Skip to comments.Ariz. lawmakers mull automatic citizenship bill
Posted on 02/07/2011 11:54:40 AM PST by Free ThinkerNY
PHOENIX (AP) -- Arizona lawmakers are holding a hearing on a bill that challenges automatic U.S. citizenship for children of illegal immigrants.
The bill to be heard Monday by the Senate judiciary committee provides a definition of a citizen of Arizona as a person who was born or naturalized in the United States and lives legally in Arizona.
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The bill's sponsors say the goal is to force a court to rule that a child born in the U.S. is a citizen only if either parent is a U.S. citizen or a legal immigrant. Similar proposals have been introduced by lawmakers in Indiana , Mississippi, Texas, Oklahoma and South Dakota.
State governments don’t determine citizenship, the federal government does. The constitution is clear; the issue went before the Supreme Court long ago and has been decided. If I were a resident of Arizona, I’d rather have my legislature working on something they can actually do something about rather than screwing around trying to earn political brownie points.
The bill to be heard Monday by the Senate judiciary committee seeks a court interpretation on an element of the 14th Amendment, which guarantees citizenship to people born in the U.S. who are "subject to the jurisdiction" of this country.
I think this new bill raises a good question. What part of 'subject to the jurisdiction of', do you not understand. Illegals are NOT subject to our jurisdiction. In fact they should be sent back to the jurisdiction that they came from and the sooner the better!
Little Stormer is part of the insanity squad of after-birthers. So this AZ alien law makes them go bonkers.
Sorry to see that critical thinking isn’t one of your strong points...
Entering the country is ILLEGAL, breaking the law. So yeah, let’s apply the law and deport them NOW!!
Yeah, I figured. One of those that thinks the US citizens should suffer rather than send illegals back home where they came from.
Your statement illustrates your belief that illegal aliens are subject to jurisdiction. Thus, if and when their children are born, the children are US citizens. This was decided eons ago - it’s a non-starter and waste of time. The only way around this would be to amend the constitution, and the odds of that happening are about the same as me walking on the moon.
At no time have I advocated any approach to dealing with illegal aliens - for all you know I might want to round them up and put them on an ice floe. My point is that the legislature of the State of Arizona is WASTING THE TAXPAYERS TIME AND MONEY by farting around with nonsense that A) is beyond their purview, and B) has been established in federal law for over 100 years.
I look at it this way. If they are subject to our jurisdiction/LAWS then round em up and deport them pronto for breaking our laws by entering the country illegally.
If they are not subject to our laws, then gather them up and deport them, hey its a win, win!
Actually, I can back up my statements. It is my strong point. You want to know what the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" means? Of course you don't but I'm going to tell you anyways.
The 14th Amendment intent and meaning.
Not only did the "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" mean territorial jurisdiction as in following the laws of the country, it also has a political meaning - owing allegiance to a sovereign. It does not mean by crossing the border illegally having babies and shazam instant US citizen! It means supporting the body politic of a nation is what the founders of the 14th Amendment were speaking about. They meant total jurisdiction. Noway the authors of the 14th Amendment meant or intended it to be the way that you speak of. The left have bastardized the law, which you so truly want to believe their BS.
Why do you consider it a waste of taxpayer money to enforce our laws?
It is a waste to NOT enforce our laws.
If each state set up a site for people to donate money specifically for legal and deportation costs, I think the money would come rolling in hand over fist!
And if my aunt had balls, she’d be my uncle. You can interpret or parse anyway you choose, but it won’t alter the facts, nor the definition of “jurisdiction”.
They aren’t trying to enforce laws, there trying to generate political donations and curry favor by pretending to do work.
They won’t get the donations without the work, hence the bill. :) This taxpayer wants them to do their jobs and doesn’t consider prosecuting and deporting to be a waste of time or money.
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