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Coal stoves linked to growth problems in kids
Yahoo ^ | 2/7/11 | Adam Marcus - Reuters

Posted on 02/07/2011 5:39:15 PM PST by NormsRevenge

NEW YORK (Reuters Health) – Children raised in homes heated by coal may suffer stunted growth from prolonged exposure to indoor air pollution, according to a study of families in the Czech Republic.

By age 3, children who lived in households where coal was used for heat were about a half-inch shorter, on average, than those raised in homes that relied on other forms of heating fuel. The effect on growth was even greater for children exposed to both coal and cigarette smoke at home, according to the researchers, who report their findings in the Archives of Pediatrics & Adolescent Medicine.

Whether these children will catch up to their peers on the growth chart, or if the effect is permanent, is unclear, the scientists said. However, studies of children exposed to cigarette smoke, which stunts growth, show that shorter stature continues into adolescence and possibly into adulthood, said Irva Hertz-Picciotto of the University of California, Davis, who is an author of the new study.

Roughly half the world's population burns coal, dung, wood or crop wastes for heating or cooking, according to the World Health Organization. Indoor air pollution causes up to 1.6 million deaths a year, the group has estimated.

Coal smoke is known to cause lung damage, but the new study "is significant because it indicates there's some systemic effect" on the entire body, Hertz-Picciotto said.

Her group looked at 1,133 children from two regions of the Czech Republic where coal is used widely. The researchers matched growth history of children from their medical records at birth and at 36 months with information collected from household surveys completed by their parents.

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1 posted on 02/07/2011 5:39:21 PM PST by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

This one is way past the+BS part, whoever wrote is a ravening loon.


2 posted on 02/07/2011 5:42:49 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: NormsRevenge

No big shock. Coal is loaded with heavy metals, its burning indoors limits oxygen availability (both by reducing oxygen levels and by blocking binding sites with carbon monoxide), etc.


3 posted on 02/07/2011 5:43:06 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Don't short people have a smaller carbon footprint? Isn't that a good thing?

/johnny

4 posted on 02/07/2011 5:44:16 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Gondring
Guess it is survival of the fittest. Grandpa had coal and had smarts.
5 posted on 02/07/2011 5:45:00 PM PST by Bronzy (We Remembered In November.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh? Or maybe if all you can afford is coal, you don’t buy quite as much expensive animal protein?


6 posted on 02/07/2011 5:45:09 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 748 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Oh give me a freakin break!
All my uncles and aunts were raised in a house heated with coal and they were all at least 6’ 3”.....


7 posted on 02/07/2011 5:45:21 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: org.whodat

Well, it could easily be a mere correlation, where less affluent homes could afford only poorer nutrition and poorer heating options, or it might be spurious, but there are also many reasons it could be valid.


8 posted on 02/07/2011 5:45:35 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NormsRevenge

I have to wonder what the diet is for these children.


9 posted on 02/07/2011 5:45:35 PM PST by jimfree (In 2012 Sarah Palin will continue to have more relevant quality executive experience than B. Obama.)
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To: Red Badger

Think of how tall they would have been if they’d burned wood!


10 posted on 02/07/2011 5:46:25 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: org.whodat

I’m in my late 70’s-—female-—5’6” for most of my life. Brother 6”.

Raised with coal heat and near tracks with filthy trains spewing soot all over the place.

Studies like this make me laugh.


11 posted on 02/07/2011 5:50:35 PM PST by Mears
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To: NormsRevenge
That's interesting. When I was living in rural east Ukraine, and then later in northern Kazakhstan, I was in a lot of homes that were heated with coal. For some reason they always felt so much warmer than those using 'solyarka' (kerosene), and they had this strange but pleasant smell, too. Perhaps only my imagination.

What I am sure of, however, is that the families using coal were quite a bit poorer than those with oil furnaces, and especially less well off than people in larger towns with radiator heating from central steam plants or electricity. Did they take into account dietary differences between poor people living in the sticks and their petroleum and steam-heated countrymen?
12 posted on 02/07/2011 5:51:26 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: Gondring

I’m surprised they don’t pass a law to make
EVERYONE burn coal so we’d all be the same height.


