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NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket
CNN ^ | 2/8/11 | John Zarrella

Posted on 02/08/2011 4:50:10 PM PST by Nachum

The marching orders from Congress and the White House to NASA were pretty straightforward. Go out and build a new big rocket to replace the retiring space shuttle fleet. Unlike the shuttle, the new rocket has to be powerful enough to get out of low Earth orbit and carry humans to an asteroid and eventually Mars, perhaps even the moon. There must also be a test flight by 2016. But at this point, NASA officials are warning of a potentially devastating setback to future space exploration. Its first new rocket in 40 years may not happen because the agency doesn't

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No more whitey on the moon
1 posted on 02/08/2011 4:50:18 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 02/08/2011 4:53:12 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

Sorry I don’t read or watch cnn.


3 posted on 02/08/2011 4:53:51 PM PST by jimpick
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To: Nachum

Maybe they can outreach to Saudi for funding...


4 posted on 02/08/2011 4:55:13 PM PST by null and void (We are now in day 749 of our national holiday from reality. - 0bama really isn't one of US.)
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To: Nachum

NASA must concentrate on making Muslims feel good an proving Globull Smarming is real. Who needs outer space?


5 posted on 02/08/2011 4:56:27 PM PST by Dallas59 (President Robert Gibbs 2009-2011)
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To: Nachum

Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.


6 posted on 02/08/2011 4:56:56 PM PST by linuxnut
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To: Nachum

Buy the Engergia from the Russkies?

It only flew twice (once in cargo mode, once carrying the
Buran). It seems about right.

I always wondered about their version of the SMU’s.


7 posted on 02/08/2011 4:58:23 PM PST by sinanju
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To: Nachum

LOL! NASA Is a GW and Islamic joke. It was good when the Germans ran it.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 5:02:23 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Nachum

Clintoon messed up NASA big time. I have physicist friends with connections to NASA, and they were not amused.

Bush did little or nothing to straighten things out. The lead scientist was too busy spouting off about global warming to do much else.

Obama, of course, has made things far worse. But it was in pretty dismal shape even before he got hold of it.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 5:03:58 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: linuxnut

You would need Germans to build it. I doubt most of the NASA “engineers” could read the plans even if they are in English.

Von Braun’s plans are probably not in Arabic or ebonics.


10 posted on 02/08/2011 5:05:27 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Nachum

SpaceX will pick up the slack.

http://news.discovery.com/space/moon-rocket-private-space-110207.html
Company Books Ride to the Moon

Astrobotic Technology reserves a spot on a private rocketship to deliver their lunar lander to the moon by as early as 2013.

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SpaceX, the rocket company headed by serial entrepreneur Elon Musk, sold its first launch to the moon, a mission that gives Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic Technology, a Carnegie Mellon University spin-off, an early lead in a $32 million race to land a privately owned rover on the lunar surface.

The contract, announced Sunday, reserves a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket to fly Astrobotic Technology’s lander and rover to the moon as early as December 2013.

“For every hundred technology developments there is one that has a ride booked. It’s a real distinguishing factor,” David Gump, president of Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic Technology, told Discovery News.

There’s room aboard the Falcon 9 for another 240 pounds of additional cargo, space Astrobotic Technology is selling for $700,000 per pound, plus a $250,000-per-payoad fee for integration, communications and other support services.

SpaceX’s Falcon 9, which has made two successful flights, is the same rocket NASA is buying to fly cargo — and perhaps eventually astronauts — to the International Space Station after the shuttles are retired in about six months.

Aside from adjusting navigation software, Falcon 9 doesn’t need any modifications to reach lunar orbit, Musk wrote in an email to Discovery News.

“Falcon 9 is capable of launching missions to the moon, Mars or beyond. Payload to the moon is about three tons and to Mars about two tons, meaning Falcon 9 could have launched the Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers on a single flight,” wrote Musk.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 5:05:49 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum

Nasa is the islamic fell good agency they have no business in space besides zero took all thier money


12 posted on 02/08/2011 5:12:58 PM PST by ronnie raygun (V.........................................)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

Elon Musk is that POS who got loads of govt money for hsi electric car that will never be economically viable.


13 posted on 02/08/2011 5:14:30 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: linuxnut

Politically incorrect builders, operators, and materials used so start over.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 5:16:36 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: Nachum

That muslim outreach is expensive.


15 posted on 02/08/2011 5:18:11 PM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Nachum

I guess dipping into their Muslim Outreach budget is out of the question. A space agency has it’s priorities, I’m sure.


16 posted on 02/08/2011 5:18:36 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: Nachum
We dumped the Shuttle and it's successor isn't even approved???
Are we a third world country all of a sudden?
17 posted on 02/08/2011 5:22:50 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: Nachum

“Objective: Build us a new rocket.
Schedule: four years.
Mission: Undefined. Maybe Mars. Maybe an asteroid. Certainly beyond low earth orbit. Let’s launch it and see how far it’ll go.
Budget: Peanuts.”

