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Report: Car Headlights Suspect in Death of White House Adviser's Wife
Fox news ^ | Feb 9 2011 | Fox news

Posted on 02/09/2011 2:54:05 AM PST by crosslink

Edited on 02/09/2011 6:51:12 AM PST by Admin Moderator. [history]

Several sources familiar with the ongoing investigation tell WTOP fire and police investigators believe the radiator in Turton's 2008 BMW X5 was punctured when it rolled into a workbench. The halogen headlights, which emit a bluish light and illuminate the road better than conventional headlights, stayed on after the radiator was punctured.


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TOPICS: Breaking News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: antifreeze; ashleyturton; atf; bmw; cultureofcorruption; democratscandals; lobbyist; lowspeedcrash; obamascandals; progressive; suv; turton
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This is getting very interesting, so a fire is caused by antifreeze? Even so why did she not just jump out of the vehicle? What headlight burns at 240degrees? No cause of death?
1 posted on 02/09/2011 2:54:11 AM PST by crosslink
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To: crosslink
No cause of death? ...

Let me speculate: zero won't release the long form death certificate.

2 posted on 02/09/2011 2:56:16 AM PST by C210N (0bama, Making the US safe for Global Marxism)
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To: crosslink

Put me in the category of someone who finds those new bluish halogen headlights to be a road hazard to oncoming traffic. Why the DOT approved them is beyond me.


3 posted on 02/09/2011 3:01:59 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: crosslink

Original thread http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2654426/posts


4 posted on 02/09/2011 3:04:34 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink
It says she was “stricken and unconscious” before the fire but it doesn't give a reason? No autopsy?

Those headlights may be good for the driver but they are hard on the drivers coming the other way.

5 posted on 02/09/2011 3:06:00 AM PST by Ditter
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To: crosslink

Actually that’s not the “original” thread. That’s a “related” thread. This is a different article, with additional information, published on a different website, regarding the same incident.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 3:07:47 AM PST by SpaceBar
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To: SpaceBar

Sorry it is early ,thank you for clarifying.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:58 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink

..she missed the turn at Fort Marcy Park

8 posted on 02/09/2011 3:12:43 AM PST by Doogle ((USAF.68-73..8th TFW Ubon Thailand..never store a threat you should have eliminated))
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To: Ditter

Thank you I was speed reading and missed that so she was unconscious before the fire?


9 posted on 02/09/2011 3:16:26 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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To: crosslink
The antifreeze we use in cars is mostly a mixture of water and ethylene glycol. It has an MSDS flammability rate of 0. I suppose if you boiled all the water out of it you might get it to burn. Sounds mighty strange to me.

MSDS sheet for prediluted Antifreeze

10 posted on 02/09/2011 3:19:42 AM PST by Upstate NY Guy
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To: crosslink
The last sentence of the articles say the autopsy was pending.
11 posted on 02/09/2011 3:21:17 AM PST by Ditter
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To: SpaceBar

I think you mean the xenon lamps.


12 posted on 02/09/2011 3:24:40 AM PST by James C. Bennett (An Australian.)
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To: crosslink

These and other new halogen headlights are not sealed beam.They do emit heat but the housings are all plastic so that doesn’t wash with me that they are 240 degrees or hot enough to ignite antifreeze. This will now cause me to break out the infrared pyrometer to do some spot checking to see what temperatures they are getting.

This sounds much more of a coverup looking for an excuse that people will gobble up. When a car overheats for whatever reason, the temps of the coolant will exceed this 240 mark. So maybe they need to explain to me why cars all over this country overheating are not bursting out in flames at the same time.


13 posted on 02/09/2011 3:26:38 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: crosslink
No mention of a criminal investigation. HMMM....seems those spouses in DC sure do love to home barbecue themselves in their cars these days.
14 posted on 02/09/2011 3:29:01 AM PST by Earthdweller (Harvard won the election again...so what's the problem.......? Embrace a ruler today.)
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She was unconscious before the fire but.....

“From the start, investigators have not suspected foul play.”

Did she have a condition where she frequently blacked out? If so why would she be allowed to drive a car.

15 posted on 02/09/2011 3:30:09 AM PST by MagnoliaB
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To: crosslink

The more interesting thread is why was she killed. Domestic dispute or something she overheard at home?


16 posted on 02/09/2011 3:32:43 AM PST by Lessthantolerant (The State is diametrically opposed to our search for a better living.)
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Ii wouldn't be surprised if alcohol was involved.

Leni

17 posted on 02/09/2011 3:32:51 AM PST by MinuteGal
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It’s been nearly a month, and this is all they’ve come up with?


18 posted on 02/09/2011 3:33:04 AM PST by Think free or die
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To: crosslink

It sounds to me like the car might have had an electrical fault in the Center Fuel Tank.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 3:39:32 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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Dod anyone see any contrails?


