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House Unexpectedly Defeats Patriot Act (Freedom & Liberty Restored?)
FoxNews.com ^ | February 08, 2011 | Chad Pergram

Posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:10 AM PST by broken_arrow1

It was the Congressional version of never count your chickens before they're hatched.

And when you do on Capitol Hill, you can sometimes lose a vote.

The newly-minted House Republican leadership botched a vote Tuesday night when it presumed it had the necessary support to reauthorize the Patriot Act, the anti-terrorism law imposed after September 11th.

The GOP expected little trouble with the bill. So Republicans brought the Patriot Act to the floor under a special procedure that requires a two-thirds vote for passage. It's a maneuver that's typically reserved for non-controversial legislation or bills that carry wide support.

Renewing that Patriot Act had certainly had wide support. 277 members voted in favor of the measure compared to just 148 nays.

But that's short of the two-thirds supermajority. Which means the House defeated the bill.

With 425 members voting, 284 yea votes were necessary to cross the two-thirds threshold for passage. 26 Republicans voted against renewing the law.

Democrats opposed to the Patriot Act were gleeful at the GOP miscalculation.

"Look at the ‘Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."

Eight Republicans whom the GOP regards as freshmen voted against the reauthorization. That's precisely the number of yea votes Republicans needed to pass the bill.

House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) used to set the schedule when Democrats were in the majority and is familiar with floor meltdowns like the one Tuesday night.

But despite the misstep, Republicans blamed Democrats for the defeat.

(Excerpt) Read more at politics.blogs.foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 112th; congress; counterterrorism; gop; house; obama; patriotact; teaparty
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The Constitution-shredding "PATRIOT" Act, with its roving wiretaps and secret searches sounded good under Bush only because at the time, 'We The People' were not considered "terrorists". However, under Obama's DHS, returning war veterans, pro-lifers, pro-Constitutionalists, pro-Second Amendment and freedom loving Americans everywhere are under assault as "domestic extremists" and treated like terrorists prone to surveillance by our own government.

Big Sis already wanting to surveil suspected 'lone wolves', which it only suspects may harbor anti-government sentiment. Minority Report.

1 posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:16 AM PST by broken_arrow1
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To: broken_arrow1

The patriot act has always been about supressing patriots. I’m glad it did not get extended, but wait; congress will find a way to bring it back in one shape or another. Don’t rule out a booga booga Al CIAda terror event to scare the ninnying congress critters into tightening the scackles on us once more.


2 posted on 02/09/2011 3:28:36 AM PST by zeebob
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To: broken_arrow1

Ooooooh! This is very scary!

Not.

3 posted on 02/09/2011 3:30:21 AM PST by mikey_hates_everything
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To: broken_arrow1
The Constitution-shredding "PATRIOT" Act, with its roving wiretaps and secret searches sounded good under Bush

That's funny - it never sounded good to me.
4 posted on 02/09/2011 3:32:25 AM PST by arderkrag (Georgia is God's Country.----------In the same way Rush is balance, I am consensus.)
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To: broken_arrow1

Does this mean I can buy real cold medicine again without giving the pharmacy my name, driver’s license, left arm, and first-born child?

Regards,


5 posted on 02/09/2011 3:39:13 AM PST by VermiciousKnid (Sic narro nos totus!)
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To: broken_arrow1

The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act is blown to shreds when our own government refuses to secure our borders and grants travel visas to terrorist cheerleaders. Add that political correctness gone amok failed to prevent the Ft Hood shootings.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 3:42:05 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: Bloody Sam Roberts

Ping


7 posted on 02/09/2011 3:46:51 AM PST by Mrs. B.S. Roberts
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To: VermiciousKnid

No, thats a different law designed to make it harder for meth heads to get their supplies.


8 posted on 02/09/2011 3:52:30 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: broken_arrow1

I didn’t see a list of the yeas and nays. Did I miss it, or should I look elsewhere?


9 posted on 02/09/2011 3:58:08 AM PST by ExGeeEye (Freedom is saying "No!" to the Feds, and getting away with it. "Speak 'NO' to Power!")
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To: broken_arrow1

Gonna really crimp Barry and Janets style won’t it?

I am kind of surprised that they went for a super majority. Why bother?