13 posted on 02/07/2011 5:53:22 PM PST by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: Gondring

True enough, we’re taller than previous generations for a whole lot of reasons. Cleaner air in the home is likely one of those reasons.

When I was a teenager we took the old coal furnace that sat in my great grandmothers basement and made it into a wood furnace at our house.


14 posted on 02/07/2011 5:56:55 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: struwwelpeter

“...Did they take into account dietary differences...”
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Of course not.
But give them another few million dollars in research grants,
and maybe they will study that for several more years.


15 posted on 02/07/2011 5:59:35 PM PST by Repeal The 17th
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To: NormsRevenge

...and cell phones powered by coal stoves are DOUBLY dangerous!


16 posted on 02/07/2011 6:00:13 PM PST by ElkGroveDan (If every person were like Sarah Palin, this world would be a peaceful, beautiful world to live in.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, I’ve got a wood stove sitting right here in my study, keeping this end of the house warm. I’d rather cut wood myself, or pay my neighbors to cut it, than pay some Arab sheikh for oil so he can use the money to spread sharia.

When my family and I spent a year in England back in the 1970s, we rented a house near Cambridge that had no central heat. We lit a soft coal fire in the fireplace and all sat around it on cold evenings. It was a very nice house, owned by the Master of John’s College, who didn’t need it since he lived in at the college.

No central heat. A small gas boiler in the upstairs bathroom closet so you could have a hot bath. We survived, nicely.


17 posted on 02/07/2011 6:00:18 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: null and void
Oh? Or maybe if all you can afford is coal, you don’t buy quite as much expensive animal protein?

Now I know why I was a skinny old kid, it was that coal and hot dogs and cheap balony from "save alot" while I was a kid, I'm still the runt of the litter but I've got a big gut so that must be the cheap McDoubles at McDonalds.

18 posted on 02/07/2011 6:00:59 PM PST by ReformedBeckite ( post 1 of 3 I'm allowing my self each day)
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To: Mears

Same here 6’ weight 180; the day I got out of basic.


19 posted on 02/07/2011 6:03:41 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: Red Badger
All my uncles and aunts were raised in a house heated with coal and they were all at least 6’ 3”.....

Aha! See??!! They could have been at least 6' 3.5" had they not used coal!

I'll call this a load of BS. They already have ready made test and control groups. Why go through this?

East Germany, and I'm sure most of the Warsaw Pact used to burn soft, brown coal. You could walk the streets of East Berlin and they would just pile it up on the corners in front of the buildings.

This crap was so bad that in the winter when the winds were still or fog enveloped the city walking around East Berlin would fill your nose with black, crusty boogers. Imagine living like that.

Anyhow, point is look at folks born in 1970 in East Germany and compare them to folks born after reunification when the enormous amounts of pollution left by the Communists were cleaned up.

20 posted on 02/07/2011 6:04:08 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Only two things come from Texas and I see you're wearing an "I Heart Austin" t-shirt)
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To: Gondring
Coal is loaded with heavy metals, its burning indoors limits oxygen availability (both by reducing oxygen levels and by blocking binding sites with carbon monoxide), etc.

Coal varies greatly in composition from area to area. Most coals I have seen are hardly "loaded" with heavy metals. You would have to breath smoke constantly to get enough heavy metals to make a difference similar to the lab rats eating a steady diet of saccharine just to make them get cancer.

Second, you seem to assume the coal stove leaks flue gas into the building. It is possible for a flue to be properly constructed to carry flue gas outdoors. In addition, the stove burning inside a building quite possibly could cause better air quality indoors by bringing in fresh air due to the draft.

As others pointed out it is possible the children are shorter due to poor diet since people who heat with coal are more likely to be poor. I'd also say it is possible this is junk science. I don't recall hearing about short blacksmiths in the old days.