Yep, that’s the way to start a huge new engineering project. Sounds just like all the fast choo-choos we are starting to build all over the place.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 5:24:13 PM PST by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: Cementjungle

Hey! NASA and Barry can buy one from the local Muslim Rocket and Mosque Manufacturing Company. No problem — Barry’s Muslim brothers will give him a discount for selling out America to Islam and Saudi Arabia.


19 posted on 02/08/2011 5:27:43 PM PST by MasterGunner01 (To err is human; to forgive is not our policy. -- SEAL Team SIX)
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To: linuxnut
Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.

Sounds logical to me.

Using new materials and/or methods where it makes sense, why re-invent the wheel?

You can re-invent the wheel for future use, but for now we need to get going as inexpensively as possible.

20 posted on 02/08/2011 5:28:09 PM PST by SteamShovel ("Does the noise in my head bother you?")
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To: Nachum
"NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket"

Rockets??? I thought NASA's job was to lift the drooping self esteem of Moslems by reminding them they 'invented' algebra. Although those same Moslems might want to be reminded that the ancient Egyptians had far more advanced mathematics than algebra, which they used to build the Pyramids; those phenominal structures that even most modern day architects cannot explain.

The only real relationship between NASA and Islam should be that NASA get commissioned to develop an 'invisible' non-nuclear tipped missile that will fall straight on top of their moon rock in mecca and vaporize it. And nobody could prove from whence it came. Ahhh, but I dream. STAND UP, NASA, and shout from the rooftops how wonderful Muslims are, that's your new job, foster Islamo-esteem. Forget all that missile and space ship stuff.

21 posted on 02/08/2011 5:31:33 PM PST by jiminycricket000
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Are we a third world country all of a sudden?

Yes, haven't you heard?

I like how the article gives Barrys goal of landing on an A$$teroid, then maybe Mars, and oh yes, possibly the moon.

The most logical and accessible target is listed as an afterthought because Barry doesn't want to go there again. I think it makes most sense since we really haven't tried to USE the moon yet, we just went - picked up some rocks - and left for a very long time.

22 posted on 02/08/2011 5:32:48 PM PST by SteamShovel ("Does the noise in my head bother you?")
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To: Nachum
What an absolute shame, tragedy. Had we known what would become of our vaunted space program we would have all been devastated. Certainly Stanley Kubrick, Arthur C. Clarke for sure.

The vision of grandeur, exhilaration, wonders of exploration, Mankind reaching out to the heavens, indubitably where one day we'll be headed if Mankind ever expects to survive despite its best (worst?) intentions to the contrary.

Imagine it was in the final days of the 60's decade. President Kennedy's goal of landing a man on the moon met its goal landing four men on the moon before the decade was out with time to spare Somehow you had the ability to look forty years into the future to the present year, 2011. Certainly you take for granted that we've colonized the moon in a big way, the only suspense would be is whether we've made in to Mars, have started a colony by 2011

.... The headlines for NASA are coming into focus, getting clearer, let's see, NASA, yeah, yeah..!!What??&$#*$??!!!(the equivalent of WTF for the 60's).

NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket.What??&$#*$??!!!
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket!What??&$#*$??!!!!!
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket!!What??&$#*$??!!!

Who woulda thunk it?? An absolute tragedy for the USA, the world, Mankind... :-(

It proves beyond a doubt that the space program, Apollo. landing men on the moon was not at all about science only about the Cold War, the need to outdo each other.

The comment no more whitey on the moon was totally tacky, tasteless and despite how we all feel about Zero, it really had no place on this thread.

23 posted on 02/08/2011 5:33:24 PM PST by lbryce (BHO:Satan's Evil Twin)
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To: Frantzie

Yeah those stupid americans can’t build anything.


24 posted on 02/08/2011 5:37:01 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“Are we a third world country all of a sudden? “

Just last week Texas accepted electricity from Mexico because of power outages.


25 posted on 02/08/2011 5:38:44 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Nachum
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket

No Problem!


26 posted on 02/08/2011 5:40:32 PM PST by Koracan
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To: SteamShovel
You can re-invent the wheel for future use, but for now we need to get going as inexpensively as possible.

There was nothing inexpensive about the Saturn. Its cost was the reason we quit going to the moon.

27 posted on 02/08/2011 5:44:53 PM PST by NonZeroSum
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To: HereInTheHeartland

“We dumped the Shuttle and it’s successor isn’t even approved???”
“Are we a third world country all of a sudden?”

Yes. People voted for this. America is broke. Not going broke but broke. Americans vote for this everyday when they turn on their TV because ALL TV loves Obama.


28 posted on 02/08/2011 5:45:05 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: Nachum

If Allah wanted man to go out in space he would have put wings on horses.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 5:47:12 PM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: linuxnut
Google the plans for the Saturn V. The detailed drawings were destroyed.

/johnny

30 posted on 02/08/2011 5:49:48 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nachum

But we must have at least 800 billion in wealth transfer for welfare programs and “public education”.

How well we spend the confiscated money of our citizens.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 5:53:39 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Are we a third world country all of a sudden?

I keep telling folks, "It's later than you think."

