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Government: No Electronic Flaws in Toyotas
AP via FNC ^ | 02/08/2011 | Staff

Posted on 02/08/2011 11:10:17 AM PST by OldDeckHand

WASHINGTON -- A government investigation into Toyota safety problems has found no electronic flaws to account for reports of sudden, unintentional acceleration.

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: acceleration; automakers; gm; governmentmotors; gubmint; lawsuit; reputation; toyota
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1 posted on 02/08/2011 11:10:20 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: OldDeckHand

Will GM give its market share back now?


2 posted on 02/08/2011 11:12:22 AM PST by skeeter
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To: OldDeckHand

Then it’s software?


3 posted on 02/08/2011 11:12:37 AM PST by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: OldDeckHand

I still get angry when I think of the congressional hearings on toyota - absolutely pathetic. An opportunity for a bunch of self-righteous publicity seekers to see a platform. The same as H1N1, BP, etc. etc.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 11:14:28 AM PST by PGR88
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To: OldDeckHand

That whole thing was a Gov’t hit piece.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 11:14:55 AM PST by Michael Barnes
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To: OldDeckHand

So, does Toyota get their fines returned ?


6 posted on 02/08/2011 11:15:51 AM PST by stylin19a
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To: Michael Barnes

It served its purpose. They knew it all along, but needed the negative PR for Toyota.


7 posted on 02/08/2011 11:15:51 AM PST by refreshed
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To: OldDeckHand

Well then, I’m satisfied. /s


8 posted on 02/08/2011 11:15:54 AM PST by T Minus Four ("If Mormonism were a cult, I would know it and I would not be in it")
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To: OldDeckHand

Not flawed cars, flawed drivers.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 11:16:03 AM PST by Conan the Conservative (Crush the liberals, see them driven before you, and hear the lamentations of the hippies.)
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To: OldDeckHand

More Union bashing of non-union company’s.


10 posted on 02/08/2011 11:17:04 AM PST by ColdOne
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To: OldDeckHand

It seems to me that there have to be grounds for a lawsuit somewhere in there. This was government malfeasance at its worst.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 11:17:19 AM PST by Juan Medén
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To: Not now, Not ever!

or footwear...


12 posted on 02/08/2011 11:18:45 AM PST by MrShoop
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To: OldDeckHand

Well if the government says so then it has to be 100% True. (/s)


13 posted on 02/08/2011 11:18:48 AM PST by GraceG
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To: OldDeckHand

Funny how ~before~ the news reports there were only something like 8 reports of such acceleration. Then after it hit the news there were suddenly thousands of reports.

Imagine that.

The other thing that went unreported is that in pretty much any car, even with the accelerator pedal floored, the brakes are able to overcome the torque of the engine and stop the car.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 11:19:44 AM PST by Ramius (Personally, I give us... one chance in three. More tea?)
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To: OldDeckHand
"Nevermind..."Photobucket
15 posted on 02/08/2011 11:19:54 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: OldDeckHand

And this just in...

WASHINGTON — A government investigation into Egypt has found no reason to suspect terrorist factions that want to control the Middle East.

Right. Like I’m going to believe ANY government investigation....


16 posted on 02/08/2011 11:21:34 AM PST by Lucky9teen (Jobs? Nope! Economy? Nope! Disarm the U.S? Yep! Impeach the treasonous Marxist Muslim usurper bast)
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To: ladyvet
It was Emily Latella, not Roseanne Rosannadanna

17 posted on 02/08/2011 11:24:26 AM PST by GoldMan (Never try to rationalize an irrational mind............)
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To: Lucky9teen

The exact same thing happened with Audis in the 1980s - an “unintended acceleration” scare, and a careful investigation finding all the incidents were people stepping on the gas instead of the brake.

PJ O’Rourke covers the Audi story in “Parliament of Whores” IIRC.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 11:24:43 AM PST by Strategerist
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To: OldDeckHand

When they say- None at all then you know their is a cover up. I read first hand reports about this problem before it even became public. To say none of the faults are electronic is a lie. I will never buy a car that cannot be shut down except at the whim of a crashed computer. No manual control equals no sale to me.


19 posted on 02/08/2011 11:25:02 AM PST by Revel
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To: ladyvet

LOL


20 posted on 02/08/2011 11:25:25 AM PST by jla
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To: OldDeckHand

So could it be that the problem was due to DRIVER ERROR????