21 posted on 02/07/2011 6:07:29 PM PST by SteamShovel ("Does the noise in my head bother you?")
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To: NormsRevenge

I have great memories being young and staying at my brother’s place that was heated with Warm Morning coal stove. It burned anthracite and sometimes the sides would glow red if you fed it too much. At that point we’d have to open the windows it was so hot in the room.


22 posted on 02/07/2011 6:08:43 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: struwwelpeter

I would say it has more to do with the location than anything, we heated with coal and wood, but we ate high on the hog. A county boy will survive. We slaughtered four to six hogs every winter my dad was alive. Have no ideal how many gallons and quart jars my mom canned every year. But those dried apply pies were wonderful. How many ten year plans did the communist have for their collectives anyway.


23 posted on 02/07/2011 6:12:20 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: VeniVidiVici

I was in Berlin in 2000, and you could still see bullet holes in buildings in the East from WWII.......


24 posted on 02/07/2011 6:12:36 PM PST by Red Badger (Whenever these vermin call you an 'idiot', you can be sure that you are doing something right.)
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To: NormsRevenge

From as early as he can remember, my father had to haul coal, dumped at the end of the street, into the basement of the family home. He’s 87 and hasn’t taken a pill in his life.


25 posted on 02/07/2011 6:16:33 PM PST by PGR88
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To: Gondring
“Coal is loaded with heavy metals”. Having seen a number of coal and ash analyzes and not seeing such “loads” of heavy metals, I was wondering what region your coal is from and if you have some data to share.

Unless the coal is burned in the open inside the home and not inside a stove vented outside, how is it reducing O2 or has enough CO to block but not asphyxiate those using it for heat?

26 posted on 02/07/2011 6:17:10 PM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: NormsRevenge

What crap. The four of us kids grew up in a house heated by a coal furnace and it didn’t stunt our growth. We were all taller than our parents.


27 posted on 02/07/2011 6:17:48 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: org.whodat

After a couple of generations the American colonists were considerably taller than most British of the time. There are a lot of factors that play into it. Diet, activities, living conditions etc.


28 posted on 02/07/2011 6:21:51 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Gondring
"Think of how tall they would have been if they’d burned wood!"

I'm surprised they haven't claimed that burning peat causes infertility or some such nonsense.

29 posted on 02/07/2011 6:26:20 PM PST by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway...John Wayne)
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To: NormsRevenge
The effect on growth was even greater for children exposed to both coal and cigarette smoke at home, according to the researchers,

No wonder I only made it to 6'1" 200lbs. as I was exposed to both and also smoked til I was 35.

30 posted on 02/07/2011 6:28:10 PM PST by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannolis. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: NormsRevenge
I was born in 1942 and grew up in a coal heated house in Iowa.

Made it to six-foot two with no problems, and I guess I'm glad all those coal fumes slowed me down.

Otherwise I'd be about eleven feet tall.

31 posted on 02/07/2011 6:34:56 PM PST by capt. norm (Blessed are they who can laugh at themselves for they shall never run out of material.)
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To: NormsRevenge
Guess how our schools were heated until not too long ago.

The term "shrimp" was born in our city.

32 posted on 02/07/2011 6:38:05 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: NormsRevenge

This will change when flues are invented. I saw the future in a snow globe.


33 posted on 02/07/2011 6:42:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: JRandomFreeper
"Don't short people have a smaller carbon footprint? Isn't that a good thing?"

It requires a larger carbon footprint to create the smaller person - there's no net gain.

34 posted on 02/07/2011 6:44:38 PM PST by NoLibZone (Obama must be impeached and tried for treason.)
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To: NormsRevenge
My father, his twin brother, and his older brother were all over 6 feet tall. His two sisters were probably 5'7" or so. Thank goodness they were raised in a home with a coal stoker furnace. Just how tall would they have been without the coal stunting their growth. All except my dad lived into their 80's. So it probably shortened their lives also.

Who does these idiot studies? And why? Because they come up with a theory and get someone to fund it. Tired of this sh?t.

35 posted on 02/07/2011 6:51:09 PM PST by w1andsodidwe (How can you tell when the President is lying? When his lips move, of course.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Utter nonsense...all of the men in my coal mining and coal burning family are well over six feet tall and 225 lbs.


