Skip to comments.House Unexpectedly Defeats Patriot Act (Freedom & Liberty Restored?)
Posted on 02/09/2011 3:09:10 AM PST by broken_arrow1
It was the Congressional version of never count your chickens before they're hatched.
And when you do on Capitol Hill, you can sometimes lose a vote.
The newly-minted House Republican leadership botched a vote Tuesday night when it presumed it had the necessary support to reauthorize the Patriot Act, the anti-terrorism law imposed after September 11th.
The GOP expected little trouble with the bill. So Republicans brought the Patriot Act to the floor under a special procedure that requires a two-thirds vote for passage. It's a maneuver that's typically reserved for non-controversial legislation or bills that carry wide support.
Renewing that Patriot Act had certainly had wide support. 277 members voted in favor of the measure compared to just 148 nays.
But that's short of the two-thirds supermajority. Which means the House defeated the bill.
With 425 members voting, 284 yea votes were necessary to cross the two-thirds threshold for passage. 26 Republicans voted against renewing the law.
Democrats opposed to the Patriot Act were gleeful at the GOP miscalculation.
"Look at the Don't Tread on Me flag.' It doesn't say don't tread on me, but it's okay if you spy," said Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH), one of the most ardent opponents of the Patriot Act. "What the Republican leadership didn't count on is that they have some new members who are freshmen who are conservative, libertarian, who really do believe in civil liberties."
Eight Republicans whom the GOP regards as freshmen voted against the reauthorization. That's precisely the number of yea votes Republicans needed to pass the bill.
House Minority Whip Steny Hoyer (D-MD) used to set the schedule when Democrats were in the majority and is familiar with floor meltdowns like the one Tuesday night.
But despite the misstep, Republicans blamed Democrats for the defeat.
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Big Sis already wanting to surveil suspected 'lone wolves', which it only suspects may harbor anti-government sentiment. Minority Report.
The patriot act has always been about supressing patriots. I’m glad it did not get extended, but wait; congress will find a way to bring it back in one shape or another. Don’t rule out a booga booga Al CIAda terror event to scare the ninnying congress critters into tightening the scackles on us once more.
Ooooooh! This is very scary!
Does this mean I can buy real cold medicine again without giving the pharmacy my name, driver’s license, left arm, and first-born child?
The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act is blown to shreds when our own government refuses to secure our borders and grants travel visas to terrorist cheerleaders. Add that political correctness gone amok failed to prevent the Ft Hood shootings.
No, thats a different law designed to make it harder for meth heads to get their supplies.
I didn’t see a list of the yeas and nays. Did I miss it, or should I look elsewhere?
Gonna really crimp Barry and Janets style won’t it?
I am kind of surprised that they went for a super majority. Why bother?
Now they will just tweak it up and bring it back up again for a simple majority. But it looks bad for Boehnner. Pelosi would never have made that mistake. She secured members ahhh .... members in a lock box until they voted as she commanded before returning them.
The GOP only acts conservative, when they are a minority.
From Hot Air Article:
Nine freshmen and three inaugural members of the House Tea Party Caucus cast votes against a proposed extension of three Patriot Act provisions Tuesday night, helping block the measure from passage under fast-track rules
Those [Republicans] who voted no Tuesday night included Roscoe G. Bartlett (Md.), Paul Broun (Ga.) and Walter B. Jones (N.C.), all of whom were original members of the House Tea Party Caucus when it was founded last summer.
And nine [Republican] freshmen also voted no: Justin Amash (Mich.), Michael G. Fitzpatrick (Pa.), Christopher P. Gibson (N.Y.), Tom Graves (Ga.), Randy Hultgren (Ill.), Raul R. Labrador (Idaho), Robert Schilling (Ill.), David Schweikert (Ariz.) and Rob Woodall (Ga.).
Extremely proud of the 26 Patriots that voted along side dems on this issue. I am disappointed people like Bachmann and others supported this measure...now defund DHS!
obama is the REASON THE PA WAS DEFEATED... NO ONE TRUSTS THAT kenyan muslim marxist bastard from hell.
If Boehner and Cantor didn’t see this vote coming, they are not doing their jobs.
They should know the expected vote, at least the from Republicans, on any major measure before the actual vote is called for.
Its true. I don’t trust Obama with that power. I didn’t trust the last guy either. And I refuse to trust any future administration, regardless of the letters after their name.
Such powers are an insult to my rights and the govt simply does not deserve them.
Now that the Patriot Act is dead, remove the DHS and TSA.
They were never needed in the first place. The FBI should have been our domestic first line of defense, not some trumped up mob of miscreants with an Wyatt Earp complex and a desire to unionize.
The question is, did you see it coming? Seems to me that they tried to renew it quietly in the night with no discussion from their supporters.
