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Factories boom, but with few new workers
msnbc ^ | 2/7/11

Posted on 02/07/2011 10:33:25 AM PST by Nachum

Productivity gains mean many low-skilled workers are shut out

The U.S. manufacturing sector is roaring back after the worst recession in generations. So why aren’t factory jobs coming back as quickly?

One big reason: Business executives like Drew Greenblatt, owner of Baltimore-based Marlin Steel Wire Products, have figured out how to make more widgets with the same number of workers. To do so, he's had to upgrade the skills — and wages — of his employees. But his profits are bigger than ever.

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KEYWORDS: boom; economy; factories; workers
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Do the job illegals do- only better.
1 posted on 02/07/2011 10:33:35 AM PST by Nachum
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To: Nachum

Buried in orders, but can’t deliver, losing their shirts or praying the customers don’t figure out there getting crap. Welcome to the new American industrial age brought to you by hoards of Quickie-MBA Wannabe CEOs.


2 posted on 02/07/2011 10:39:39 AM PST by Jack of all Trades (Stop the change - I want to get off!)
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To: Nachum

I hear this all the time from my husband and others. In other words the people who are working are working much harder with more hours, their salary and most are not being compensated.


3 posted on 02/07/2011 10:39:39 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Nachum
Manufacturing jobs are to the 21st century what farmer worker jobs were to the 20th century.

When all the price support and payments for not growing crops started under FDR is was meant to stop the rapid reduction in farm worker jobs.

Manufacturing jobs have disappeared WORLDWIDE.

Even China with all the manufacturing jobs they added still had a net loss of manufacturing jobs from 1995 to 2005.

By contrast the US in the same period lost fewer manufacturing jobs than any other country, due to productivity gains.

4 posted on 02/07/2011 10:39:44 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Nachum
There are many categories of workers that have almost ceased to exist in this country. Productivity goes up, but new opportunities for labor are not appearing with any good speed.

We can blame taxes, regulations, illegals, China, whatever. But the fact is, the world has changed. We have a lot of "stuff", and we don't have a "need" for many of our workers.

There is no an easy fix. We're looking at a large percentage of our population being decidedly unemployable. You can wave a magic wand and make the illegals disappear, but the cold fact remains: our society is in a post-scarcity phase, and we don't know what to do with the workers we don't need.

5 posted on 02/07/2011 10:42:25 AM PST by ClearCase_guy (BO + MB = BOMB -- The One will make sure they get one.)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Everybody will be an entrepreneur.


6 posted on 02/07/2011 10:44:53 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: red irish
people who are working are working much harder with more hours, their salary and most are not being compensated.

Those left working are becoming slaves, as they have to take up the slack for all those let go, as the prices of everything they purchase goes up, while their wages remain stagnant, as their benefits are reduces or slashed. The working class, whats left of them, are simple screwed.

This will not end well for anyone.

7 posted on 02/07/2011 10:47:55 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dfwgator

Service industry, pizza delivery jobs are plentiful.


8 posted on 02/07/2011 10:48:26 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Nachum

BS.


9 posted on 02/07/2011 10:49:10 AM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: Nachum
as much as I don't like unions, my son (union guy) made a statement that made me stop and think.

He said, "right now, the union job is the only job protecting the wage."

as I look back on it, he might have a point.


10 posted on 02/07/2011 10:50:50 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: Nachum
This is going to be a recurring theme as time goes on. The simple truth is that a human being is the "weak link" in any manufacturing or service process. Machines (of any kind) make fewer mistakes, are better at following orders, don't call in sick, don't go on strike, and don't have to be covered under ObamaCare.

Get used to it, folks.

11 posted on 02/07/2011 10:50:55 AM PST by Alberta's Child ("If you touch my junk, I'm gonna have you arrested.")
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To: dragnet2

Alternatively, over the years dead wood collects and does nothing much more than clutter up the place. The dead wood has been chucked and a general pruning permits new growth.

Real productivity is no longer dampened by unnecessary people


12 posted on 02/07/2011 10:53:14 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: red irish

they’re salary. lol In all my years I have never heard so many people who are thankful for their jobs but they are being pushed to do more and work longer hours. There are a lot of miserable people out there. I know a woman who manages a apartment complex and her boss is the most greedy and evil person who sincerely does not care about maintenance of the properties even if the city cites him, he will pay the fines which are cheaper. Because of him the federal subsidizing, hud, canceled their contracts and 26 families had to move in January. He makes it a point to just see how much he can make life miserable for others. He is a liberal elitist from California and believes the rest of the world is beneath him.