36 posted on 02/07/2011 6:58:49 PM PST by Virginia Ridgerunner (Sarah Palin has crossed the Rubicon!)
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To: NormsRevenge

I grew up with a big coal furnace downstairs heating our house. I’m 5’10”.

Maybe they’re shorter there because those burning coal don’t have the proper finances to buy food? It’s probably nutritional.


37 posted on 02/07/2011 7:34:05 PM PST by ReneeLynn (Socialism is SO yesterday. Fascism, it's the new black. Mmm mmm mmm.)
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To: Red Badger

But sans the coal they might have been 6’ 3 1/2”, LOL.


38 posted on 02/07/2011 7:41:14 PM PST by tiki
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To: w1andsodidwe
I remember burning coal for heat. It didn't smell that great, but it didn't stink. It required some labor, but not as much as burning wood and it sure as Hell beat freezing to death, which would definitely stunt one's growth..

There are more preferable ways to heat but generating false data for political reasons shows right through this fabrication.

39 posted on 02/07/2011 7:55:27 PM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: dusttoyou
“Coal is loaded with heavy metals”. Having seen a number of coal and ash analyzes and not seeing such “loads” of heavy metals, I was wondering what region your coal is from and if you have some data to share.

Bituminous, multiregional. What ones are you familiar with? I can't share my clients' data, but many universities have good info, particularly Penn State and West Virginia University.

Unless the coal is burned in the open inside the home and not inside a stove vented outside, how is it reducing O2 or has enough CO to block but not asphyxiate those using it for heat?

It doesn't have to reach levels of acute effects--I'm talking chronic exposures. And I'm hypothesizing...frankly, I believe that if the results are real, then it's chemical exposure, not radioactivity or oxygen deficiency, but I'm not a physician.

40 posted on 02/07/2011 8:02:38 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NormsRevenge
feh... consider the source
41 posted on 02/07/2011 8:14:07 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Gondring
“I can't share my clients’ data”, man didn't you use this same lame line back during the Gulf Oil deal to cover up some other barbara Streisand?

Come on you can be more creative, can't you? Its doesn't have to get to acute bs, just chronic.

42 posted on 02/07/2011 8:31:04 PM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: NormsRevenge

Someone needs to man the bilge pumps, this bit of fiction is just chocked full of bull***t.


43 posted on 02/07/2011 8:36:46 PM PST by Dr.Zoidberg (Warning: Sarcasm/humor is always engaged. Failure to recognize this may lead to misunderstandings.)
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To: dusttoyou

What—too lazy to look at the literature and other public sources?

Even if I posted my clients’ data, you’d just decide to wave away reality again and claim not to believe it, just like you’re ignoring the fact that it’s stated right in this article, too.

But remember that other FReepers can just take a look at things like this:
http://www.springerlink.com/content/m5583822495j2323/
and see that you’re blowing smoke...no pun intended.


44 posted on 02/07/2011 8:53:36 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: dusttoyou

Oh, and note that the information I shared during the Macondo spill (it wasn’t Gulf Oil, it was BP) was shown to be true, so go make kissy with Barbra Streisand yourself.


45 posted on 02/07/2011 8:55:24 PM PST by Gondring (Paul Revere would have been flamed as a naysayer troll and told to go back to Boston.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Wow then I guess it wasn’t so bad sine I have about 1/2 dozen uncles all over 6 feet on both sides of the family who grew up in coal furnace heated homes.The’d have been giants otherwise!


46 posted on 02/07/2011 9:08:06 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: NormsRevenge

Wouldn’t have a danged thing to do with lack of nutrition now, would it?


47 posted on 02/07/2011 9:10:06 PM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: org.whodat
I get misty eyes when I remember the coal mining regions of the Ukraine. Most of their mines produced coke, which was useful in steel but not so much for heating, so when Ukraine's steel industry went down, a lot of jobs went poka as well.