Now they will just tweak it up and bring it back up again for a simple majority. But it looks bad for Boehnner. Pelosi would never have made that mistake. She secured members ahhh .... members in a lock box until they voted as she commanded before returning them.


10 posted on 02/09/2011 3:59:44 AM PST by Munz (All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent.)
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To: broken_arrow1

The GOP only acts conservative, when they are a minority.


11 posted on 02/09/2011 4:21:04 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: broken_arrow1

From Hot Air Article:

Nine freshmen and three inaugural members of the House Tea Party Caucus cast votes against a proposed extension of three Patriot Act provisions Tuesday night, helping block the measure from passage under fast-track rules…

Those [Republicans] who voted no Tuesday night included Roscoe G. Bartlett (Md.), Paul Broun (Ga.) and Walter B. Jones (N.C.), all of whom were original members of the House Tea Party Caucus when it was founded last summer.

And nine [Republican] freshmen also voted no: Justin Amash (Mich.), Michael G. Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Christopher P. Gibson (N.Y.), Tom Graves (Ga.), Randy Hultgren (Ill.), Raul R. Labrador (Idaho), Robert Schilling (Ill.), David Schweikert (Ariz.) and Rob Woodall (Ga.).


12 posted on 02/09/2011 4:24:47 AM PST by PIF (They came for me and mine ... now it is your turn ...)
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To: broken_arrow1

Extremely proud of the 26 Patriots that voted along side dems on this issue. I am disappointed people like Bachmann and others supported this measure...now defund DHS!


13 posted on 02/09/2011 4:24:46 AM PST by Leader_Of_The _Conservatives (High time to bring back the sons (and daughters) of liberty!!!! SP4P2012)
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To: VermiciousKnid
Does this mean I can buy real cold medicine again without giving the pharmacy my name, driver’s license, left arm, and first-born child?

I doubt that changes. But it should.

I have to show more ID to buy those little red OTC sinus tablets than I do to get my 4 prescriptions.
14 posted on 02/09/2011 4:26:41 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: broken_arrow1

obama is the REASON THE PA WAS DEFEATED... NO ONE TRUSTS THAT kenyan muslim marxist bastard from hell.

LLS


15 posted on 02/09/2011 4:28:17 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: broken_arrow1

If Boehner and Cantor didn’t see this vote coming, they are not doing their jobs.

They should know the expected vote, at least the from Republicans, on any major measure before the actual vote is called for.


16 posted on 02/09/2011 4:29:26 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: LibLieSlayer

Its true. I don’t trust Obama with that power. I didn’t trust the last guy either. And I refuse to trust any future administration, regardless of the letters after their name.

Such powers are an insult to my rights and the govt simply does not deserve them.


17 posted on 02/09/2011 4:32:52 AM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: broken_arrow1

Now that the Patriot Act is dead, remove the DHS and TSA.
They were never needed in the first place. The FBI should have been our domestic first line of defense, not some trumped up mob of miscreants with an Wyatt Earp complex and a desire to unionize.


18 posted on 02/09/2011 4:37:08 AM PST by BuffaloJack (Re-Elect President Sarah Palin 2016)
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To: TomGuy

The question is, did you see it coming? Seems to me that they tried to renew it quietly in the night with no discussion from their supporters.

Judging from what I have seen here, not even the hardcore right solidly supports it.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 4:38:26 AM PST by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: TomGuy
Does this mean I can buy real cold medicine again without giving the pharmacy my name, driver’s license, left arm, and first-born child?...... I doubt that changes. But it should..... I have to show more ID to buy those little red OTC sinus tablets than I do to get my 4 prescriptions.

Or to vote.

20 posted on 02/09/2011 4:51:37 AM PST by Mygirlsmom (What used to be called treason is now official US foreign policy.)
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To: broken_arrow1

The Patriot Act may have been appropriate after 9-11, with oversight by a principled administration and a limited run.

But since the Marxian Mook took over, it’s the bigger threat.


21 posted on 02/09/2011 4:51:50 AM PST by tsomer
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To: broken_arrow1

There’s a chance that Boehner and Cantor knew it would go down to defeat, and wanted that ‘surprise’ to resurrect the debate about this onerous, hideous Act.