13 posted on 02/07/2011 10:53:41 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Ciexyz
Service industry, pizza delivery jobs are plentiful.

When gas goes to $5.00 a gallon, pizza delivery will become a thing of the past....Or the price of pizza doubles, which will probably happen anyway...At that point, the pizza eaters can no longer afforded pizza. A Pizza at that point, with a tip, will cost you $65.00...lol

14 posted on 02/07/2011 10:53:41 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: stylin19a

The union “protects” the wage only as they threaten violence upon the business owner.

The bottom line is that if you do not offer to an employer value, you should not expect to be paid well. Put it another way: If your job is easily mechanized, you should be looking for another line of work.


15 posted on 02/07/2011 10:56:12 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: bert
Real productivity is no longer dampened by unnecessary people

As the economy in flames is nose diving into the ground, hows that working out for ya bert?

lol...

16 posted on 02/07/2011 10:56:20 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: stylin19a
I have no problem with Unions and collective bargaining.-

I have a BIG problem with forced membership, federally forced open reporting on how members vote, manipulation of union membership dues to finance elections, elected officials, and voter fraud.

17 posted on 02/07/2011 10:57:59 AM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum
If the new economy requires high school grads to read blueprints and understand basic math in order to program a robot, then high schools should emphasize these skills that will lead to job placement. In contrast to this idea, in my area, Pittsburgh, a major high school technical training center recently shut its doors (I forget the reasons but I remember thinking, what a waste and lack of foresight).
18 posted on 02/07/2011 10:58:05 AM PST by Ciexyz
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To: Nachum

All one has to do is look a video of cars being built. There are thousands and thousands of robots who work better, faster, and cheaper than any human can. No human is ever going to do those jobs again.

Nearly every industry has some ‘robot’ or other mechanical aid taking the place of workers.

Barry just accelerated the switch by attacking companies bottom lines.


19 posted on 02/07/2011 10:58:14 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: SoothingDave

My prediction is that inevitably we will all belong to employment “guilds” who will farm people out to various companies for assignments on a temporary basis. Basically the concept of “Just-In-Time” Employment.


20 posted on 02/07/2011 10:59:42 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: red irish
they are being pushed to do more and work longer hours. There are a lot of miserable people out there

It's the name of the game....The employers know they have a never ending line of people who are being choked off....

Lets be honest...

"Work harder for less and less" is the new slogan for the American work place.

21 posted on 02/07/2011 11:00:06 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ciexyz
If the new economy requires high school grads to read blueprints and understand basic math in order to program a robot, then high schools should emphasize these skills that will lead to job placement.

But what about Global Warming, surely you don't want the polar bears to die, and the whales to run aground?!

22 posted on 02/07/2011 11:00:18 AM PST by Balding_Eagle (Overproduction, one of the top five worries of the American Farmer each and every year..)
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To: dragnet2

Exactly! A friend of my son is a computer technician who works for a bank, they make his life miserable and control his every move. He is looking for another job but just can’t find another one. He is also NOT making enough money to live on, so now he is talking about joining the military. More young people today are miserable. Even my daughter her job is soo stressful because of management, she too is looking for a new job. She said they are asking her to do more and more even on her days off because of the pressure of the CEO’s that are putting on everybody.


23 posted on 02/07/2011 11:01:08 AM PST by red irish (Gods Children in the womb are to be loved too!)
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To: Nachum
Barack Hussein Obama's jobless recovery. He is a failure!
24 posted on 02/07/2011 11:01:54 AM PST by Recovering_Democrat
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To: red irish
Exactly!

Of course, those that are honest will admit, today's work place is a punitive experience for those left behind...They're over worked, their wages and hours have been reduced, slashed, and their benefits have been decimated..

Instead of pay raises to keep up with ever rising prices, the employers are coming up with schemes of unobtainable incentives, phony commissions and stupid prizes instead of deserved pay raises...

25 posted on 02/07/2011 11:05:42 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dfwgator

I don’t know. There will always be a need for a core of company people who retain the institutional knowledge about how the business is run, how the product is made. Not everything can be farmed out.


26 posted on 02/07/2011 11:07:49 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: red irish
More young people today are miserable. Even my daughter her job is soo stressful because of management, she too is looking for a new job. She said they are asking her to do more and more even on her days off because of the pressure of the CEO’s that are putting on everybody.

The young people today, are basically screwed, and won't even be able to afford or sustain basic things, like a roof over their head.

