China, whatever. But the fact is, the world has changed. We have a lot of "stuff", and we don't have a "need" for many of our workers.
There is no an easy fix. We're looking at a large percentage of our population being decidedly unemployable. You can wave a magic wand and make the illegals disappear, but the cold fact remains: our society is in a post-scarcity phase, and we don't know what to do with the workers we don't need.
Everybody will be an entrepreneur.
Those left working are becoming slaves, as they have to take up the slack for all those let go, as the prices of everything they purchase goes up, while their wages remain stagnant, as their benefits are reduces or slashed. The working class, whats left of them, are simple screwed.
This will not end well for anyone.
Service industry, pizza delivery jobs are plentiful.
Get used to it, folks.
Alternatively, over the years dead wood collects and does nothing much more than clutter up the place. The dead wood has been chucked and a general pruning permits new growth.
Real productivity is no longer dampened by unnecessary people
they’re salary. lol In all my years I have never heard so many people who are thankful for their jobs but they are being pushed to do more and work longer hours. There are a lot of miserable people out there. I know a woman who manages a apartment complex and her boss is the most greedy and evil person who sincerely does not care about maintenance of the properties even if the city cites him, he will pay the fines which are cheaper. Because of him the federal subsidizing, hud, canceled their contracts and 26 families had to move in January. He makes it a point to just see how much he can make life miserable for others. He is a liberal elitist from California and believes the rest of the world is beneath him.
When gas goes to $5.00 a gallon, pizza delivery will become a thing of the past....Or the price of pizza doubles, which will probably happen anyway...At that point, the pizza eaters can no longer afforded pizza. A Pizza at that point, with a tip, will cost you $65.00...lol
The union “protects” the wage only as they threaten violence upon the business owner.
The bottom line is that if you do not offer to an employer value, you should not expect to be paid well. Put it another way: If your job is easily mechanized, you should be looking for another line of work.
As the economy in flames is nose diving into the ground, hows that working out for ya bert?
I have a BIG problem with forced membership, federally forced open reporting on how members vote, manipulation of union membership dues to finance elections, elected officials, and voter fraud.
All one has to do is look a video of cars being built. There are thousands and thousands of robots who work better, faster, and cheaper than any human can. No human is ever going to do those jobs again.
Nearly every industry has some ‘robot’ or other mechanical aid taking the place of workers.
Barry just accelerated the switch by attacking companies bottom lines.
My prediction is that inevitably we will all belong to employment “guilds” who will farm people out to various companies for assignments on a temporary basis. Basically the concept of “Just-In-Time” Employment.
It's the name of the game....The employers know they have a never ending line of people who are being choked off....
Lets be honest...
"Work harder for less and less" is the new slogan for the American work place.
But what about Global Warming, surely you don't want the polar bears to die, and the whales to run aground?!
Exactly! A friend of my son is a computer technician who works for a bank, they make his life miserable and control his every move. He is looking for another job but just can’t find another one. He is also NOT making enough money to live on, so now he is talking about joining the military. More young people today are miserable. Even my daughter her job is soo stressful because of management, she too is looking for a new job. She said they are asking her to do more and more even on her days off because of the pressure of the CEO’s that are putting on everybody.
Of course, those that are honest will admit, today's work place is a punitive experience for those left behind...They're over worked, their wages and hours have been reduced, slashed, and their benefits have been decimated..
Instead of pay raises to keep up with ever rising prices, the employers are coming up with schemes of unobtainable incentives, phony commissions and stupid prizes instead of deserved pay raises...
I don’t know. There will always be a need for a core of company people who retain the institutional knowledge about how the business is run, how the product is made. Not everything can be farmed out.
The young people today, are basically screwed, and won't even be able to afford or sustain basic things, like a roof over their head.
One of the positive “benefits” of the 1930s depression was an improvement in automation. This came about because of legislation that favored unions. So now we have innovation out of necessity. But eventually, the onslaught of regulations and work rules will overwhelm the ability of industries to wring out more productivity gains.
That's about it. Mandatory 12 hour days, 6 days a week.
The other problem is that because so much of our manufacturing jobs have left the country and that means we have less people that know how to perform certain manufacturing jobs. This is why I think companies are trying to get their present workforces to learn more skills. It cheaper than hiring, dumping and hiring and dumping people that cannot be taught or fail to learn how to do the job correctly.
Sure. Unless they, you know, acquire some useful skills that the market needs.
IOW—they “hang a carrot” in front of you—with a “promise of more” if YOU do more, but when you do, they just keep moving that carrot. And some—even admit to a ‘revolving door policy” for their workers. not exactly an ‘incentive” to “do more” in my opinion.
Been there—AM there now!!
