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Brawl on the right: Glenn Beck v. William Kristol
seattlepi ^ | 02/08/11 | staff

Posted on 02/08/2011 4:06:15 PM PST by Mozilla

Glenn Beck is "marginalizing" himself with conspiracy talk about Egypt's anti-Mubarak protests and evoking memories of the John Birch Society's Communist-conspiracy talk of the 1960's, leading conservative pundit William Kristol wrote over the weekend.

The Fox News pundit hit back on his Monday radio show, saying that Kristol is abandoning conservatives and fails to fathom an unholy alliance between Islamic activists and socialists.

"I don't even know if you understand what conservatives are anymore, Billy," Beck said. "People like Bill Kristol, I don't think they stand for anything anymore. All they stand for is power. They'll do anything to keep their little fiefdom together, and they'll do anything to keep the Republican power entrenched."

Beck broadened his accusation, saying that Kristol does not understand that "we are fighting the forces of evil on this planet."

Kristol, editor of The Weekly Standard, wrote over the weekend that "hysteria is not a sign of health," and added:

"When Glenn Beck rants about the caliphate taking over the Middle East from Morocco to the Philippines, and lists (invents?) the connections between caliphate-promoters and the American left, he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960's."

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Sounds like Bill Kristol doesn't want to be upstaged. Bill is another MSM koolaid drinkers like Bill O' Reilly too.
1 posted on 02/08/2011 4:06:20 PM PST by Mozilla
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To: Mozilla

LOL! Two RINOs. Kristol is a joke and Beck is a pal of Obama lover O’Reilly.


2 posted on 02/08/2011 4:07:46 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Mozilla

The Birchers were, for the most part, right.


3 posted on 02/08/2011 4:09:24 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Frantzie

. . .FR is now filled with sophomoric people name-calling everyone a RINO who is not Sarah Palin. We need people like Beck and Kristol no matter how imperfect they are.


4 posted on 02/08/2011 4:11:15 PM PST by Vinomori
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To: Mozilla

Not much of a brawl. Kristol yells accusations from the Bushes and Beck proves him wrong.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 4:12:11 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Mozilla

“Glenn Beck is “marginalizing” himself with conspiracy talk about Egypt’s anti-Mubarak protests and evoking memories of the John Birch Society’s Communist-conspiracy talk of the 1960’s”

Almost word for word what Chrissie Matthews spouted I think yesterday.

All I know is the minute he said it I hit the channel button.


6 posted on 02/08/2011 4:12:21 PM PST by Marty62 (Marty 60)
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To: Frantzie
Two RINOs.

Has Beck ever claimed to be a Republican? I've never heard him say that.

7 posted on 02/08/2011 4:13:10 PM PST by Jess79
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To: Mozilla

Beck is over target and taking flak. Exposing the NWO to the masses. Now Kristol is running to MSNBC. Too funny.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 4:13:28 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Mozilla

That could be a brawl on the right only if Kristol were actually on the right. These days, Kristol is aiming more to follow the path of Hillary Rodham Gergen.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 4:13:28 PM PST by rod1
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To: Frantzie

Beck isn’t a RINO. Neither is O’Reilly actually, since he specifically does not claim to be a Republican.


10 posted on 02/08/2011 4:13:34 PM PST by Flightdeck (If you hear me yell "Eject, Eject, Eject!" the last two will be echos...)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Still are. Nothing has changed.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 4:14:08 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Frantzie

I doubt it. kristol is definitely a rino and an elitist snob, but Beck is talking truth to idiots and they will never admit they are idiots.
If you haven’t heard or seen Beck lately, you don’t understand what is at stake here.


12 posted on 02/08/2011 4:14:38 PM PST by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam..)
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To: rod1

They are both members of the same club. Bilderbergers.


13 posted on 02/08/2011 4:15:32 PM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: Mozilla

Are they trying to slam and portray Beck as an antisemite because he had the audacity to hammer Soros? Or is it about Glenn Beck and his anti establishment and populist view that threatens establishment power and the NWO?

American patriots, populists, establishment wonks and elitists are all scrambling for power.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 4:16:58 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest government for the people; Conservatism but not crony corporatism.)
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To: Mozilla

difference not that I need to point it out to most freepers.

Beck uses facts, their words, their videos, their manifesto’s everything to back his claims up.

The rest uses , well nothing but accusations.

Now all Beck is asking is that the corrupt biased media listen to him, and the do their own research.
If they find he’s wrong then prove it with their backups and if he is right then report that Beck is onto something.

Hell my youngest at aged 8 figured that out and binged what he was saying.


