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Administration Official: Obama to Offer Three Plans to Phase Out Fannie, Freddie
national journal ^ | 2/8/11 | Jim Tankersley

Posted on 02/08/2011 7:38:28 PM PST by Nachum

President Obama will offer three plans to phase out the troubled home lending agencies Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, an administration official said Tuesday night.

The plans range from a full government guarantee of the housing market to removing nearly all federal backstops for housing loans, said the official, who spoke on condition of anonymity.

The plans were first reported Tuesday night by The Wall Street Journal.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: administration; fannie; freddie; official

1 posted on 02/08/2011 7:38:33 PM PST by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

The list, ping

Let me know if you would like to be on or off the ping list

http://www.nachumlist.com/


2 posted on 02/08/2011 7:40:12 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: Nachum

How about stop giving them money and declare them private businesses??


3 posted on 02/08/2011 7:40:24 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: GeronL
Amen! Stop having the FedGov back mortgages.

When companies don't feel the pain of their risk taking, they will take lots of foolish risks.

4 posted on 02/08/2011 7:43:30 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: GeronL
Amen! Stop having the FedGov back mortgages.

When companies don't feel the pain of their risk taking, they will take lots of foolish risks.

5 posted on 02/08/2011 7:43:38 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: Nachum

LOL

He’s gonna replace them with a Freddie Czar and a Franny Czar


6 posted on 02/08/2011 7:48:28 PM PST by mamelukesabre (Si Vis Pacem Para Bellum (If you want peace prepare for war))
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To: TheWriterTX

If its not their money, their paycheck, their bonus, their pension... they don’t care about taking risks.


7 posted on 02/08/2011 7:52:25 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: Nachum
Obama has never managed so much as a fruit stand and now he's going to dismantle the entire mortgage industry! Wow! Get me a front row seat!
8 posted on 02/08/2011 8:00:20 PM PST by April Lexington (Study the Constitution so you know what they are taking away!)
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To: April Lexington

But the friends of Obama certainly are for a single national bank....


9 posted on 02/08/2011 8:03:08 PM PST by Nachum (The complete Obama list at www.nachumlist.com)
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To: TheWriterTX; GeronL

When individuals do have the pain of saving and being responsible day-in, day-out for their adult lifetimes, they might cease behaving foolishly.


10 posted on 02/08/2011 8:08:32 PM PST by One Name
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To: Nachum

But what is he planning to put in their place?


11 posted on 02/08/2011 8:10:40 PM PST by skr (May God confound the enemy)
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To: Nachum
0'Government buys all the houses.

You pick up a set of keys at the Post Office.

You wonder about the country until you find the house that fits your keys.

You live happily ever after, until it takes your keys next year!

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12 posted on 02/08/2011 8:12:31 PM PST by Cyber Ninja (Live and Let Live; is not working...)
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To: April Lexington
Obama has never managed so much as a fruit stand and now he's going to dismantle the entire mortgage industry!

Well, he's damn near dismantled an entire country, so...

13 posted on 02/08/2011 8:15:31 PM PST by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal The 16th Amendment!)
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To: One Name

true that.

Lets try it with government.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 8:23:46 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: One Name
Absolutely!

My husband and I purposefully chose a modest house because we didn't want the other to struggle if something happened to one of us.

The "I've got to have it now" attitude is too much for me to take lately, especially when my tax dollars are footing the bill!

15 posted on 02/08/2011 8:30:15 PM PST by TheWriterTX (Buy Ammo Often)
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To: skr

hopefully nothing


16 posted on 02/08/2011 8:31:22 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: TheWriterTX

The Articles of Confederation look good to me right now.


17 posted on 02/08/2011 8:32:42 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: TheWriterTX

Too many jackrabbits these days- the turtle used to win the race. At least that’s the story my mom read to me when I was a little kid.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 8:38:03 PM PST by One Name
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To: GeronL

That’s a pretty radical concept. Everyone but the fed has to live by it.

What hacks me off is that I can see printing money if the entire Western Hemisphere or more is in danger, like in WWII. These clowns have lived like this in the best of times...


19 posted on 02/08/2011 8:41:33 PM PST by One Name
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To: GeronL

“How about stop giving them money and declare them private businesses??”

They were private until Dubya decided that taxpayers should save them from going bankrupt.


20 posted on 02/08/2011 8:42:04 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: Pelham

About as private as the Post Office.


21 posted on 02/08/2011 8:44:09 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: Nachum

Yeah, just like he proposed cutting the deficit and government spending AFTER increasing it more than any president in history.

A**HOLE!