20 posted on 02/09/2011 3:40:52 AM PST by Lessthantolerant (The State is diametrically opposed to our search for a better living.)
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To: crosslink

2008 BMW X5

Nice.

21 posted on 02/09/2011 3:41:19 AM PST by winstonwolf33
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To: mazda77

The xenon lamps produce an arc between the electrodes and operate at thousands of volts ... they could ignite something ,, that said the antifreeze doesn’t strike me as particularly flammable or likely to contact the arc of the lightbulb.


22 posted on 02/09/2011 3:44:06 AM PST by Neidermeyer
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Yeah, I remember when that happened to me. The car rolled at .00002 mph and struck a fly on the wall. I was stricken and couldn’t get out. Then the antifreeze combined with grass fertilizer in the garage and the whole thing exploded. I burned to death. But I’ll tell you, I’ll never do that again!


23 posted on 02/09/2011 3:48:30 AM PST by Doc Savage ("I've shot people I like a lot more,...for a lot less!" Raylan Givins)
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To: MagnoliaB

Maybe she had a stroke and died in the car. How old was she?


24 posted on 02/09/2011 3:49:31 AM PST by Ditter
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To: crosslink

“The autopsy into Jan. 10 death of Turton, a lobbyist for Progressive Energy...”

How ironic that something that’s supposed to be “progressive” with respect to energy is what may have done her in, yet that was the line of work in which she was employed?


25 posted on 02/09/2011 3:50:55 AM PST by Joann37
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a lobbyist for Progressive Energy and wife of a senior aide to President Barack Obama,

Off topic but why are spouses of lobbyists allowed to be on any President's staff?

26 posted on 02/09/2011 3:51:11 AM PST by hattend (Obama got his 3am call about Egypt. The call went right to the answering machine.- Sarah Palin)
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I hate to sound like a conspiracy theorist, but blaming the high-intensity lamps sounds like a focus-group result.

99.9% of people just need a reason to ignore this story. The problem is not that there is no explanation for her death, but that there is no reason for her death. The “senseless tragedy” hook makes the story stick in the public’s mind.

But if those nasty bright blue headlights can be blamed, then people can just safely ignore the story. People hate those damn things, and dislike the drivers who have them, because they are obnoxious. Not to say that she deserved to die because she had blue headlights... But if choosing blue headlights contributed to her death, well there is a certain amount of justice to that.

It supplies just a little bit of “why”, you see.

Of course it makes no sense. It is completely irrational, not to mention sociopathic. But that is the way this story goes. If you got two focus groups together, and told one that the car’s headlights ignited antifreeze and burned the driver to death, and told the other that a BMW M3’s high-intensity blue headlights ignited antifreeze and burned the driver to death, most people in the first group will reject the explanation and most people in the second group will accept it. Not only will they accept it, they’ll feel good about accepting it.

Stupid, I know. But what can I say, people are stupid.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 3:51:32 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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To: Neidermeyer

Especially since antifreeze in a car is a 50/50 mixture with water so the igniting excuse further takes on the air of BS. Secondly, if it did get between the bulb electrodes wouldn’t the fuse just blow first?


28 posted on 02/09/2011 3:52:05 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: crosslink

The front end was blown off two miles away due to static charge in the gas tank. The BMW continued to accelerate, eventually and coincidentally running into her garage. /s


29 posted on 02/09/2011 3:54:34 AM PST by RegulatorCountry
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"The halogen headlights, which emit a bluish light and illuminate the road better than conventional headlights, stayed on after the radiator was punctured."

Halogen headlights are the standard headlights on most cars sold today. The headlights that are "bluish" are the HID or xenon headlights, which I think are standard equipment on the current generation X5.

Anti-freeze is usually diluted 50/50 with water -- I can't believe it could possibly catch fire.

This is an incredibly badly written story, the most incompetent police investigation short of a banana republic, or time to break out the tinfoil hats. (Arkancide, anyone???)

30 posted on 02/09/2011 3:55:07 AM PST by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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You might get it to ignite at 280 degrees, but would the fire propagate in a 50/50 mix? Wouldn’t the evaporating water immediately cool the mixture down to the point that fire could not be sustained?

This is not passing the sniff test with me...


31 posted on 02/09/2011 3:55:55 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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To: hattend

“Off topic but why are spouses of lobbyists allowed to be on any President’s staff?”

IMHO...its PRECISELY on topic...which is why this story sticks in the mind....


32 posted on 02/09/2011 3:58:05 AM PST by mo ("If you understand, no explanation is needed; if you do not, no explanation is possible")
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The strangest part of this whole story is the husband does not even tell the fireman his wife is burning up. When you watch the video the fireman are not concerned while fighting the fire and no one is seen yelling and screaming to get the woman out of the car. The neighbors called it in not the husband.

