Posted on 02/07/2011 9:40:38 PM PST by Scottmkiv
"One of the reasons that the revolt in Egypt is so important is what their new government's foreign policy will be.
The Middle East is tumultuous at the best of times, but Egypt hasn't been a part of the fighting since 1973 with the exception of a brief skirmish with Libya in 1977.
Now, it looks like Mubarak's regime will fall. Mubarak is 83 years old, and the current riots make it seem unlikely that he will hold onto power until Egypt's election this fall."
http://www.rationalpublicradio.com/israel-has-peace-agreement-with-mubarak-not-with-egypt.html
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Ping.
I think that Israel needs to start preparing for a war in two fronts
El Baradei just put his foot into his mouth, big time. His liberal Western supporters will have a hard time ignoring his official anti-Israel coming-out.
Strange, Haaretz has the headline.
Egypt opposition figure: Peace treaty with Israel is ‘rock solid’
http://www.haaretz.com/news/international/egypt-opposition-figure-peace-treaty-with-israel-is-rock-solid-1.341642
Here is El Baradai’s quote from der Spiegel
“ElBaradei: There are a few myths that Mubarak has successfully disseminated in the West and in Israel. First, that if he falls, there will be immediate chaos. Second, that if Egypt transitions into a democracy, the peace treaty with Israel will be annulled and we will be on the verge of entering into a new war in the Middle East. And, third, that if there is a transformation, an ayatollah à la Iran will take over in Cairo. All of that is nonsense.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,743825,00.html
I thought we give them a billion (with a B) dollars every year. Is this guy trying to eschew that?
Here’s the full quote used in this story...
“ElBaradei: No. Something the Israelis also need to grasp is that it’s impossible to make peace with a single man. At the moment, they have a peace treaty with Mubarak, but not one with the Egyptian people. The Israelis should understand that it is in their long-term interest to have a democratic Egypt as a neighbor, and that it is prudent to acknowledge the legitimate interests of the Palestinians and to grant them their own state.”
http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,743825,00.html
He’s not calling for war with Israel.
And we don’t really owe other nations money that America has borrowed from them.
He’s definitely calling for a “Palestinian state”.
He’s gonna get that. And a whole lot more than he bargained for.
El Baradei doesn't have a base in Egypt, and his "fame" comes mostly internationally. Now if he is going to climb the greasy pole of Arab politics, he needs an angle, and that angle is anti-Mubarak and anti-Jew. He is an amoral politician through and through. He may try to use the Muslim Brotherhood to gain a foothold, and they may likely use him as well for international legitimacy, but in the end El Baradei won't outsmart, and certainly won't out-muscle, the Muslim Brotherhood.
Did you all see on Fox news on Monday afternoon that Cavuto has declared that Mumbarak has a net worth of $$70 billion?
$70 Billion!
Has this guy been ripping us off for 30 years after the Jummuh Carter handshake that whatever aid we give to Isreal we will match to Egypt.
$70 Billion folks. Thank you for your contributions to this despot!
That’s the name of the game now. That is their justification for their hatred toward Israel, because that is what all this is about...the annihilation of Israel. This is just one more step toward that end, and that is why Liberals will embrace Baradei’s assessment with open arms, because they want to see Israel gone too, and since the Liberals, for the most part, control the Press, well....
the riots in egypt are essentially food riots.
Therefor the answer to question as to what to do involves food.
So first have a five year plan to subsidize Egyptian grain. During that five years invest in pulling up water from the ancient aquifers in the Egyptian western desert to grow grain. (Libya shares the same giant aquifer and already has huge wheat fields in the desert that can be seen from space) At the end of five years stop the subsidies and rely on the home grown wheat.
Finally an international contest would be drawn up to collapse the cost of water desalination. The contest would to see who could drop the cost of seawater desalination by $100 on three oceans. Then a new contest would be held. Whoever could beat the new price point would win 1 billion dollars. And so on until the price of desalinized water was ~50@acre foot. At Which point it becomes cost competitive to grow crops. Another contest would be held to cut the cost of delivered water by pipeline. The idea would be to bring down the cost of installing, and maintaining the pipeline and lowering the cost of pumping water.
