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Gays and the GOP: Palin and Pawlenty Explore the Hornet's Nest
Atlantic ^ | 2/8/11 | Elspeth Reeve

Posted on 02/08/2011 9:47:44 PM PST by pissant

Sarah Palin did not say she supports gay marriage. She hasn't celebrated the repeal of Don't Ask Don't Tell. But she also did not say that a gay Republican group should be banned from participating in a big Republican conference, and for that, social conservatives are begging her to "clarify."

Controversy has been brewing for months over GOProud, a gay conservative group, and its participation in CPAC, one of the biggest Republican events of the year--a must-do for most aspiring presidential hopefuls. Many social conservative groups are boycotting the conference because GOProud was allowed to participate. But Palin said she thought GOProud belonged at the table, telling the Christian Broadcasting Network, "Should conservatives not reach out to others, not participate in events or forums that perhaps arising within those forums are issues that maybe we don’t personally agree with? And I say no." Palin then likened letting a gay group in the conference to sitting on a panel with "a bunch of the liberal folks."

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TOPICS: Government
KEYWORDS: cpac; dailykospissant; dailykosposter; dialykospissant; duncandonuts; falconpartyof1; freepressforpalin; goproud; homosexualagenda; palin; pissant4fisters; pissant4obama; pissant4rinos; pissantscomingout; poofers; tpaw
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1 posted on 02/08/2011 9:47:49 PM PST by pissant
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To: pissant; All

Wonder how the Palin supporters are gonna spin this one...


2 posted on 02/08/2011 9:54:49 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: pissant

Palin has a libertarian view on gays


3 posted on 02/08/2011 9:56:19 PM PST by 4rcane
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

No worries. They figured out that angle the minute it became news. What impresses me is that TPaw is the only one so far I’m aware of that wants to re-institute DADT and overturn the “queers in the military” Obama wet dream


4 posted on 02/08/2011 10:00:11 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: 4rcane

I think you will get some argument from other Palin fans on that.


5 posted on 02/08/2011 10:01:34 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

Whoa mama.
Pawlenty opposes DADT
She is not as conservative as some think.


6 posted on 02/08/2011 10:04:10 PM PST by JaneNC (I)
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To: JaneNC

Pawlenty opposed it’s REPEAL. IOW, he wants to keep open flamers out of our military. And he is not a she. LOL


7 posted on 02/08/2011 10:06:50 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

No worries. They figured out that angle the minute it became news. What impresses me is that TPaw is the only one so far I’m aware of that wants to re-institute DADT and overturn the “queers in the military” Obama wet dream


Interesting that Pawlenty has so strongly come out (no pun intended) against the repeal of DADT.


8 posted on 02/08/2011 10:08:59 PM PST by UCFRoadWarrior (Newt Gingrich and Chris Matthews: Seperated at Birth??)
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To: pissant

Homosexuality is clearly a sin for any believer. Sin is a choice. Yes, there are those genetically caught between. Some eunuchs are made by God, some by man.

I can’t compromise on what the Bible says- that is my religion. I can compromise on politics- it’s of this earth and not strictly of God. As much as is possible, I am encouraged to live at peace with all men.

If they wish to vote with us, they can. If they wish for me to endorse their lifestyle, I cannot.

A Free Republic by definition implies a certain tolerance. The Founders included Deists, and others. Mormons are a conservative block that I disagree with on a religious level, but I welcome their support against the destructive tide we are facing.

I compromise politically, but not on doctrine religiously.


9 posted on 02/08/2011 10:09:13 PM PST by One Name
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To: 4rcane

I believe you are correct. That would, btw, be totally in keeping with her Alaskan upbringing, as that is one of the more libertarian and least religious of our states.

I imagine (and this is just a guess on my part) that she’d want this issue would be resolved by Federalism, rather than a big government, D.C. dictated result.

Just my two cents...


10 posted on 02/08/2011 10:11:15 PM PST by Daisyjane69 (Michael Reagan: "Welcome back, Dad, even if you're wearing a dress and bearing children this time)
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To: UCFRoadWarrior

If he rejects his previous global warming BS, then I’ll think about giving him a serious look.


11 posted on 02/08/2011 10:13:12 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: One Name

They can all vote conservative. Fine by me. But I will oppose their agenda vigorously. The Log Cabiners only pretended to be conservatives. This new group, I’ll bet is in the same stealth mode.


12 posted on 02/08/2011 10:16:00 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

By that reasoning, if a group called “GOPooch” agrees with conservative issues 95%, but argues for decriminalization of bestiality ...sigh


13 posted on 02/08/2011 10:19:18 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: pissant

There’s a muslim tolerance group (Muslims for America, or some such) presenting a block at CPAC this week.