22 posted on 02/08/2011 8:46:01 PM PST by Fledermaus (WAKE UP! Get rid of the LIBS in GOP. If not us, who? If not now, when?)
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To: One Name; TheWriterTX; GeronL

Fannie and Freddie were both private, stockholder owned companies when they were leveraging themselves to the hilt during the bubble.

There had been no government backing of them since Lyndon Johnson’s day, and there was zero taxpayer responsibility to bail them out. You’ll have to ask Dubya why he decided to stick us with the bill for saving them.


23 posted on 02/08/2011 8:48:05 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: Nachum

Yeah, just like he proposed cutting the deficit and government spending AFTER increasing it more than any president in history.

A**HOLE!


24 posted on 02/08/2011 8:48:13 PM PST by Fledermaus (WAKE UP! Get rid of the LIBS in GOP. If not us, who? If not now, when?)
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To: GeronL

“About as private as the Post Office.”

Oh? And since when can you buy stock in the Post Office?

You are simply wrong.

Fannie was created as a government entity in the 1930s and remained so until Lyndon Johnson’s administration. He spun them off to the private sector to get the agency off the federal budget. It has been owned by stockholders since then, and it is still listed on the stock exchange.

Freddie was created as a competitor to Fannie so that Fannie wouldn’t have a monopoly. It has been a stockholder owned corporation since its creation and it is still a listed stock.


25 posted on 02/08/2011 8:53:25 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: Pelham

I believe you are correct. What I am unclear about is the lowering of standards for down-payment and loan qualification, and the political pressure for the above that occurred and resulted in massive default. When I first bought a house, seems I had to have a minimum of 10% down payment; then I heard of 5% 1st time home buyer loans, then zero-down loans, and then worse than that (Not sure if pseudo-feds went that far).

If the federal government guarantee wasn’t there, would they (mortgage companies) have pushed the stakeholder risk that low on their own? Some may have, IMHO, but not to the point it sank to.

If you want to own something, you have to have a healthy ability to execute. We lost sight of that because of unreasonable expectation of value appreciation.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 9:13:28 PM PST by One Name
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To: Nachum
It all leads back to the same conclusion:
27 posted on 02/08/2011 9:23:24 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: mirkwood

28 posted on 02/08/2011 9:26:09 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: TheWriterTX

I think that stopping the govt backing of loans needs to phased out, or we won’t live long enough to see the market recover. They never should have backed them to begin with but pulling the plug now would plummet current values.


29 posted on 02/08/2011 9:26:16 PM PST by east1234 (Cut, Kill, Dig and Drill!)
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To: mirkwood

30 posted on 02/08/2011 9:27:39 PM PST by mirkwood (Palin-Bachmann 2012)
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To: Nachum

cover up.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 9:39:24 PM PST by dalebert
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To: TheWriterTX
And government may not leave you with enough of your own money to afford a modest house. Taxes and insurance on a modest house are not so modest anymore. Not to mention the utilities. This small town charges more for water and sewer than a major metropolitan area.
32 posted on 02/08/2011 9:42:56 PM PST by dalebert
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To: Nachum
"removing nearly all federal backstops for housing loans"

I'll take Door #3!

33 posted on 02/08/2011 10:12:48 PM PST by Uncle Miltie (0bamanomics: Punish Success, Reward Failure. Destroying America is the point.)
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To: east1234

Shhh...don’t inject common sense. It upsets people.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 7:08:58 PM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: One Name

” What I am unclear about is the lowering of standards for down-payment and loan qualification, and the political pressure for the above that occurred and resulted in massive default.”

Actually there was little to no political pressure involved. The culprits who lowered standards were the unregulated investment bank and hedge fund rivals of Fannie and Freddie. The IBs and Hedgies came out with ARMs, no down, no docs, NINJAs, all of the exotic paper and took big market share away from stodgy old Fannie and Freddie, who continued to stick with conforming paper.

“If the federal government guarantee wasn’t there, would they (mortgage companies) have pushed the stakeholder risk that low on their own? “

The would and they did. The mortgage market had changed dramatically. The lenders were bundling and selling off everything. They had no intention of hanging on to the paper they created. The were selling CDOs, CDOs squared, synthetic CDOs, and every sort of derivative imaginable. The problem for the lenders is that their model was flawed and they weren’t protected from the fallout of the toxic paper they were writing.


35 posted on 02/09/2011 9:52:08 PM PST by Pelham (Islam, for the humorless life)
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To: east1234

My plan, that I came up with driving to work today:

(the initial idea I heard somewhere but nobody has really elaborated)

Let’s assume that there has to be some structure in place and that completely removing government in one fell swoop would send property values to 40% of where they are now...which is probably true, so a pragmatic solution could be:

Instead of the government backing loans with an average size of $250,000 or whatever, why not second mortgages (as down payments, I don’t mean “equity loans” which could still be offered by private institutions)??