21 posted on 02/08/2011 11:26:34 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: OldDeckHand
...no electronic flaws to account for reports of sudden, unintentional acceleration.

It's the same flaw that has existed in almost all cars. When the idiot behind the wheel means to step on the brake, but mashes the accelerator instead, there is "unintentional" acceleration.

22 posted on 02/08/2011 11:26:49 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Not now, Not ever!

No, it’s the driver.


23 posted on 02/08/2011 11:27:32 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: ladyvet

Man she was funny wasn’t she ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z7gLJr03vNQ


24 posted on 02/08/2011 11:28:00 AM PST by Scythian
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To: Ramius

“The other thing that went unreported is that in pretty much any car, even with the accelerator pedal floored, the brakes are able to overcome the torque of the engine and stop the car.”

Also most cars equipped with throttle-by-wire will automatically close the throttle when the brakes are applied.


25 posted on 02/08/2011 11:28:43 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: GoldMan

Well then...really Never Mind.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 11:29:55 AM PST by ladyvet ( I would rather have Incitatus then the asses that are in congress today.)
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To: Juan Medén

Oh Darn......Eminem and Chrysler were counting on the ongoing RICO conspiracy against non union auto makers, authored by the Obamma administration’s planning with said unions.


27 posted on 02/08/2011 11:30:08 AM PST by blackdog
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To: Conan the Conservative
Not flawed cars, flawed drivers.

And hungry lawyers.

28 posted on 02/08/2011 11:30:23 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: Not now, Not ever!

“Then it’s software?”

There was one case near San Diego that was caused by the floor mat. The rest of the cases were old geezers who don’t know the accelerator from the brake. Screw the trial lawyers.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 11:30:55 AM PST by forgotten man (forgotten man)
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To: OldDeckHand

I have always thought the problem was that you press a button to put the car in park. Some people forget to do it and the car rolls.


30 posted on 02/08/2011 11:31:55 AM PST by w1andsodidwe (How can you tell when the President is lying? When his lips move, of course.)
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To: PGR88; Michael Barnes; StarFan; Dutchy; alisasny; BobFromNJ; BUNNY2003; Cacique; Clemenza; ...
I still get angry when I think of the congressional hearings on toyota - absolutely pathetic. An opportunity for a bunch of self-righteous publicity seekers to see a platform. The same as H1N1, BP, etc. etc.

I agree, PGR88!

And I also agree with Michael Barnes' post #5: This whole thing was nothing but a government hit piece.

31 posted on 02/08/2011 11:32:22 AM PST by nutmeg (The 111th Congress: Worst. Congress. Ever.)
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To: ZirconEncrustedTweezers

““The other thing that went unreported is that in pretty much any car, even with the accelerator pedal floored, the brakes are able to overcome the torque of the engine and stop the car.”

Also most cars equipped with throttle-by-wire will automatically close the throttle when the brakes are applied.

The first is not true unless it is done instantly with no delay. And not true at all if you are going down hill. Car brakes are under-designed these days. They are not forgiving to brake fade at all.

The 2nd point you make was not true for Toyota. They did not have that feature until now.


32 posted on 02/08/2011 11:32:39 AM PST by Revel
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To: Ramius
The other thing that went unreported is that in pretty much any car, even with the accelerator pedal floored, the brakes are able to overcome the torque of the engine and stop the car.

Yep, and there are other ways to stop a car, too. I had an accelerator jam once. It was 3rd gear, a freeway entrance, and a high powered car. I put it in neutral, hit the brake, and turned off the ignition, in less than a second. After coasting to the side of the road, I found that the car wash had put the driver's side mat in backwards, after cleaning it.

33 posted on 02/08/2011 11:33:25 AM PST by 3niner (When Obama succeeds, America fails.)
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To: Ramius
The other thing that went unreported is that in pretty much any car, even with the accelerator pedal floored, the brakes are able to overcome the torque of the engine and stop the car.

Yep. And if you put the car in Neutral its a piece of cake to bring it to a halt. At worst the engine will blow up.

34 posted on 02/08/2011 11:34:32 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: stylin19a
So, does Toyota get their fines returned ?

Exactly... this must have *wrongfully* cost Toyota MILLIONS in fines and lost sales.

35 posted on 02/08/2011 11:34:32 AM PST by nutmeg (The 111th Congress: Worst. Congress. Ever.)
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To: forgotten man

which one was the one with the State Trooper?