I extend the same to them....

Don’t expect us to bend too far.


14 posted on 02/08/2011 10:20:06 PM PST by One Name
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To: icwhatudo

Wonder what GOP Proud thinks the “age of consent” should be? I know these bastards were helping Obama every step of the way in supporting the repeal of DADT.


15 posted on 02/08/2011 10:22:06 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

My comment was in reference to Palin’s statement (and others who welcome GOProud to CPAC). Not at your statement.


16 posted on 02/08/2011 10:24:13 PM PST by icwhatudo ("laws requiring compulsory abortion could be sustained under the constitution"-Obama official)
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To: pissant

HERE WE GO AGAIN... This is classic liberal gamecraft. Find the issue the candidate will split their base with. You guys are idiots for falling for it again. Over and Over again. Look who wrote the article? The Atlantic, yes they are so concerned with GOP alignment issues. Sometimes people like Pissant and others drive me insane because they have A.D.O.S

Attention Deficit OHHH Shiny! Dangle crap in front of your face and you chase it right off the cliff.


17 posted on 02/08/2011 10:25:02 PM PST by Walkingfeather
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To: One Name

I’d truly like to see a muslim group become legit defenders of America. I know a couple Iranian expats who are. But they need to start tearing after the apologists and sharia-freaks before I’m going to give this new group the time of day.


18 posted on 02/08/2011 10:25:26 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: icwhatudo

I figgered as much


19 posted on 02/08/2011 10:27:20 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

Is this thread a Bad Joke?

TPaw? Puhleeze!
Greenest Boogie Monster ever posing as GOP.

Mittskie signed the Gay law in MA.

Huckster got McQueeg the nomination by default.

If Sarah never came on board McQueeg would have been chasing the missing Strawberries and looking for his 1000K vote.

Get off of the cocktail party cucumber sandwiches and Chardonnay on Demand.

Forget the GOP.


20 posted on 02/08/2011 10:27:36 PM PST by acapesket
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To: acapesket

I’m not in the GOP


21 posted on 02/08/2011 10:30:18 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

I’ve known a few- one was from Kuwait. Went to a wedding once for his sister. She was the most beautiful Arabian Princess (and her bridesmaids) you ever saw- obviously their tradition predates Islam.

They do seem unwilling to take a stand against the militants- who are they more afraid of?


22 posted on 02/08/2011 10:40:15 PM PST by One Name
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To: pissant

Sounds like we are going to have a tough time finding a perfect candidate. Good thing CPAC isn’t a church organization. Although the way some of the ecumenical churches have been going, they might have less problems with GOProud than average conservatives.


23 posted on 02/08/2011 10:40:20 PM PST by pallis
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To: pissant
As ABC News' Michael Falcone notes, American Principles Project president Frank Cannon called on Palin to "clarify" whether her definition of marriage is "a core component of conservatism"--since she probably wouldn't want a socialist group to participate in CPAC.

Has she clarified yet?

24 posted on 02/08/2011 10:44:04 PM PST by FTJM
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To: pissant

Who said? Just making a comment.

Chill pills are in order.


25 posted on 02/08/2011 10:45:03 PM PST by acapesket
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To: Daisyjane69

Alaskans may be similar to us high Sierra people. People of all persuasions can participate in society. But.. a fellow had better keep his hands to himself.

Gov. Palin is an attractive candidate and she will attract lesbian and gay support as well. She has advocates in both communities and probably will make every effort to make all voters comfortable with her. If you think she will change her views informed by her religion in order to win over any certain constituency, you don’t understand Gov. Palin.


26 posted on 02/08/2011 10:45:29 PM PST by excopconservative
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To: FTJM

Right after she clarifies her retweet of Tammy’s little ditty, I’m sure.


27 posted on 02/08/2011 10:45:48 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

I won’t hold my breath. Thankfully, Bristol writing her memoir...


28 posted on 02/08/2011 10:48:03 PM PST by FTJM
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To: pissant

Dana ?


29 posted on 02/08/2011 10:48:07 PM PST by rbmillerjr (I will not, under any circumstances, vote for Mitt Romney....none.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Gertrude?


30 posted on 02/08/2011 10:48:45 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

David Keene is responsible for alienating conservatives around the country by allowing GO Proud a place in CPAC. GO Proud advocates same-sex “marriage,” a repeal of the military’s “don’t ask, don’t tell” policy, and “expanding access to domestic partner benefits” for homosexuals. Our wise leader, Jim Robinson, is among those boycotting CPAC.