Let’s say that the first mortgage market (as in first lein position) returns to a pre-CRA status, similar to how Fannie and Freddie operated from around 1968 to about 1992 - private companies that had an implicit government guarantee but never used it, and lent responsibly and allowed money to be available to lend at reasonalbe standards. Let’s allow a new company to be created to do this (so as not to have FNMA/FHLMC’s baggage) that can provide funding, securitization, etc for the mortgage market. This will operate just like the old Fannie (pre-CRA) but have NO government guarantee implicit or otherwise, it will simply work with the free market. This organization will help banks provide mortgage loans up to probably 80% of the purchase price (or value at refinance) of a home, more or less. It could vary a bit either way but let’s just say 80% for now. So, a 20% down payment is required. The banks can lend either out of their own deposits the old-fashioned way, or use securitization via “New Private Fannie” as I call it (obviously it would have a cooler name than that) as Fannie/Freddie did for years.

Where government guarantees get involved is in that other 20%. It would operate similar to FHA, where various banks would provide the servicing and initial funding, but it would be insured/backed by government. This would be a second mortgage loan (I’ll hereby refer to as “Government Seconds”) that would close with the first (so you’d have two payments) at market rates (right now probably around 6 - 7%) and go up to a total of 95% of the home value (first loan to 80%, another 15% by this second loan) and allow as little as 5% down payment. The payoff term will be shorter than 30 yrs, say 15 years (even if the large first mortgage is a 30 year) to ensure the government portion gets paid off first. However, since the first being at 80% will eliminate need for PMI, the combined payments between both loans will add up to about the same as the single payment on a 3% down FHA loan would today.

Now the fun part. The second mortgages will be in second lein position (obviously), meaning in a foreclosure scenario, the (private) first mortgage lender is first in line to get paid off. However, the second mortgage will now be treated more like a student loan or IRS tax debt - in other words, NOT dischargeable in bankruptcy, and will pretty much have to be paid off if you attempt to buy another house. Since the amounts will be much smaller, it will be more reasonable to have that expectation (fully disclosed when you get a loan) that this small second loan will stick to you until it’s paid pretty much no matter what, just like an IRS lein would.

The “Government Second” is a purchase only product with one exception - meaning, you cannot use this loan to cash out, only to buy a house. The exception would be if you have a large (greater than 80% loan to value) pre-existing mortgage and wish to refinance, you can get a new private first and new Government Second just that one time at refinance but can’t get cash out of it, can only do it to improve rate/term/payment.

Once you have a Government Second and wish to refinance later on, you either must pay off that second with private money (either a single first mortgage to pay off both old loans if you have the equity, or a private new second mortgage), or, subordinate it to the new first mortgage (meaning government agrees to stay in second lein position.

Furthermore, you can’t have two of these “government seconds” at one time, so if you want to buy investment properties or a second home, you have to have the down payment, or, find a private lender willing to lend on little down payment.

This accomplishes several things.

1. Provides homebuyers with options who don’t have 20% down, and keeps the pool of buyers larger than a 20% down requirement across the board would, preventing huge price drops below what we’ve already seen.

2. Keeps private banks private, and since they’re first in line if a foreclosure occurs, they take less loss, and taxpayers aren’t on the hook.

3. The tax-like nature of the debt means that in most cases the government will get their money as they do with IRS debts now on that second mortgage, if a foreclosure indeed occured. The smaller loan amounts that government is involved with also means a much smaller actual dollar amount that taxpayers are on the hook for even in a worst-case scenario.

4. Due to the “sticky” nature of that second loan, it somewhat eliminates the “no skin in the game” problem inherent with low-down mortgages.

There are two reasons low down payment loans are risky - one is the lack of equity and the other is that, if you put less of your own hard-earned cash into it, you’re more likely to walk when the going gets tough. Since this government second doesn’t really go away, it at least to some degree improves the incentive to pay for low down payment loans to probably almost as high as it would be if they’d put the cash down.


36 posted on 02/10/2011 6:47:27 AM PST by RockinRight (if the choice is between Crazy and Commie, I choose Crazy.)
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To: Nachum

There was no word on the elimination of Barny Frank and Chris Dodd. Both need to be destroyed in the process

Ditto Eliot Spitzer who is also complicit. I know, he is in hell at CNN but that punishment is inadequate.


37 posted on 02/10/2011 6:50:17 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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