27 posted on 02/07/2011 11:10:19 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Nachum

One of the positive “benefits” of the 1930s depression was an improvement in automation. This came about because of legislation that favored unions. So now we have innovation out of necessity. But eventually, the onslaught of regulations and work rules will overwhelm the ability of industries to wring out more productivity gains.


28 posted on 02/07/2011 11:10:36 AM PST by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est)
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To: red irish
I hear this all the time from my husband and others. In other words the people who are working are working much harder with more hours, their salary and most are not being compensated.

That's about it. Mandatory 12 hour days, 6 days a week.

The other problem is that because so much of our manufacturing jobs have left the country and that means we have less people that know how to perform certain manufacturing jobs. This is why I think companies are trying to get their present workforces to learn more skills. It cheaper than hiring, dumping and hiring and dumping people that cannot be taught or fail to learn how to do the job correctly.

29 posted on 02/07/2011 11:11:47 AM PST by Netizen
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To: dragnet2

Sure. Unless they, you know, acquire some useful skills that the market needs.


30 posted on 02/07/2011 11:13:21 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: dragnet2

IOW—they “hang a carrot” in front of you—with a “promise of more” if YOU do more, but when you do, they just keep moving that carrot. And some—even admit to a ‘revolving door policy” for their workers. not exactly an ‘incentive” to “do more” in my opinion.

Been there—AM there now!!


31 posted on 02/07/2011 11:15:27 AM PST by Rca2000 ( The Obama regime.....and all that goes with it .."All part of the "big plan"......)
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To: red irish
Exactly! A friend of my son is a computer technician who works for a bank, they make his life miserable and control his every move. He is looking for another job but just can’t find another one. He is also NOT making enough money to live on

You bet...

Walk through the neighborhoods of America...Look at the driveways of homes the banksters have not confiscated yet... You see lots of cars, as the kids and adults are forced back home etc....Grow adults, kids, families and their extended families all living together....It's happening everywhere....

32 posted on 02/07/2011 11:16:10 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SoothingDave
Sure. Unless they, you know, acquire some useful skills that the market needs.

Oh, like bankruptcy consultants?

33 posted on 02/07/2011 11:18:56 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: stylin19a
He said, "right now, the union job is the only job protecting the wage." as I look back on it, he might have a point.

That's true, but only up to a certain point. I've worked in union shops where they talked the employees into taking wage cuts 'to keep the from relocating'. The workers took the wage cut and the company relocated anyway! lol

The thing the unions are good for is preventing the shops from working you 18 hour days etc.

If companies treated their employees well, there wouldn't be a need for unions.

34 posted on 02/07/2011 11:19:48 AM PST by Netizen
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To: ClearCase_guy
...and we don't know what to do with the workers we don't need.

Soylent Green.

35 posted on 02/07/2011 11:22:23 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: dragnet2
Young people today are too damn lazy to earn a living, they don't look for work, they look for paycheck.

If work is involved they want no part of it. There is plenty of good paying work out there with nobody willing to do it.

36 posted on 02/07/2011 11:25:53 AM PST by Beagle8U (Free Republic -- One stop shopping ....... It's the Conservative Super WalMart for news .)
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To: dragnet2

I don’t know. Maybe so.

Point is, again, if you have useful skills you don’t have to worry about being worked like a dog. If you are so easily replaceable that an employer can treat you like dirt cause if you leave, 20 people will show up to take your position, then you need to learn something more useful.


37 posted on 02/07/2011 11:26:35 AM PST by SoothingDave
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To: dfwgator

Right Answer. Necessity is the mother of invention. When people who need jobs can’t find jobs, they will think of a way.


38 posted on 02/07/2011 11:26:51 AM PST by libh8er
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To: Rca2000
Just don't think too hard about those in the government public sector, in their 50s, retiring with lottery style, tax paid retirement pensions.

lol...

The real big fun is coming, when all of those government retirees are eventually told, "Sorry, the tax payers are out of money"

39 posted on 02/07/2011 11:28:26 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: red irish

My husband was one of those people...working for a manufacturer as an engineer. They refused to hire the 4-5 engineers needed and therefore left everything on the shoulders of the 4 remaining engineers (which included my husband). He was working pretty much 7 days a week, upwards of 70+ hour weeks with a wife and four kids at home wondering where he was, LOL. Not to mention they just generally treated him like dirt.