Once the Chinese put a flag on the moon—and especially once they start zoning it—we'll dump the chumps and the race will be on. But that's way too late to play catch up.

32 posted on 02/08/2011 5:58:30 PM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: Nachum

33 posted on 02/08/2011 6:03:18 PM PST by mcmuffin ("Wanting your country back is not the same thing as working to take it back." JB Williams, Patriot U)
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To: linuxnut

Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.

Just as soon as the FBI returns them... confiscated and likely burned and destroyed along wtih all tools and dies after Apollo shut down.

And even if they had them right now, all the computer programmers and engineers are either dead or in old folks homes. Has been said that trying to reastart the old Apollo program would cost more than building a new system from scratch.


34 posted on 02/08/2011 6:04:37 PM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: SteamShovel

35 posted on 02/08/2011 6:05:16 PM PST by mcmuffin ("Wanting your country back is not the same thing as working to take it back." JB Williams, Patriot U)
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To: Jack Hydrazine

“SpaceX will pick up the slack”.

While I am a huge fan of SpaceX, and Burt Rattan, and all those guys, and fully believe they are 100% capable of extrordinary things (I watched space ship 1 launch), whatch for the government (especially this administration) to regulate these guys to death.


36 posted on 02/08/2011 6:32:06 PM PST by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: dsrtsage

I fully expect that to happen.


37 posted on 02/08/2011 6:48:33 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Frantzie

If Elon was smart he’d sell his share of the Tesla car company and focus completely on getting America back into space.


38 posted on 02/08/2011 6:49:54 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: dsrtsage

As the government regulates those small start up companies to death the big boys can come in like these.

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/news/n1102/08liberty/


39 posted on 02/08/2011 6:52:49 PM PST by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: Nachum
Unlike the shuttle, the new rocket has to be powerful enough to get out of low Earth orbit and carry humans to an asteroid and eventually Mars, perhaps even the moon.

...the Moon, an asteroid, and perhaps even Mars.

40 posted on 02/08/2011 6:54:51 PM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: JRandomFreeper
Google the plans for the Saturn V. The detailed drawings were destroyed.

Not true.

41 posted on 02/08/2011 6:55:46 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb
Then why does NASA have engineers taking apart a remaining Saturn V and reverse engineering it?

/johnny

42 posted on 02/08/2011 6:58:10 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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Then why does NASA have engineers taking apart a remaining Saturn V and reverse engineering it?

Where did you hear that?

43 posted on 02/08/2011 7:07:50 PM PST by r9etb
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To: linuxnut
Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.

No. To build a new Saturn V from blueprints would quickly become a real cluster f*ck. Imagine, if you will, trying to duplicate the '60s-era computers, materials, and whatnot. It would take more time, effort, and money, to try to retool and rebuild that obsolete old dinosaur than it would to start fresh.

The problem is not having to design a big Saturn-class rocket; for all its hugeness the Saturn V is a fairly simple design, especially as compared to more modern rockets. But it still costs a butt-load of money to do it, and it's made more difficult by the fact that the mission requirements are not firmly defined.

44 posted on 02/08/2011 7:13:54 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

I would like to hope not. It would be nice if the tooling an dies for it survived but knowing our sainted leaders, I wouldn’t count on it. Wasn’t the tooling and dies for the Blackbird ordered destroyed too years back or am I thinking of something else?


45 posted on 02/08/2011 7:23:38 PM PST by wally_bert (It's sheer elegance in its simplicity! - The Middleman)
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To: wally_bert
I would like to hope not. It would be nice if the tooling an dies for it survived but knowing our sainted leaders, I wouldn’t count on it.

I'm pretty sure they don't exist anymore ... why would they? It'd be like asking Ford to keep around the tooling and dies for their 1964 product line.

There are still companies that make rocket engines, and companies that make entire rockets. It's not an issue of capability: given proper funding and requirements, and a well-run program, a Saturn-class rocket could be turned out in a reasonable amount of time. But funding is a problem, requirements are not firm, and NASA management is a mess....

46 posted on 02/08/2011 7:30:34 PM PST by r9etb
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To: r9etb

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tqk0v5-7U_U


47 posted on 02/08/2011 7:30:41 PM PST by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Nachum

Sad. It was almost 40 years ago when I was working at NASA and one of the researchers there gloomily exclaimed that NASA had just passed a milestone: they now had one administrator for each researcher.


48 posted on 02/08/2011 11:04:25 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Why are TSA exempt from their own searches?)
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To: sionnsar
Sad. It was almost 40 years ago when I was working at NASA and one of the researchers there gloomily exclaimed that NASA had just passed a milestone: they now had one administrator for each researcher.

Your point is VERY well taken. Instead of a group of engineers and scientists with a mission, it's a group of largely bureaucrats with a mission to save their bureaucracy.

49 posted on 02/09/2011 8:44:33 AM PST by jimt
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To: NonZeroSum
There was nothing inexpensive about the Saturn.

I was referring to development cost, not production cost.

50 posted on 02/09/2011 4:30:30 PM PST by SteamShovel ("Does the noise in my head bother you?")
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