22 posted on 02/09/2011 4:54:45 AM PST by Lazamataz (If Illegal Aliens are Undocumented Workers, then Thieves are Undocumented Shoppers.)
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To: broken_arrow1
..sounded good under Bush only because at the time, 'We The People' were not considered "terrorists".

Glad you finally figured it out.....There were enough sheeple on FR at the time who thought Bush was awesome (and did the ridiculous Pray for President Bush threads) I was mostly praying for America. He scared me almost as much as Zero....
23 posted on 02/09/2011 4:56:07 AM PST by kroll
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To: listenhillary

“The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act is blown to shreds when our own government refuses to secure our borders and grants travel visas to terrorist cheerleaders. Add that political correctness gone amok failed to prevent the Ft Hood shootings.”

You make an excellent point. You just cut through all the hypocricy and spin.


24 posted on 02/09/2011 5:11:00 AM PST by RoadTest (Organized religion is no substitute for the relationship the living God wants with you.)
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To: broken_arrow1

You mean Congress finally woke up!!! It will never last.


25 posted on 02/09/2011 5:16:11 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: Palter

“The GOP only acts conservative, when they are a minority.”

Destroying the Constitution is conservative or did I misread you?


26 posted on 02/09/2011 5:17:46 AM PST by A Strict Constructionist (Oligarchy...never vote for the Ivy League candidate.)
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To: broken_arrow1

The “patriot” act, passed under Bush, used 9/11 as an excuse to impose new restrictions on the people. Under the guise of “protecting us from terrorism” this law gave legislators what they had been wanting for a long time, but had no excuse to pass.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 5:21:29 AM PST by Leftism is Mentally Deranged (Liberalism is against human nature. Practicing liberalism is detrimental to your mental stability.)
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To: A Strict Constructionist
Protecting the Constitution? The GOP are only acting ‘conservative’ now because Obama is in charge. The GOP had no courage standing against Gov’t, except Ron Paul, when Bush was in office.
28 posted on 02/09/2011 5:21:48 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: broken_arrow1

YESSSSssssss.....there are those in my circle of friends and family that wholeheartedly supported this abomination.....


29 posted on 02/09/2011 5:23:29 AM PST by joe fonebone (The House has oversight of the Judiciary...why are the rogue judges not being impeached?)
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To: RoadTest

“The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act “

Funny stuff...I wonder how many on the thread favor drug testing for unemployment?

THAT govt intrusion gets a lot of support from FR posters...

The fact the libtard democrats like KUCHINICH are 100% against the patriot act should tell Freepers something....

30 Terrorist Plots Foiled: How the System Worked

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/30-terrorist-plots-foiled-how-the-system-worked


30 posted on 02/09/2011 5:40:29 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Leftism is Mentally Deranged

http://www.heritage.org/research/reports/2010/04/30-terrorist-plots-foiled-how-the-system-worked

“Bush, used 9/11 as an excuse to impose new restrictions on the people”

Stop parroting libtard talking points.

What next?..Bush is a war criminal?


31 posted on 02/09/2011 5:43:28 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: broken_arrow1

This bill will be back. The real story here might be that the new Republican leadership, like Republican leadership in the past, still doesn’t know how to use its majority status.


32 posted on 02/09/2011 5:45:09 AM PST by Will88
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To: Crim
The fact the libtard democrats like KUCHINICH are 100% against the patriot act should tell Freepers something....

It tells me that even Kuchinich is going to make sense once or twice a decade.

33 posted on 02/09/2011 5:46:20 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: Crim

Should the patriot act go away ever? Or should the populace be frightened into trading their freedom for security in perpetuity?


34 posted on 02/09/2011 5:49:06 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: LibLieSlayer

I’m with you -
we needed SOME way of detecting and thwarting terrorists,
but this much power in the hands of the likes of Obama is VERY dangerous,

because you know that leftists ALWAYS re-direct the power of the state away from foreign enemies
and toward their political “enemies”.


35 posted on 02/09/2011 5:50:38 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: Crim

What of the 30 terrorist were caught using the Pat Act? Be specific.


36 posted on 02/09/2011 5:50:57 AM PST by Palter (If voting made any difference they wouldn't let us do it. ~ Mark Twain)
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To: broken_arrow1

Does this mean that we can fly without having our junk touched?