Judging from what I have seen here, not even the hardcore right solidly supports it.
Or to vote.
The Patriot Act may have been appropriate after 9-11, with oversight by a principled administration and a limited run.
But since the Marxian Mook took over, it’s the bigger threat.
There’s a chance that Boehner and Cantor knew it would go down to defeat, and wanted that ‘surprise’ to resurrect the debate about this onerous, hideous Act.
“The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act is blown to shreds when our own government refuses to secure our borders and grants travel visas to terrorist cheerleaders. Add that political correctness gone amok failed to prevent the Ft Hood shootings.”
You make an excellent point. You just cut through all the hypocricy and spin.
You mean Congress finally woke up!!! It will never last.
“The GOP only acts conservative, when they are a minority.”
Destroying the Constitution is conservative or did I misread you?
The “patriot” act, passed under Bush, used 9/11 as an excuse to impose new restrictions on the people. Under the guise of “protecting us from terrorism” this law gave legislators what they had been wanting for a long time, but had no excuse to pass.
YESSSSssssss.....there are those in my circle of friends and family that wholeheartedly supported this abomination.....
“The idea that government intrusion into our private lives will prevent a terrorist act “
Funny stuff...I wonder how many on the thread favor drug testing for unemployment?
THAT govt intrusion gets a lot of support from FR posters...
The fact the libtard democrats like KUCHINICH are 100% against the patriot act should tell Freepers something....
30 Terrorist Plots Foiled: How the System Worked
“Bush, used 9/11 as an excuse to impose new restrictions on the people”
Stop parroting libtard talking points.
What next?..Bush is a war criminal?
This bill will be back. The real story here might be that the new Republican leadership, like Republican leadership in the past, still doesn’t know how to use its majority status.
It tells me that even Kuchinich is going to make sense once or twice a decade.
Should the patriot act go away ever? Or should the populace be frightened into trading their freedom for security in perpetuity?
I’m with you -
we needed SOME way of detecting and thwarting terrorists,
but this much power in the hands of the likes of Obama is VERY dangerous,
because you know that leftists ALWAYS re-direct the power of the state away from foreign enemies
and toward their political “enemies”.
What of the 30 terrorist were caught using the Pat Act? Be specific.
Does this mean that we can fly without having our junk touched?
No, no! Pick me! Pick me!
“Bush lied, people died!”
I am trying to understand why the GOP wants to renew this POS legislation. They are no better than the Dims.
Me, I’m glad! It really ticked me off when they passed it in the first place.
No, we just get fondled with dues paying union members now. They get to look for the union label in our underwear.
Excellent point. I couldn't agree more.
Wars that are never won.
Wars that require that state powers over the citizen forever increase.
Cant connect dots that arent collected.
NOT TO ME, IT DIDN'T!!!
Did the Freepers who supported this monstrosity think that a liberal would never again be elected President??
“What of the 30 terrorist were caught using the Pat Act? Be specific.
Here ya go...took all of two seconds to find...
“Patriot Act helped foil New York terror plot”
The arrest and indictment of Najibullah Zazi on charges of conspiracy to use weapons of mass destruction was made possible by the “roving wiretaps” allowed by the Patriot Act, which was signed into law in 2001 by President George W. Bush. “All the layers of defense President Bush set up after Sept. 11 are working,” Rep. Peter King, R-N.Y., pointed out. The Patriot Act caused plenty of controversy, but it was key to the Bush administration’s successful eight-year counterterrorism strategy that focused on disrupting terror attacks and thereby preventing the deaths of more Americans here at home.
Our government is pursuing freedom robbing intrusions into our lives while turning a blind eye to our borders.
They see Americans as the enemy instead of those that come here illegally. They turn a blind eye to those who wish to harm us because of their ethnicity, and turn around and fondle grandma at the airport.
I have a problem with this.
Even a broken watch is correct twice a day. The Patriot Act didn't prevent the Ft. Hood massacre, with his his intentions OUT IN THE OPEN for any reasonable intelligence community to see. They seem to be giving Islam a pass and going after the real threat to Obama and DHS: violent Tea Party rhetoric.
“Did the Freepers who supported this monstrosity think that a liberal would never again be elected President??”
That’s exactly why I was and I still am against it.
And while we're at it, every other useless executive agency--Dept. of Energy, Dept of Education, Dept of Transportation, and especially the FCC.
“The Patriot Act didn’t prevent the Ft. Hood massacre, with his his intentions OUT IN THE OPEN for any reasonable intelligence community to see.”
Fail to use the tool doesnt negate the need for the tool.
“They seem to be giving Islam a pass and going after the real threat to Obama and DHS: violent Tea Party rhetoric.”
SEEM to be?
So...instead of holding their feet to the fire...you give the libtards what they want?