15 posted on 02/08/2011 4:18:02 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: screaminsunshine
Yeah...just as I hit the post button, I thought I should have written, "are/were". I was directly addressing the articles reference to, "...the John Birch Society's Communist-conspiracy talk of the 1960's..." so I kept my comments in the past tense.
16 posted on 02/08/2011 4:18:33 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Mozilla

I would expect Kristol to deny what is going on in the world. The veil will soon be lifted.


17 posted on 02/08/2011 4:18:46 PM PST by anniegetyourgun
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To: Vinomori
. . .FR is now filled with sophomoric people name-calling everyone a RINO who is not Sarah Palin. We need people like Beck and Kristol no matter how imperfect they are.

AMEN!!!

The circular firing squad needs to disband. We have REAL, common enemies to fight.

18 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:26 PM PST by SomeCallMeTim ( The best minds are not in government. If any were, business would hire them)
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To: Jess79

“Has Beck ever claimed to be a Republican?”

He was, and he was a staunch Consevative. He went all out for bush, and when it was over, he felt the rinos had used him because bush was not the Conservative he was led to believe.


19 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:50 PM PST by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam..)
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To: Mozilla; cripplecreek

Rummy backs Beck’s suspicions:

EIB Interview: Donald Rumsfeld
February 8, 2011
http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/daily/site_020811/content/01125106.member.html

[huge snip]

RUSH: In context of all that, what do you make of what’s happening in Egypt? So many people are confused. I must confess I’m having a tough time finding somebody I believe is able to convince me what this is really all about.

RUMSFELD: Let me make a couple of comments in that regard. First, it seems to me that what’s important is private diplomacy, not public diplomacy. Public diplomacy tends to be aimed not so much at the people you’re trying to persuade, but to satisfy your own base and to make yourself look good. And one knows that the private diplomacy is what ultimately is going to be important. So it’s not surprising that those of us on the outside don’t have a perfect fix on what’s taking place. Second, I would say that there are without question — first of all, Egypt’s an enormously important country. It’s large, it’s historically important. From an educational standpoint it’s a big factor in the Arab world and what happens there makes a big difference to us. As you know well, we watched what happened in Iran where there was a popular revolution and the people that were the best organized and the most vicious took over the country. And they didn’t end up with freer political systems or freer economic systems. They ended up with the ayatollahs controlling that country.

RUSH: Well, that’s the thing. Are we looking at something similar here or is this really — I mean there are people telling us this is a democracy movement, we need to be fully, fully behind what’s going on here. If that means the ouster of Mubarak, then we must be for it immediately. We’re hearing that argument as well.

RUMSFELD: Well, you can have a perfectly legitimate democracy movement where there are a variety of people across the political spectrum who all agree that there needs to be change. The problem is the people who tend to be the best organized are the most radical and the most vicious. And so you can have a broad popular democracy movement and have it end being taken over by the most vicious people and the result is you don’t end up with free political systems or free economic systems, you end up with a handful of radicals controlling the country. That’s the risk.

RUSH: We’re speaking with former Defense Secretary Ronald Rumsfeld, former secretary of practically everything in his career in the US government. Were we surprised at what happened in Iran when we decided the Shah had to go? Was there intel that the ayatollahs might take over and form an Islamist government as they have?

RUMSFELD: There was certainly intel that suggested that the return of the ayatollah from, as I recall, Paris to Iran and that there were people who had extreme views. I think that the actual departure of the Shah came as a surprise. I don’t think our intel suggested that. There was clearly information that there was concern about the secret police, the SAVAK during that period, and the country had not moved toward freer political and freer economic systems.

RUSH: Well, people have the same fear that the process is repeating itself in Egypt.

RUMSFELD: That’s true. I mean it’s a perfectly legitimate concern. How it will come out, we don’t know. But if you think about our world and the relatively small number of countries where people are doing well and have opportunity, those are the countries with the freer political and the freer economic systems. The places where people are not doing well — my favorite picture as you probably know is that picture of the Korean peninsula taken from a satellite at night, and the same people north and south, the same resources north and south, and below the demilitarized zone you have this brilliant light with the 12th or 13th largest economy on the face of the earth and up north people are starving because there’s a dictatorship up north and a free system down south.

RUSH: We’re speaking with former Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld.

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20 posted on 02/08/2011 4:19:55 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: MestaMachine

Beck will win, no contest. Semper fi


21 posted on 02/08/2011 4:20:43 PM PST by TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl
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To: Mozilla

It seems the elites (left and right) feel they have Beck on the ropes, and are going in for the kill.

They couldn’t be so wrong.