I’d like to see the facts on that one...hard to believe a guy who drives for a living could make that dumb a mistake
and keep doing so for miles.


36 posted on 02/08/2011 11:35:55 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: Revel

“The 2nd point you make was not true for Toyota. They did not have that feature until now.”

I did say “most”. :) Also I was aware that this was not true of Toyotas until after the recall.

Given the huge disc brakes I see on most newer cars these days, I find it hard to believe that they are inadequate unless manufacturers are REALLY cheaping out on pads. On my own car I noticed a considerable improvement in fade resistance by changing to a harder pad (though this did hurt braking performance a bit when the brakes were cold).


37 posted on 02/08/2011 11:37:05 AM PST by ZirconEncrustedTweezers (Regulation without representation is tyranny.)
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To: forgotten man

Ray LaHood said “it’s mechanical, not electrical”
and as we know, Ray hates cars.


38 posted on 02/08/2011 11:37:51 AM PST by WOBBLY BOB ( "I don't want the majority if we don't stand for something"- Jim Demint)
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To: OldDeckHand

The flaw, dear reader, has always been located at the driver’s foot.

No Toyota EVAH has the power to do what those drivers claimed, and Toyota’s quality at its worst is still two or three quantum levels above GM’s fondest dreams.

And we can always pause to laugh at that limp-***** driver of that supposedly runaway Prius.

Heh!!


39 posted on 02/08/2011 11:39:19 AM PST by Da Coyote
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To: Ramius
"Then after it hit the news there were suddenly thousands of reports."

Psychiatrists have a word or phrase for that phenomena (beyond just "mass hysteria"). I wish I could remember it. It definitely seems to apply here.

40 posted on 02/08/2011 11:39:29 AM PST by OldDeckHand
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To: Revel

The brakes will easily overpower the engine on any regular street car, provided the operator uses them properly if the throttle sticks. This has been shown numerous times in testing.

Here is my own informal testing, done around the time of the original incidents.

http://www.notesoft.com/DiscussionBoards/Debunkers/viewtopic.php?p=14518#p14518


41 posted on 02/08/2011 11:42:04 AM PST by ltc8k6
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To: WOBBLY BOB

This whole stinking business took place while negotiations were going on over the number of Marines in Okinawa. As soon as the Japanese caved (and the prime minister sacked for going back on his promise to move the base) suddenly Toyota automobiles started working normally again.


42 posted on 02/08/2011 11:42:29 AM PST by tbd108 (Go honest money!)
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To: skeeter

No one is buying GM except government . GM is a communist company owned by the government and the over paid workers. Toyota was sand bagged real bad to increase sales at government motors. Toyotas are great cars. Gm cars are crap.


43 posted on 02/08/2011 11:45:16 AM PST by Benchim
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To: OldDeckHand

I guess we all can rest assured now that Toyota has paid their huge monetary tribute to Obama...I wonder if it was cash, concessions, or just plain knee-pad action.


44 posted on 02/08/2011 11:46:37 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: Benchim

In my wildest drunken binge drinking session, I’d still never buy a GM car....I don’t care if it came with a two-dollar whore, or a 2 grand call girl... GM, Chrysler - choke on them.....


45 posted on 02/08/2011 11:48:54 AM PST by Gaffer
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To: OldDeckHand


46 posted on 02/08/2011 11:49:58 AM PST by winstonwolf33
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To: Benchim

I don’t really know what the quality of GM cars is right now, but I will not even consider buying anything made by GM unless and until there is no connection between them and the government, for starters. Even if they broke the bond with the government I still would have a problem buying from a company represented by the current socialist unions. They don’t care who else they hurt in society as long as they get theirs. I have a very hard time with that.


47 posted on 02/08/2011 11:50:13 AM PST by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: WOBBLY BOB

That was San Diego, Floor mats.


48 posted on 02/08/2011 11:55:56 AM PST by Not now, Not ever! (Girlfriend suggested I use pelosi in place of swear words, A good idea, I think)
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To: OldDeckHand

Will the trial lawyers give back the money?


49 posted on 02/08/2011 11:58:26 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: OldDeckHand

Good for Toyota. Now if they will just bring back the Supra with a 400+hp twin-turbo V6. Zoom-Zoom.


50 posted on 02/08/2011 12:00:45 PM PST by SVTCobra03 (You can never have enough friends, horsepower or ammunition.)
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