Cheap water and cheap pipline pumping would make it possible to desert farm 1000 mile from any seacoast with desalinized water. Basically you’d be able to turn the deserts green around the world and double the size of the habitable planet and solve the worlds food water and population problem for 100-200 years.
I have read that Mubarak has 40 billion in personal wealth. You might be able to get him to subsidize Egyptian grain imports for 5 years at a cost of 12 billion or so.
You might also be able to get the Saudis to invest in Egyptian agriculture by pulling up water from the ancient aquifers. That might cost another 12 billion. It is in the Saudi interest to have a stable Egypt.
Finally the cost of contests would also be born by international billionaires as proposed by Bill Gates. This program would run ten years for a cost of ~12 billion.
In the end none of the parties that are non islamist will be able to govern unless they have a vision. This is it. Mubarak has actually been playing with the idea of grain independence–but he has not been able to deliver.
Now that’s a crystal clear call for war with Isreal from El Baraday.
We need to collect all they gear we sold to that one guy- Mubarak.
We’ll have the IDF swing by in the AM to get it.
ElBaradei gives bottom feeders a bad name.
“Did you all see on Fox news on Monday afternoon that Cavuto has declared that Mumbarak has a net worth of $$70 billion?”
Maybe not directly but his family and supporters yeah. In Egypt, IIRC, a local company must own 51% or so whn outsiders invest. Just imagine how much the local share of their telecom is worth. And that’s just one segment
“Did you all see on Fox news on Monday afternoon that Cavuto has declared that Mumbarak has a net worth of $$70 billion?”
I’ve seen that number, but I have also seen more numerous estimates of roughly 1/10th of that. Still.
ElBaradei: Israel has peace agreement with Mubarak, not with Egypt>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
Mubarak has a disagreement with the Obama, not the USA.
ElBaradei works for Mubarak, not Egypt.
I like where this is going!!!
Interesting what people think about democracy , when they know nothing about it now, and have never wanted to know anything about it in the past, and in the future will not want to know anything about it.El Baradei is such a person.
Following this “logic” the START treaty was signed with 0bambi.,...soon as he’s gone it’s void.....works for me.
And those liberal Western supporters
? They are on which side?
The only question at this point is, how competent a snake? Is he El Lenin or only El Kerensky?
Either way, the Brotherhood wins, and Egypt is lost.
Best outcome at this point: Omar takes over next September, and the lid stays on for a few more years.
He's not talking about war with Israel but the blackmail of Israel.
Israel has a peace agreement with Egypt not with ElBaradei. TAKE HIM OUT and send his body to Iran.
"He’s not calling for war with Israel."
Even if he intends war, would you expect him to tell Der Spiegel what his plans are.
Moreover, every statement regarding what the Palestinians want should begin by admitting that they were offered their own state...and turned it down!
The Palestinians have one goal in mind: The destruction of Israel and all its Jews. So long as other Arab leaders encourage such insane and malignant behavior, the Palestinians will never be "good neighbors".
Color me somewhat fascinated with ElBaradei’s comments, because things have a funny way of turning around. My book says Mubarak outlives him.
Has anyone else noticed that ElBaradei sort of rhymes with Hell, Ferrot, die?
Heh heh heh...
The peace agreement was with Sadat, not Mubarak, bonehead. Guess this is just another Carter “legacy” that never really had any meaning.
The real point here though is that the UN and the IAEA are terrorist organizations that are used to cover for tyranical nation-states and organizations.
El-Baradei may appear to be a “moderate Muslim” but he was just playing cover with the UN’s backing for Ahmedinejad (actually, the Ayatollah who is using Ahmedinejad as a figurehead) to build a nuke to attack Israel.
The real story here is how did such a guy get so much power at the UN and the IAEA.
But, but ElBaradei is so moderate. So reasonable and rational. LOL!!
