Skip to comments.NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket
Posted on 02/08/2011 4:50:10 PM PST by Nachum
The marching orders from Congress and the White House to NASA were pretty straightforward. Go out and build a new big rocket to replace the retiring space shuttle fleet. Unlike the shuttle, the new rocket has to be powerful enough to get out of low Earth orbit and carry humans to an asteroid and eventually Mars, perhaps even the moon. There must also be a test flight by 2016. But at this point, NASA officials are warning of a potentially devastating setback to future space exploration. Its first new rocket in 40 years may not happen because the agency doesn't
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Maybe they can outreach to Saudi for funding...
NASA must concentrate on making Muslims feel good an proving Globull Smarming is real. Who needs outer space?
Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.
Buy the Engergia from the Russkies?
It only flew twice (once in cargo mode, once carrying the
Buran). It seems about right.
I always wondered about their version of the SMU’s.
LOL! NASA Is a GW and Islamic joke. It was good when the Germans ran it.
Clintoon messed up NASA big time. I have physicist friends with connections to NASA, and they were not amused.
Bush did little or nothing to straighten things out. The lead scientist was too busy spouting off about global warming to do much else.
Obama, of course, has made things far worse. But it was in pretty dismal shape even before he got hold of it.
You would need Germans to build it. I doubt most of the NASA “engineers” could read the plans even if they are in English.
Von Braun’s plans are probably not in Arabic or ebonics.
SpaceX will pick up the slack.
Company Books Ride to the Moon
Astrobotic Technology reserves a spot on a private rocketship to deliver their lunar lander to the moon by as early as 2013.
SpaceX, the rocket company headed by serial entrepreneur Elon Musk, sold its first launch to the moon, a mission that gives Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic Technology, a Carnegie Mellon University spin-off, an early lead in a $32 million race to land a privately owned rover on the lunar surface.
The contract, announced Sunday, reserves a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket to fly Astrobotic Technology’s lander and rover to the moon as early as December 2013.
“For every hundred technology developments there is one that has a ride booked. It’s a real distinguishing factor,” David Gump, president of Pittsburgh-based Astrobotic Technology, told Discovery News.
There’s room aboard the Falcon 9 for another 240 pounds of additional cargo, space Astrobotic Technology is selling for $700,000 per pound, plus a $250,000-per-payoad fee for integration, communications and other support services.
SpaceX’s Falcon 9, which has made two successful flights, is the same rocket NASA is buying to fly cargo — and perhaps eventually astronauts — to the International Space Station after the shuttles are retired in about six months.
Aside from adjusting navigation software, Falcon 9 doesn’t need any modifications to reach lunar orbit, Musk wrote in an email to Discovery News.
“Falcon 9 is capable of launching missions to the moon, Mars or beyond. Payload to the moon is about three tons and to Mars about two tons, meaning Falcon 9 could have launched the Spirit and Opportunity Mars rovers on a single flight,” wrote Musk.
Nasa is the islamic fell good agency they have no business in space besides zero took all thier money
Elon Musk is that POS who got loads of govt money for hsi electric car that will never be economically viable.
Politically incorrect builders, operators, and materials used so start over.
That muslim outreach is expensive.
I guess dipping into their Muslim Outreach budget is out of the question. A space agency has it’s priorities, I’m sure.
“Objective: Build us a new rocket.
Schedule: four years.
Mission: Undefined. Maybe Mars. Maybe an asteroid. Certainly beyond low earth orbit. Let’s launch it and see how far it’ll go.
Yep, that’s the way to start a huge new engineering project. Sounds just like all the fast choo-choos we are starting to build all over the place.
Hey! NASA and Barry can buy one from the local Muslim Rocket and Mosque Manufacturing Company. No problem — Barry’s Muslim brothers will give him a discount for selling out America to Islam and Saudi Arabia.
Sounds logical to me.
Using new materials and/or methods where it makes sense, why re-invent the wheel?
You can re-invent the wheel for future use, but for now we need to get going as inexpensively as possible.
Rockets??? I thought NASA's job was to lift the drooping self esteem of Moslems by reminding them they 'invented' algebra. Although those same Moslems might want to be reminded that the ancient Egyptians had far more advanced mathematics than algebra, which they used to build the Pyramids; those phenominal structures that even most modern day architects cannot explain.
The only real relationship between NASA and Islam should be that NASA get commissioned to develop an 'invisible' non-nuclear tipped missile that will fall straight on top of their moon rock in mecca and vaporize it. And nobody could prove from whence it came. Ahhh, but I dream. STAND UP, NASA, and shout from the rooftops how wonderful Muslims are, that's your new job, foster Islamo-esteem. Forget all that missile and space ship stuff.
Yes, haven't you heard?