Walk through the neighborhoods of America...Look at the driveways of homes the banksters have not confiscated yet... You see lots of cars, as the kids and adults are forced back home etc....Grow adults, kids, families and their extended families all living together....It's happening everywhere....
Oh, like bankruptcy consultants?
That's true, but only up to a certain point. I've worked in union shops where they talked the employees into taking wage cuts 'to keep the from relocating'. The workers took the wage cut and the company relocated anyway! lol
The thing the unions are good for is preventing the shops from working you 18 hour days etc.
If companies treated their employees well, there wouldn't be a need for unions.
If work is involved they want no part of it. There is plenty of good paying work out there with nobody willing to do it.
I don’t know. Maybe so.
Point is, again, if you have useful skills you don’t have to worry about being worked like a dog. If you are so easily replaceable that an employer can treat you like dirt cause if you leave, 20 people will show up to take your position, then you need to learn something more useful.
Right Answer. Necessity is the mother of invention. When people who need jobs can’t find jobs, they will think of a way.
The real big fun is coming, when all of those government retirees are eventually told, "Sorry, the tax payers are out of money"
My husband was one of those people...working for a manufacturer as an engineer. They refused to hire the 4-5 engineers needed and therefore left everything on the shoulders of the 4 remaining engineers (which included my husband). He was working pretty much 7 days a week, upwards of 70+ hour weeks with a wife and four kids at home wondering where he was, LOL. Not to mention they just generally treated him like dirt.
Without getting into too many specifics, he got fed up both physically and mentally from the job, and I’ve not met too many people who will work as hard as my husband. He got a phone call last summer from a former plant manager that he worked for in Indiana. The guy was now in SE OH and told dh about a manufacturing engineer opening they had posted that he thought my husband would be perfect for. It’s the same industry, so dh applied, and long story short, he was offered and accepted the job.
Needless to say, dh’s (now) former employer was not happy when he turned in his notice letter. I guess that’s what they call ‘the shoe’s on the other foot.’ LOL Right now he is in OH working and we are here until school lets out for the summer or the house sells. That part’s difficult, but overall he likes his job a lot more, works only about 45-50 hours a week (at most), and got more money out of the deal. The added bonus is only driving about 4 hours to see family versus the 12 we are driving now.
“Buried in orders, but cant deliver, losing their shirts or praying the customers dont figure out there getting crap. Welcome to the new American industrial age brought to you by hoards of Quickie-MBA Wannabe CEOs”
hehe.... MBA = Mediocre But Arrogant
The point is, you don't get it Dave...
Usefull skills are great in a good or normal economy...When your economy is going down in flames it don't work too well...
Ya see in collapsing economy, few are building homes, that means few are buying washers, dryers, furniture, new cars...Fewer contractors, wages are stagnant so few are buying anything they don't need....Few are creating new businesses, credit cards are not being used, the need for accountants and loan people are way down, real estate agents are starving...BTW, all the labor intensive jobs are given to illegals..Like HVAC, truck drivers, warehousing, what is left of construction etc, etc.
This is not a difficult concept to understand Dave.
Now, they're might be demand if your repo men or bankruptcy attorneys...
For those that want to be doctor...Good luck affording 100k for school and this health care system...
You can wave a magic wand and make the illegals disappear, but the cold fact remains: our society is in a post-scarcity phase, and we don’t know what to do with the workers we don’t need.
Our economy, our education system and the nature of society at large orients us to work for somebody else. Think about it. What does a college education prepare you to do? Be an entrepreneur? Decidedly not. On top of this, it is impossible to live in a house and not work to get money to pay taxes. You can raise chickens and be self-sufficient if you live far enough away from a plated subdivision which prohibits this activity. But you must have cash money to pay your bills. There is no bargaining with the power company. (I recently read where some northern state wanted to take a mans 35 acres away from him because he used no services and had no electricity.)
Now, get into how our government is preventing business by demanding more and more taxes and fees, many of which are up front before youve made a cent.
We need to re-think our society.
A study I read on the homeless in Sarasota, Florida revealed that many of them had retirement income, bank accounts and cash. But they lived without homes. I can understand why. The overhead cost of a home may be too much for some, even though they have money.
That's a Capitalist Utopia. Like its cousin the Socialist Utopia, it can't happen.
1. Not everyone has the funds, education, talent, ability or desire to be an entrepreneur. Such persons are in fact in the minority.
2. There's no market large enough to support universal entrepreneurship. The market prefers some goods and services to others. Most startups wither and die off for want of a market. The majority of entrepreneurs will always fail.
Often wrong, but never in doubt
Neither is it difficult to understand that, when the situation changes, the definition of “useful” also changes.
Have they looked elsewhere besides their home state or town??
So want a Populist Utopia??
No. Project much?
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