I consider GO Proud a Trojan Horse designed to destroy what was a good home for conservatives around the country. I commend Sarah Palin for turning down the invitation to speak. She is being careful not to make comments about CPAC because she is well aware of the political dynamics at work in this situation.

One of my close friends, who has been a major player with CPAC, has told me he wouldn’t touch CPAC with a ten foot pole. His organization along with others are jerking their funding of CPAC. Those who will sustain CPAC are not conservatives.


31 posted on 02/08/2011 11:14:07 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: jonrick46

Palin is still an official sponsor via SarahPAC.


32 posted on 02/08/2011 11:16:12 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: pissant

First of all, homosexuality is not compatible with our Constitution which is based on Natural Law Theory and God’s Laws. We can not retain the Republic if we kick the Founding legal system out.

Postmodern German philosophy (philosophy of cultural Marxism and the push for homosexual paganism/hedonism) does not accept Christianity in the public square. It is blatantly unconstitutional to create laws that go against Natural Law.

Oliver Wendell Holmes removed our moral system away from its base: Natural Law theory which presupposes a Supreme Being. That should NEVER be allowed.

We cease to the the United States of America where we have inalienable right from GOD. Certain things are immutable—certain things were inalienable....NO ONE and NO LAW can deny the right to worship God or deny Natural Law Theory.

Homosexuality promoted by legal force, does both. It rewrites the Bible or makes it Hate Speech. You can not say that this behavior is genetic...it is a lie...proven by science...so it can NEVER be equated with race. It is a behavior that is learned....look at Afghanistan. That homosexual country not only sodomizes boys which is a part of homosexuality, because you HAVE to pervert a boys nature when they are forming their sexual identity. It also hates women.

When you endorse demeaning sexual behaviors that make human beings amoral animals....then they will treat people like animals. It is what the homosexual brownshirts did in Germany. They molested the Hitler Youth. Hitler put known pederasts in charge. They brought boys for the SA officers to use. The Greeks pro-homosexual culture gave boys for mentoring to men when they were seven. It was sexual mentoring and no different than Afghanistan, except the Greeks trained the boys so they could be warriors and not just prostitutes.

All those laws that have orientation in it are unconstitutional...that means beastiality has to be respected and pederasty or incest. If orientation was genetic...then why are some men attracted to infants or animals. You honestly think they are born attracted to an animal or baby. How bizarre is that thinking?????? Homosexuality is learned....because of emotional and/or physical trauma in the formative years of childhood. By endorsing homosexuality we are condoning child abuse. It defies logic to accept their premise that homosexuality is not caused by trauma. It is right out of cultural Marxism and a lie.

Palin and all Conservatives have to get back to the meaning and intent of the Constitution. Black’s Law Dictionary defined civil marriage as “the legal union of a man and woman as husband and wife.” How have we allowed the judiciary to define it differently. It is immutable...and the Founding Fathers plainly stated that Natural Law is universal for all people and cultures and NEVER CHANGES. It is MARX that says everything EVOLVES!!!! That is Communism, NOT OUR REPUBLIC.

To not acknowledge the difference in a male and female is bizarre and Marxist. They want to “redesign” women and men to their image—not God’s. We are a government under God—that is why we are exceptional.

I can not even believe I have to write this.

Marxists twisted the language and meaning of words to control the dialogue and thinking and they are using Alinsky techniques to destroy everyone who dares say the truth. Political Correctness is killing this country and creating twisted thinking. It is like we are living in Alice’s Wonderland.


33 posted on 02/08/2011 11:34:24 PM PST by savagesusie
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To: pissant
"Palin is still an official sponsor via SarahPAC."

I guess you would call it exploring the hornet's nest. Some kind of showing at CPAC is better than no showing; especially when it means influencing the crowd for the straw vote later. With SarahPAC being sponsors of the Presidential Diamond Reception it tells me they are playing the political dynamics as best as they can.

34 posted on 02/08/2011 11:43:17 PM PST by jonrick46 (We're being water boarded with the sewage of Fabian Socialism.)
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To: jonrick46

I’d reckon she was in before the GOProud crowd was. I don’t really care, since I’ve not been enamored by CPAC for some time.


35 posted on 02/08/2011 11:47:02 PM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: 4rcane
Palin has a libertarian view on gays

LOL.  Debatable. She can't sweep this issue under the rug, at some point in time she's going to have to be honest about her position on gays, the gay agenda and DADT itself. Like it or not, this is a litmus test for social conservatives. Dodging the issue altogether or staking a nuanced view is totally unacceptable and she will get hammered for it by social conservatives and the press if she goes that route.