I like how the article gives Barrys goal of landing on an A$$teroid, then maybe Mars, and oh yes, possibly the moon.
The most logical and accessible target is listed as an afterthought because Barry doesn't want to go there again. I think it makes most sense since we really haven't tried to USE the moon yet, we just went - picked up some rocks - and left for a very long time.
The vision of grandeur, exhilaration, wonders of exploration, Mankind reaching out to the heavens, indubitably where one day we'll be headed if Mankind ever expects to survive despite its best (worst?) intentions to the contrary.
Imagine it was in the final days of the 60's decade. President Kennedy's goal of landing a man on the moon met its goal landing four men on the moon before the decade was out with time to spare Somehow you had the ability to look forty years into the future to the present year, 2011. Certainly you take for granted that we've colonized the moon in a big way, the only suspense would be is whether we've made in to Mars, have started a colony by 2011
.... The headlines for NASA are coming into focus, getting clearer, let's see, NASA, yeah, yeah..!!What??&$#*$??!!!(the equivalent of WTF for the 60's).
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket.What??&$#*$??!!!
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket!What??&$#*$??!!!!!
NASA says its pockets not deep enough for new rocket!!What??&$#*$??!!!
Who woulda thunk it?? An absolute tragedy for the USA, the world, Mankind... :-(
It proves beyond a doubt that the space program, Apollo. landing men on the moon was not at all about science only about the Cold War, the need to outdo each other.
The comment no more whitey on the moon was totally tacky, tasteless and despite how we all feel about Zero, it really had no place on this thread.
Yeah those stupid americans can’t build anything.
“Are we a third world country all of a sudden? “
Just last week Texas accepted electricity from Mexico because of power outages.
There was nothing inexpensive about the Saturn. Its cost was the reason we quit going to the moon.
“We dumped the Shuttle and it’s successor isn’t even approved???”
“Are we a third world country all of a sudden?”
Yes. People voted for this. America is broke. Not going broke but broke. Americans vote for this everyday when they turn on their TV because ALL TV loves Obama.
If Allah wanted man to go out in space he would have put wings on horses.
But we must have at least 800 billion in wealth transfer for welfare programs and “public education”.
How well we spend the confiscated money of our citizens.
I keep telling folks, "It's later than you think."
Once the Chinese put a flag on the moonand especially once they start zoning itwe'll dump the chumps and the race will be on. But that's way too late to play catch up.
Just break out the blueprints for the Saturn 1B or V. Problem solved.
Just as soon as the FBI returns them... confiscated and likely burned and destroyed along wtih all tools and dies after Apollo shut down.
And even if they had them right now, all the computer programmers and engineers are either dead or in old folks homes. Has been said that trying to reastart the old Apollo program would cost more than building a new system from scratch.
“SpaceX will pick up the slack”.
While I am a huge fan of SpaceX, and Burt Rattan, and all those guys, and fully believe they are 100% capable of extrordinary things (I watched space ship 1 launch), whatch for the government (especially this administration) to regulate these guys to death.
I fully expect that to happen.
If Elon was smart he’d sell his share of the Tesla car company and focus completely on getting America back into space.
As the government regulates those small start up companies to death the big boys can come in like these.
...the Moon, an asteroid, and perhaps even Mars.
Where did you hear that?
No. To build a new Saturn V from blueprints would quickly become a real cluster f*ck. Imagine, if you will, trying to duplicate the '60s-era computers, materials, and whatnot. It would take more time, effort, and money, to try to retool and rebuild that obsolete old dinosaur than it would to start fresh.
The problem is not having to design a big Saturn-class rocket; for all its hugeness the Saturn V is a fairly simple design, especially as compared to more modern rockets. But it still costs a butt-load of money to do it, and it's made more difficult by the fact that the mission requirements are not firmly defined.
I would like to hope not. It would be nice if the tooling an dies for it survived but knowing our sainted leaders, I wouldn’t count on it. Wasn’t the tooling and dies for the Blackbird ordered destroyed too years back or am I thinking of something else?
I'm pretty sure they don't exist anymore ... why would they? It'd be like asking Ford to keep around the tooling and dies for their 1964 product line.
There are still companies that make rocket engines, and companies that make entire rockets. It's not an issue of capability: given proper funding and requirements, and a well-run program, a Saturn-class rocket could be turned out in a reasonable amount of time. But funding is a problem, requirements are not firm, and NASA management is a mess....
Sad. It was almost 40 years ago when I was working at NASA and one of the researchers there gloomily exclaimed that NASA had just passed a milestone: they now had one administrator for each researcher.
Your point is VERY well taken. Instead of a group of engineers and scientists with a mission, it's a group of largely bureaucrats with a mission to save their bureaucracy.
I was referring to development cost, not production cost.
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