If the radiator is damaged hitting the work bench, did this happened when she came home after closing the 14 billion dollar deal the night before? Did she pass out in the car? If so why did the husband say she got up early to catch a flight. If he saw her get up how on earth could he stand and watch the fire without going crazy.

Footage of the fire in on another thread.


33 posted on 02/09/2011 4:00:06 AM PST by crosslink (Moderates should play in the middle of a busy street)
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"Antifreeze is flammable, although it catches fire at 240 degrees Fahrenheit..."

Fire? At only 28 degrees higher than water's boiling point? Engines should be exploding in flames all over the country during the summer. Not to mention what all of the leaky radiator hoses and fittings near exhaust manifolds would lead to.

34 posted on 02/09/2011 4:01:27 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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"An autopsy for Turton is still pending."



Really....it has been a month and a suspected homicide and no autopsy has yet even been performed? Does it usually take so long for an autopsy? I thought they were immediate in cases like this.




35 posted on 02/09/2011 4:02:23 AM PST by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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If she was going out to catch a flight, how the heck do you damage the radiator while backing up?


36 posted on 02/09/2011 4:02:30 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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A Liberal lobbying for Commie energy dies while driving her BMW X5...


37 posted on 02/09/2011 4:02:45 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: crosslink

Arkancide - Chicago style!


38 posted on 02/09/2011 4:03:11 AM PST by catman67
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She must have bumped her head getting out of the car, knocked herself unconcious, and the headlights lit the antifreeze on fire. Happens all the time. /s


39 posted on 02/09/2011 4:05:37 AM PST by BykrBayb (Somewhere, my flower is there. ~ Þ)
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“Off topic but why are spouses of lobbyists allowed to be on any President’s staff?”

Because nepotism rules don’t apply to the most ethical administration in history doing everything it can to make the U.S. a better place for progressives...


40 posted on 02/09/2011 4:06:24 AM PST by DrC
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The autopsy into Jan. 10 death of Turton, a lobbyist for Progressive Energy and wife of a senior aide to President Barack Obama, is still pending, but investigators believe she was stricken and unconscious before the fire ignited

'Stricken and unconscious' from what? That does not make sense.

41 posted on 02/09/2011 4:07:48 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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Hey, I’m with you entirely. I thought it was funny the report said that 240 was far above 212 (the boiling point of water). Did 28 degrees make all the difference? So if you own one of these cars, does that put everyone at risk of blowing up if they rearend someone at 1 MPH? Sure says alot for that BMW quality engineering, doesn’t it?

Reminds me of a joke I heard when they awarded the US BMW plant to South Carolina. The main rason was they didn’t have to change the logo. BMW=Bubba Makes Wheels


42 posted on 02/09/2011 4:08:03 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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To: MinuteGal

My thought was that she may have had a health problem.


43 posted on 02/09/2011 4:09:22 AM PST by DoughtyOne (All hail the Kenyan Prince Obama, Lord of the Skid-mark, constantly soiling himself and our nation.)
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To: winstonwolf33

New Headline: Woman Killed By SUV


44 posted on 02/09/2011 4:09:55 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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To: Sooth2222

Remember, the top agency on this is BATF. Nuff said.


45 posted on 02/09/2011 4:10:27 AM PST by mazda77 (Mike Hogan - JAX Mayor)
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If a halogen lamp meeting radiator fluid can render a driver ‘stricken and unconscious’ followed by an intense fire, how many of those would we witness on an ordinary traffic day?

They can do better than that, I would hope.

46 posted on 02/09/2011 4:12:46 AM PST by Protect the Bill of Rights
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If she was going out to catch a flight, how the heck do you damage the radiator while backing up?

That's the million dollar question. Sounds like sabotage.

47 posted on 02/09/2011 4:13:05 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: mazda77

You know, the funny thing is, back in the day you could blame almost any garage fire on the ubiquitous gasoline can or lawnmower fuel tank. But, nowadays, nobody has gas cans or lawnmowers in their garages anymore. The lawn service takes care of all of that. As as far as paint thinners and laquers are concerned, the painter takes care of all that.

It is completely plausible that there were no flammables in that garage at all, except for the gasoline in the vahicle’s tank. Clearly the vehicle was not damaged enough to rupture the gas tank. So the only thing left to do is to blame the fire of burning antifreeze...


48 posted on 02/09/2011 4:17:34 AM PST by Haiku Guy (You can't beat something with nothing, no matter how bad that something is.)
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Investigators have been probing the death of Ashley Turton, a former chief of staff to Rep. Rosa DeLauro, D-Conn.

Over and above the strange circumstances regarding her death, this tells a lot about political and other leanings. For example, I wouldn’t “work” for or wish to be associated with Rosa for oh, lets say 10 million.


49 posted on 02/09/2011 4:20:07 AM PST by wita
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To: Protect the Bill of Rights

It’s been said that xenon lights are standard on the model of car she was driving.


50 posted on 02/09/2011 4:21:01 AM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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