37 posted on 02/09/2011 5:51:04 AM PST by Daveinyork
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To: Crim

No, no! Pick me! Pick me!

“Bush lied, people died!”


38 posted on 02/09/2011 5:53:02 AM PST by MrB (Tagline suspended for important announcement on my home page. Click my handle.)
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To: Palter

I am trying to understand why the GOP wants to renew this POS legislation. They are no better than the Dims.

Me, I’m glad! It really ticked me off when they passed it in the first place.


39 posted on 02/09/2011 5:53:22 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Daveinyork
Does this mean that we can fly without having our junk touched?

No, we just get fondled with dues paying union members now. They get to look for the union label in our underwear.

40 posted on 02/09/2011 5:54:12 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: broken_arrow1
at the time, 'We The People' were not considered "terrorists

Excellent point. I couldn't agree more.

41 posted on 02/09/2011 5:54:43 AM PST by BfloGuy
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To: listenhillary
The "war on terror" is going to be like the "wars" on drugs and poverty.

Wars that are never won.

Wars that require that state powers over the citizen forever increase.

42 posted on 02/09/2011 5:55:22 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: listenhillary

Cant connect dots that arent collected.


43 posted on 02/09/2011 5:57:52 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: broken_arrow1
sounded good under Bush

NOT TO ME, IT DIDN'T!!!

Did the Freepers who supported this monstrosity think that a liberal would never again be elected President??

44 posted on 02/09/2011 5:59:02 AM PST by Notary Sojac (We have had three central banks in America's history: two of them failed and so will this one....)
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To: Palter

“What of the 30 terrorist were caught using the Pat Act? Be specific.

Here ya go...took all of two seconds to find...

“Patriot Act helped foil New York terror plot”

Quote:

The arrest and indictment of Najibullah Zazi on charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction was made possible by the “roving wiretaps” allowed by the Patriot Act, which was signed into law in 2001 by President George W. Bush. “All the layers of defense President Bush set up after Sept. 11 are working,” Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., pointed out. The Patriot Act caused plenty of controversy, but it was key to the Bush administration’s successful eight-year counterterrorism strategy that focused on disrupting terror attacks and thereby preventing the deaths of more Americans here at home.


45 posted on 02/09/2011 6:00:12 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Crim

Our government is pursuing freedom robbing intrusions into our lives while turning a blind eye to our borders.

They see Americans as the enemy instead of those that come here illegally. They turn a blind eye to those who wish to harm us because of their ethnicity, and turn around and fondle grandma at the airport.

I have a problem with this.


46 posted on 02/09/2011 6:02:10 AM PST by listenhillary (20 years in Reverend Wright's church is all I need to determine the "content of his character")
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To: Crim; RoadTest
The fact the libtard democrats like KUCHINICH are 100% against the patriot act should tell Freepers something....

Even a broken watch is correct twice a day. The Patriot Act didn't prevent the Ft. Hood massacre, with his his intentions OUT IN THE OPEN for any reasonable intelligence community to see. They seem to be giving Islam a pass and going after the real threat to Obama and DHS: violent Tea Party rhetoric.

47 posted on 02/09/2011 6:05:49 AM PST by broken_arrow1 (I regret that I have but one life to give for my country - Nathan Hale "Patriot")
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To: Notary Sojac

“Did the Freepers who supported this monstrosity think that a liberal would never again be elected President??”

That’s exactly why I was and I still am against it.


48 posted on 02/09/2011 6:06:54 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Leader_Of_The _Conservatives
now defund DHS!

And while we're at it, every other useless executive agency--Dept. of Energy, Dept of Education, Dept of Transportation, and especially the FCC.

49 posted on 02/09/2011 6:13:17 AM PST by giotto
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To: broken_arrow1

“The Patriot Act didn’t prevent the Ft. Hood massacre, with his his intentions OUT IN THE OPEN for any reasonable intelligence community to see.”

Fail to use the tool doesnt negate the need for the tool.

“They seem to be giving Islam a pass and going after the real threat to Obama and DHS: violent Tea Party rhetoric.”

SEEM to be?

So...instead of holding their feet to the fire...you give the libtards what they want?


50 posted on 02/09/2011 6:26:12 AM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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