Finally the liar shows his true stripes.
I don’t mean this offensively, but that’s a very naive point of view.
I think this idiot should actually have said Sadat. He signed the peace treaty with the Israelis.
Since he’s declaring war on Israel if he should take control, Israel might as well go after em now, while the gittin’s good.
BHO will probably triple that, now that El Baradei and the Muslim Brotherhood is in charge...
ElBaradei echoed this sentiment saying, “At the moment, they (the Israelis) have a peace treaty with Mubarak, but not one with the Egyptian people.”
It’s just pause so they can that gives them time to regroup and collect more weapons before they try to kill you again .
Whatever they tell you is a lie so they can get their way until they get a chance to destroy you some more .
The waters of Lake Nasser will then be upon him. Allahu fubar!
I think Mubarak is toying with El Baradei.
I think Honsni should just have him shot, along with the rest of the UN tangos and the leadership of the MB.
Problem solved. El Baradei seems to think he can conquer Egypt without force majeur.Mubarak is likely taking names, addresses, talking to them all like a Mafia Don would. Then he will chose between the quick and the dead, those who will preserve Egypt, and her international realtions as they exist now, and those who are useless to that continuity.
There likely will be a whole series of disappearances before election day, in my estimation.Can’t say as I blame him much.Mubarak is a war hero, cares about the people of Egypt. El Baradei has proven he cares about power, and the theocratization if the Egyptian government.I’d say there is a bullet lurking somewhere wih his name on it.If El Baradei had a clue left, he would be high tailing it to Iran, and staying there.El Baradei likely has the Mossad, the Saudi Itelligence Sevice, and several European spy agencies preparing to do the dirty on him. This is a high stakes game,with control of the Suez canal as the prize.El Baradei is in way over his head.
They are. Their battles are interior line and they quite literally have to be.
It doesn’t look good for them if the MB is granted any power. Obama should support Mubarak until elections are held.
The ideal model is Chile. If Egypt were to move away from socialism it would bloom better than Israel.
The Palestinians have their own state. It’s a wreck, despite billions poured in. Is the reason it is a disfunctional mess because they’re a few square miles short of “all the land”?
“El Baradei just put his foot into his mouth, big time. His liberal Western supporters will have a hard time ignoring his official anti-Israel coming-out.”
No they won`t.
Yes. Wonder whose voice it is? Old turncoat Jew-betrayer Soros's, or the Muslim Brotherhood's? Right now they're d'accord on the subject of Jews and Israel, so it's hard to tell.
El-Baradei is their transitional Allende/Mossadegh/Big Minh character, would be my guess. The people standing in the shadows are the ones we really need to kill. But they're the ones The Pres_ent is talking to and conniving with.
I hope the Jews that voted for Obama are happy......HELLO IRAN!
According to what I’ve read, most of the $1.5 billion goes to Egypt in the form of military product that we produce. Not that much in financial aide.
http://www.vaughns-1-pagers.com/politics/us-foreign-aid.htm
Outrageous statement, isn’t it?
SPIEGEL: "Are you now saying that a government that included participation by the Muslim Brotherhood would continue on with Mubarak's policies toward Israel?"
ElBaradei:"No. Something the Israelis also need to grasp is that it's impossible to make peace with a single man. At the moment, they have a peace treaty with Mubarak, but not one with the Egyptian people. The Israelis should understand that it is in their long-term interest to have a democratic Egypt as a neighbor, and that it is prudent to acknowledge the legitimate interests of the Palestinians and to grant them their own state."
I doubt that. His supporters in the West hate Israel and America, just as much as he does.
And MOHAMED El Baradei was in charge of overseeing the IAEA which was making sure that Iran wasn’t manufacturing atomic weapons to destroy Israel with.
What an utterly cruel joke.
My felling is that this is all a dance to make the Muslim Brotherhood seem like a "moderate" group. Never mind that a few days earlier they were telling Egyptians to prepare for war with Israel.
ML/NJ
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