22 posted on 02/08/2011 4:21:04 PM PST by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: cripplecreek

correct Beck uses facts to back his words upo and then says look it up and see if I’m right or wrong

The others simply say he’;s a nut , he’s this or that.

Of course they can’t even do their own research and the likes of Kristol sees that knowledge is getting to the public and the left and the establishment hate that.

They’ve sat in their ivory towers for decades telling us what is this and that but now we have access to all info and they hate that.
their power is going away, their money grabbing is not as big.

Good for Beck and thanks to him for pointing out so many of what the left is up to along with radical islam


23 posted on 02/08/2011 4:21:15 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Mozilla

Bill Kristol has long been a worthless neocon joke.


24 posted on 02/08/2011 4:21:27 PM PST by WilliamHouston
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To: Joe 6-pack

As one of them, YEP!!!!


25 posted on 02/08/2011 4:22:27 PM PST by Dick Bachert
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To: Mozilla

Glenn Beck lost me when he attacked Birthers, who now are 58% strong, and still hasn’t addressed the issue in any meaningfull way.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 4:23:03 PM PST by stockpirate (U-6 Total unemployed for January 2011 16.1 percent)
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To: Mozilla; B4Ranch

In retrospect, how right or wrong WERE the Birchers, in the 60s?


27 posted on 02/08/2011 4:24:08 PM PST by Travis McGee (EnemiesForeignAndDomestic is now on Kindle.)
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To: manc

The evidence litters the landscape but idiots like Kristol desperately avoid looking at it. To make matters worse he desperately tries to keep others from looking at it too.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2670594/posts


28 posted on 02/08/2011 4:24:31 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: MestaMachine
He was, and he was a staunch Consevative. He went all out for bush, and when it was over, he felt the rinos had used him because bush was not the Conservative he was led to believe.

Interesting. I doubt he would claim the title today, and this helps explain why.

29 posted on 02/08/2011 4:25:06 PM PST by Jess79
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To: Mozilla
Kristol should explain what Code Pink was doing in Egypt.

Code Pink had to be rescued by the oil companies that they march and demonstrate against.

30 posted on 02/08/2011 4:28:39 PM PST by lonestar
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To: Mozilla

Kristol is establishment. I wouldn’t curse Beck that harshly. It’s probably been a year since I’ve listened to Beck, but he was a long way from RINO then.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 4:28:46 PM PST by pallis
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To: Mozilla
Bill Kristol was on MSNBC Morning Joe this AM. I used to be a big fan of Kristols, but was upset with him when he said in the last few months that he did not think Sarah Palin would run. I took his words as dismissive, he had been a supporter of Sarah.
32 posted on 02/08/2011 4:29:19 PM PST by Friendofgeorge (Sarah Palin 2012 or bust)
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"... he brings to mind no one so much as Robert Welch and the John Birch Society. He's marginalizing himself, just as his predecessors did back in the early 1960's."

Billyboy Kristol was a prepubescent schoolboy in the "early 1960's" and doesn't know what was going on back then any more than he knows about the French revolution. I hate when these pampered preppy juveniles talk as if they have some kind of gravitas. No big fan of Glen Beck here, either, but he gets the call over Kristol.

33 posted on 02/08/2011 4:29:25 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: TheLawyerFormerlyKnownAsAl

I have said this before. Beck is one of the most courageous men alive today. I am watching another, Geert Wilders. These two are in the forefront of trying to educate the “masses.” I only hope and pray that enough people are paying attention because the left and the muslims absolutely are, and they will murder.
Semper Fi!


34 posted on 02/08/2011 4:29:36 PM PST by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam..)
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To: Frantzie

Cat fight over at Fox! Good for ratings?


35 posted on 02/08/2011 4:32:24 PM PST by Third Person
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To: Mozilla

Purse fight


36 posted on 02/08/2011 4:32:34 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: Friendofgeorge

kristoleum was an old guard mccain supporter. Can’t ever convince me he is, or was ever, a true Conservative. He flies on his daddy’s reputation.


37 posted on 02/08/2011 4:33:38 PM PST by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam..)
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To: Joe 6-pack
Right or wrong......I think it was revealed that almost half of the Bircher membership were paid government snitches..
38 posted on 02/08/2011 4:34:12 PM PST by M-cubed
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To: Friendofgeorge
I used to be a big fan of Kristols, but was upset with him when he said in the last few months that he did not think Sarah Palin would run. I took his words as dismissive, he had been a supporter of Sarah.

And, I haven't forgotten how Kristol stabbed Christine O'Donnell in the back on the night she won her primary. Disgraceful.

Beck may be missing some of his marbles, but Kristol is disloyal.