Without getting into too many specifics, he got fed up both physically and mentally from the job, and I’ve not met too many people who will work as hard as my husband. He got a phone call last summer from a former plant manager that he worked for in Indiana. The guy was now in SE OH and told dh about a manufacturing engineer opening they had posted that he thought my husband would be perfect for. It’s the same industry, so dh applied, and long story short, he was offered and accepted the job.

Needless to say, dh’s (now) former employer was not happy when he turned in his notice letter. I guess that’s what they call ‘the shoe’s on the other foot.’ LOL Right now he is in OH working and we are here until school lets out for the summer or the house sells. That part’s difficult, but overall he likes his job a lot more, works only about 45-50 hours a week (at most), and got more money out of the deal. The added bonus is only driving about 4 hours to see family versus the 12 we are driving now.


40 posted on 02/07/2011 11:29:36 AM PST by Hoosier Catholic Momma (Arkansas resident of Hoosier upbringing--Yankee with a southern twang)
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To: Jack of all Trades

“Buried in orders, but can’t deliver, losing their shirts or praying the customers don’t figure out there getting crap. Welcome to the new American industrial age brought to you by hoards of Quickie-MBA Wannabe CEOs”
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hehe.... MBA = Mediocre But Arrogant


41 posted on 02/07/2011 11:30:18 AM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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To: Nachum
You think the rats would have learned by now.


42 posted on 02/07/2011 11:33:28 AM PST by PA Engineer (Liberate America from the occupation media. There are Wars and Rumors of War.)
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To: SoothingDave
Point is, again, if you have useful skills

The point is, you don't get it Dave...

Usefull skills are great in a good or normal economy...When your economy is going down in flames it don't work too well...

Ya see in collapsing economy, few are building homes, that means few are buying washers, dryers, furniture, new cars...Fewer contractors, wages are stagnant so few are buying anything they don't need....Few are creating new businesses, credit cards are not being used, the need for accountants and loan people are way down, real estate agents are starving...BTW, all the labor intensive jobs are given to illegals..Like HVAC, truck drivers, warehousing, what is left of construction etc, etc.

This is not a difficult concept to understand Dave.

Now, they're might be demand if your repo men or bankruptcy attorneys...

For those that want to be doctor...Good luck affording 100k for school and this health care system...

43 posted on 02/07/2011 11:41:45 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“You can wave a magic wand and make the illegals disappear, but the cold fact remains: our society is in a post-scarcity phase, and we don’t know what to do with the workers we don’t need.”

Our economy, our education system and the nature of society at large orients us to work for somebody else. Think about it. What does a college education prepare you to do? Be an entrepreneur? Decidedly not. On top of this, it is impossible to live in a house and not work to get money to pay taxes. You can raise chickens and be self-sufficient if you live far enough away from a plated subdivision which prohibits this activity. But you must have cash money to pay your bills. There is no bargaining with the power company. (I recently read where some northern state wanted to take a man’s 35 acres away from him because he used no services and had no electricity.)

Now, get into how our government is preventing business by demanding more and more taxes and fees, many of which are up front before you’ve made a cent.

We need to re-think our society.

A study I read on the homeless in Sarasota, Florida revealed that many of them had retirement income, bank accounts and cash. But they lived without homes. I can understand why. The overhead cost of a home may be too much for some, even though they have money.


44 posted on 02/07/2011 11:54:49 AM PST by Gen.Blather
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To: dfwgator
"Everybody will be an entrepreneur."

That's a Capitalist Utopia. Like its cousin the Socialist Utopia, it can't happen.

1. Not everyone has the funds, education, talent, ability or desire to be an entrepreneur. Such persons are in fact in the minority.

2. There's no market large enough to support universal entrepreneurship. The market prefers some goods and services to others. Most startups wither and die off for want of a market. The majority of entrepreneurs will always fail.

45 posted on 02/07/2011 11:56:45 AM PST by jboot
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To: NeverForgetBataan

Often wrong, but never in doubt


46 posted on 02/07/2011 12:04:12 PM PST by Jack of all Trades (Stop the change - I want to get off!)
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To: dragnet2

Neither is it difficult to understand that, when the situation changes, the definition of “useful” also changes.


47 posted on 02/07/2011 12:07:12 PM PST by SoothingDave
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To: red irish; All

Have they looked elsewhere besides their home state or town??


48 posted on 02/07/2011 12:13:57 PM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: jboot; All

So want a Populist Utopia??


49 posted on 02/07/2011 12:15:37 PM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: KevinDavis
"So [do you] want a Populist Utopia??"

No. Project much?

50 posted on 02/07/2011 12:24:04 PM PST by jboot
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