Here's a letter to the editor that got to me so much that I clipped it and carried it around in my wallet until it fell apart:
This letter is the first of its kind that I have ever seen. It is from a coal miner, whom we will call Vladimir Ivanovich Konopkin. This letter touched me personally with its simple complaint about the ever-changing complexities of our modern life. It was from Vladimir Ivanovich, a 60 year-old man who gave most his life to the coalmines, but lost hope in his remaining years. The government, for which he dug coal for all of those years never gave him anything except arthritis, nor did it value his labors or his honesty.

"As a young man," wrote Vladimir Ivanovich. "I always repected the labor of the coal miners. I was astounded by these strong, masculine people, who at a depth of 700 meters worked the black gold of the Donbas. The labor of the coal miner was and still is not just a necessity, but dangerous as well. Back in the Soviet days he was cared for in a responsible manner, but now the situation has changed."

During his 30 years working deep in the Gagarin mine, Vladimir Ivanovich moved up from simple miner to shift leader. The mine for him was his school of life. He loved the profession, and gave it his all. Back then, with the rich hopes of a young man, Vladimir Ivanovich little suspected that these coalmines would someday become a millstone around the government's neck, and that the miners would become the lowliest of people, and their sacrifices forgotten.

Vladimir Ivanovich wrote his letter from the hospital, or more accurately, from the cardiology ward. His heart could no longer handle the strain.

"I want to live honestly," continued Vladimir Ivanovich. "But now after every shift I have to bring a small, yet extremely needed bag of coal so that I can heat my stove at home."

From his letter I understood that Vladimir Ivanovich was the only support and hope for his large family. His wife, their daughter with her child, and their teenage son, live in a cottage only 18 meters square, the kind the government provides its 'servants'. When his wife and daughter fell under the sokrashchenie (cut-backs) Vladimir Ivanovich, though already retired, returned to the coalmine in order to keep them fed. He wrote that there was not a single minute that he did not think about his family, or how they would get by without him. Back home there was neither coal, nor warmth, nor any money with which to buy it. The coalmines sometimes donate a miserly amount of coal to the families of disabled miners, but delivery is self-service, and his family has no way to carry it home.

"My wishes are my last will and testament. I wish that the New Year brings many stars in the heavens and that everyone will have enough to eat. To every resident of the town of Gorlovka, including myself, I wish warmth and comfort in their home for this coming millennium, and that no heart worries too much about tomorrow. Dai Bog (God grant)."

Vladimir Ivanovich died before he saw the new millennium, but his thoughts are perhaps reflected in the worries of many of us. The New Year should be connected with the fulfillment of happy wishes, especially in the service of others. Perhaps if some well-wisher would like to step into Vladimir Ivanovich's shoes for a moment, donations to his family may be sent via Kriminal Ehkspress, 84601 Gorlovka, Donetskoi Oblasti, ulitsa Usheva 6, in the Artyomshakhstroy building, first floor. For further information, call: 4-23-91 or 9-10-78.

Dai Bog,
Tatiana Semenova, assistant editor.
Published in Kriminal Ehkspress #52, 28.12.2000, p. 7
I typed out this article and posted on Free Republic sometime back in January of '01, and when I was in Donetsk and my conscience finally got to me, I went down to the newpaper's office just off the main square opposite the local balet.

At what passed for a secretary's desk, the lady could tell I was svoi by my glasses and height, and right away she went on about the Western Union money orders from the U.S. they'd been receiving for "Vladimir Ivanovich's family" (actually named Maxim Maximovich Kulakovsky).

FR did me proud ;-)
48 posted on 02/07/2011 9:24:09 PM PST by struwwelpeter
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To: struwwelpeter

Thanks for posting that.


49 posted on 02/07/2011 11:37:46 PM PST by VeniVidiVici (Only two things come from Texas and I see you're wearing an "I Heart Austin" t-shirt)
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To: Gondring

Considering GULF OIL COMPANY has been gone a long time, most everyone would know the reference was to the Gulf Oil Spill, to which was not just BP.

Adios amigo.


50 posted on 02/08/2011 7:34:44 AM PST by dusttoyou ("Progressives" are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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