36 posted on 02/09/2011 12:10:20 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: JaneNC

Pawenty opposed the repeal. Pawlenty isn’t as conservative as you think.


37 posted on 02/09/2011 12:20:25 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: BigSkyFreeper

Opposing the repeal was the conservative position.


38 posted on 02/09/2011 12:31:57 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: One Name
Homosexuality is clearly a sin for any believer. Sin is a choice

Do you imply then that heterosexuals are making a choice to not be homosexual? Freud felt similarly I think. In his book "Totem and Taboo" he described primitive aboriginal tribesmen and their various taboo prohibitions. According to him, touching a religious idol, for example, was prohibited to everyone except a priest of sufficient rank or, possibly a king. He believed that it was prohibited because once common tribesmen saw other common tribesmen touching the religious idol without any divine consequences, the power of the God would come into question as would the power of the priest and the King. What's more, the violator himself would become taboo. To look upon him would invite further violations and, as such, violators of the taboo prohibition had to be punished lest the entire tribe succumb to their temptation. Punishment typically meant death of course. It's an interesting book chocked full of useless tidbits like this.

39 posted on 02/09/2011 12:38:52 AM PST by RC one
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To: pissant

I’ll still vote for her if she wins the primary.


40 posted on 02/09/2011 1:06:13 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

Me too. With my nose plugged.


41 posted on 02/09/2011 1:09:50 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: One Name

I’m worried more about the muslim group than GOProud. So many muslim groups in this country appear to be connected to the Muslim Brotherhood or some other inimical group.

As far as I know, GOProud is not linked to the Sodom and Gomorrah “Give Us Your Men So That We May Know Them” Brotherhood, who wish to establish a Global Caliphate and subject “breeders” to dhimmi status...


42 posted on 02/09/2011 1:11:38 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: pissant

Heh. Nobody’s perfect.


43 posted on 02/09/2011 1:12:06 AM PST by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (up)
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To: pissant

Right. I stand corrected. He’s pushing a green agenda. I cannot support that.


44 posted on 02/09/2011 1:13:31 AM PST by BigSkyFreeper (You have entered an invalid birthday)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

True dat. But some are awfully close, while others suck on a multitude of fronts.


45 posted on 02/09/2011 1:16:10 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: BigSkyFreeper

I bet he isn’t pushing it now. But his idiotic ‘green’ streak reminds me of Newtered.


46 posted on 02/09/2011 1:18:06 AM PST by pissant ((Bachmann 2012 - Freepmail to get on/off PING list))
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To: RC one

Homosexuality is unnatural. It is destructive to the body and causes disease. It goes against Natural Law Theory which is what our legal system is founded on. It should never have been taken off of the APA list of disorders where it sat for centuries.

It is a learned behavior and encourages child abuse. Primitive societies that promote the behavior have lots of it and the ones that discourage it...have little of it. Look at the homosexual Afghanis who sodomize their boys and dress them as girls. They do it because they were sodomized by men when they were boys. It has gone on for centuries as it did in Greece and Rome until Christianity was the paradigm of Western Civilization. It is sick behavior because it is the perversion of nature and it is caused by child abuse—either rape or emotional demeaning of the sexual identity of the child in formative years.

Where are the homosexual animals in nature? But of course, you can make animals homosexual in perverse situations in captivity like they did to penguins and Rhesus monkeys. (Although the penguin dumped the male for a female later. Monkeys that were denied maternal care ended up as anti-social, killing others of its kind and unable to procreate...practicing only abnormal homosexual sex. There is abundant proof that it is abnormal, learned behavior. There is no “gay” gene.


47 posted on 02/09/2011 1:22:41 AM PST by savagesusie
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To: FTJM

Yes she has, in a recent interview.

“Well, the - David - question... I think you`re referring to the act.. if two people who aren`t...Adam and Eve would be not a good example if a couple who believe they`re people whose plumbing, I think that would be something, also.”

(I like Sarah... just having a little fun with her ability to jam 75 words into a 5-word response)

;-)


48 posted on 02/09/2011 2:21:38 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: Tolerance Sucks Rocks

I would too.


49 posted on 02/09/2011 2:23:43 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: pissant

Gay marriage and all the associated BS that goes along with it is a state issue not a National issue as it seems to be along with a lot of petty as crap. The only thing any National Leader should be concerned with is the defense of the US and a strong foreign policy.

The Federal government has limits and that’s where national politics should stay.


50 posted on 02/09/2011 2:30:53 AM PST by maddog55 (OBAMA, You can't fix stupid...)
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