39 posted on 02/08/2011 4:34:36 PM PST by Walts Ice Pick ("I'm not going to shut up!" - Sarah Palin)
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To: Mozilla; cripplecreek

RE post #20 - I forgot to add this part:

RUMSFELD: No, they’re perfectly capable of lying, and they did. I mean take one of the rumors that was spread around the world about alleging that someone at Guantanamo Bay had flushed a Koran down the toilet. There were riots in three or four cities, people were killed, and by the time the truth came around that there never was a Koran flushed down the toilet at Guantanamo, it was absolutely false, and of course the journalist that did it then said if there was some portion of their story that was wrong, they’re sorry, but the people were dead already. So these things are important. The thing that was on the backside of that however is that there’s something about our country that we’re reluctant to engage in a competition of ideas in government. We are up against a vicious enemy, the radical Islamists are there, they intend to try to create a caliphate in this world and fundamentally alter the nature of nation states, and we’re reluctant to engage in the competition of ideas and point out what they really are and how vicious they are. This current administration is even afraid to say the word Islamist. And we need to fight. We need to be willing to say what it is and be willing to tackle it. And thank goodness for people like you who are willing to do it.


40 posted on 02/08/2011 4:34:50 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: MestaMachine

Glenn Beck calls Geert Wilders a fascist, endorses ban on his entering UK:

http://www.therightscoop.com/glenn-beck-foolishly-calls-geert-wilders-a-fascist


41 posted on 02/08/2011 4:35:18 PM PST by Third Person
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To: Travis McGee
It helps to know who John Birch actually was. Google him up and see...

Were the Birchers "right?" Probably more right than wrong, just as Joe McCarthy was more right than wrong.

42 posted on 02/08/2011 4:37:13 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: MestaMachine
Beck is one of the most courageous men alive today. I am watching another, Geert Wilders.

That he is. I hope their security teams are up to the task.

In Beck's case, its hard to refute him, since he basically just quotes from his targets' own material. He seems to be the only one doing any original reporting on anything of importance. They others just quote each other and pretend Beck doesn't exist except to attack him (but careful not to give any detail about what it is he said that was wrong).

Most of the stuff he covers I've gathered from other sources, just by remembering details that are scattered across other sources, but he is the only one actively trying to pull the pieces together, connect the dots, and arrive at a coherent picture. He says he has 30 people doing research and I believe it.

43 posted on 02/08/2011 4:39:52 PM PST by marron
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To: cripplecreek

and that is the problem with these establishment elitists.

They want to tell us what they think , what they want us to know instead of us being informed.

I think beck had it right tonight when he talked about not wanting slaves to read and that way they would not know what is right or wrong.


44 posted on 02/08/2011 4:41:32 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Matchett-PI
There are a lot of things that Beck hasn't said that I've found while studying up on what he has said.

Tonight I was reading about code pink in the middle east and just happened to discover something they're doing in Oregon called the "Rural Organizing Project". They have a VERY interesting logo.

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45 posted on 02/08/2011 4:42:43 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: Third Person

That was then. Things have changed. He DOES do reseaech and he was inundated with criticism for it. He is not so quick to jump anymore. In fact, I would say that he has some of the best research staff in the business today. Everyone makes mistakes. It takes a great man/woman to admit it and go on. Beck has.


46 posted on 02/08/2011 4:43:15 PM PST by MestaMachine (Note: I do NOT capitalize anything I don't respect...like obama and/or islam..)
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To: manc

Many of our nation’s founders said that Americans would be free as long as we were educated.


47 posted on 02/08/2011 4:44:54 PM PST by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin! (look it up))
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To: lonestar

exactly
If Beck is wrong then prove it but if he;s right then report it why code pink and Ayers , etc are over there for the last two years and why did obama actually pick that city to do his speech and now it burns.

here’s one report and investigate why Soros has El Baradi in his group and it would be him to take over our ally.
Report as to why our foreign policy has now changed to pissing on allies including the UK by giving away nuclear secrets to Russia

There’s so much to report and investigate but now it is easier for them to please their elitist cocktail pals in DC by attacking those who report facts, a word most in our corrupt biased media does not understand anymore.


48 posted on 02/08/2011 4:45:31 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: Mozilla

i agree with each about 60 percent of the time

Beck is more out to lunch how he skews history and acts immature

Kristol by a nose but let me supply the pistols

Kristol did support Palin when few. beltway folks would


49 posted on 02/08/2011 4:46:13 PM PST by wardaddy ("Out Here" by Josh Thompson pretty much says it all to those who will never understand anyhow)
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To: MestaMachine

where you watching him as I would love to hear what he has to say.?


50 posted on 02/08/2011 4:46:29 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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