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McCain Supports Obama on Wasteful Spending (McCain wants to give Obama line-item veto power)
KSAZ-TV Fox 10 Phoenix, Ariz. ^ | 2011-02-09

Posted on 02/09/2011 5:02:27 AM PST by rabscuttle385

WASHINGTON - Wasteful spending has been a big topic of discussion in Washington for years, and on Wednesday morning, the Arizona senator who ran against President Barack Obama is trying to help him fight it.

(Excerpt) Read more at myfoxphoenix.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections; US: Arizona
KEYWORDS: 112th; arizona; bho44; insane; mccain; mccain4obama; mccaintruthfile; rino; rinos4obama; vichy
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1 posted on 02/09/2011 5:02:36 AM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

His sharp right turn during the campaign has now been totally flushed down the toilet. What a POS!


2 posted on 02/09/2011 5:07:59 AM PST by rj45mis
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To: rabscuttle385
I guess the Syndicate has dug up some dirt on McQueeg. F-ing pathetic.
3 posted on 02/09/2011 5:08:17 AM PST by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: rabscuttle385

4 posted on 02/09/2011 5:08:28 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: rabscuttle385

SCOTUS has struck down the line item veto.


5 posted on 02/09/2011 5:10:36 AM PST by kabar
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To: rabscuttle385

So tell us again how granting the President line-item veto power via proper Constitutional channels is a bad thing. The next GOP president would have it as well, and it would go a long ways to being able to curtail nonsense if used well.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 5:10:41 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385

people really are stupid.
How could anyone have voted this idiot back in is beyond me.

It’s amazing how many actually think those elected tell the truth when trying to get elected, truly amazes me how stupoid people are.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 5:11:15 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: rabscuttle385

We are going to live in regret for the likes of this stupid old progressive being given another term.

Shame on those that supported him.


8 posted on 02/09/2011 5:12:15 AM PST by dforest
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To: normy

Actually McCain’s reaction is perfectly inline with a Progressive. If Obama has line item veto then he can preserve all this progressive legislation. McCain and Obama are on the same page with that one.


9 posted on 02/09/2011 5:12:21 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: rabscuttle385

Hey John, just go ahead and make your announcement already. We know you’re dying to cross over and become a RAT, so just get it over with. You and Arlen Sphincter are peas in a pod anyhow.


10 posted on 02/09/2011 5:12:41 AM PST by Mich Patriot (...politics is the second oldest profession...it bears a striking resemblance to the first." RReagan)
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To: rabscuttle385

11 posted on 02/09/2011 5:14:29 AM PST by TSgt (Colonel Allen West & Michele Bachman - 2012 POTUS Dream Team Ticket!)
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To: normy

McCain posturing as rising above partisanship to win the plaudits of the elites who then can more easily deride Republicans who stand on principle. McCain is becoming an accessory to the destruction of America by this radical left administration. I suspect he wants Obama to win in 2012.


12 posted on 02/09/2011 5:14:29 AM PST by vekzen
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To: kabar

It looks like they are taking another approach, still not sure if this would pass SCOTUS muster, as it creates a de facto way for the President to introduce legislation, which is not an executive power, and that rationale is what led SCOTUS to shoot down the line-item veto during the Clinton years:

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/06/09/line-item-veto-alternative-offered/

The administration supports the Senate version, an official said. It would require a president to send Congress proposed rescissions within 45 calendar days after signing an appropriations measure – sooner than the 45 Congressional business days that Mr. Obama proposed as a deadline. Congress would have to consider the president’s rescissions proposal immediately and the House and Senate could not amend it.


About the only thing that could pass SCOTUS muster, IMO, would be a Constitutional Amendment.


13 posted on 02/09/2011 5:17:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: surfer
If Obama has line item veto then he can preserve all this progressive legislation.

The main way the GOP can block Obama's agenda is by the House refusing to fund federal actions such as implementation of health care reform.

You can't line-item veto what isn't there.

14 posted on 02/09/2011 5:19:54 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: TSgt

It’s more than senile...McCain has been invaded by the body snatchers. He’s one of the pod people now.


15 posted on 02/09/2011 5:20:27 AM PST by SonOfDarkSkies (Obama and the Radical Left: 'People of the Lie')
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To: rabscuttle385

Oh, sure, when Bush proposed it, he was practically laughed out of the building, but for Obama, it’s okay. I’m so ****ing sick of the hypocrisy!


16 posted on 02/09/2011 5:32:29 AM PST by swatbuznik
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To: rabscuttle385

McCainiac is nothing but a brown stain on the under clothing of responsible Conservatives.


17 posted on 02/09/2011 5:35:37 AM PST by Renegade
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To: rabscuttle385

Remember. This is likely McCain’s last term (he’ll be 80 in 2016).

So, with no worry about being re-elected, his mission over the next six years will be to undermine the conservative wing of the party and get back in the good graces of his base (the leftwing media).

Watch for TIME and Newsweek covers pumping up, “McCain’s Back.” Bank on it.


18 posted on 02/09/2011 5:39:57 AM PST by nhwingut (Palin '12... Accept No Other)
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To: dirtboy

And why would the Reps go along with giving Obama more power? Obama could use the threat of line item vetos to push his agenda. Stupid given who occupies the WH.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 5:40:31 AM PST by kabar
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To: kabar
And why would the Reps go along with giving Obama more power?

Maybe because that power could later belong to a GOP president? The GOP gave Clinton line-item veto power (that eventually got overturned by SCOTUS).

A line item veto on budget items should be a good thing to conservatives.

20 posted on 02/09/2011 5:46:49 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
I'm all for the presidential line-item veto, but doesn't that require a Constitutional amendment?
21 posted on 02/09/2011 5:47:20 AM PST by Huck (one per-center)
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To: Renegade

>> McCainiac is nothing but a brown stain on the under clothing of responsible Conservatives.

Yeah, and he *itches* like the devil, too.


22 posted on 02/09/2011 5:49:53 AM PST by Nervous Tick (Trust in God, but row away from the rocks!)
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To: dirtboy

But he can line item any attempt to repeal...like they just tried.

Agreed on the house comment...that is a tool for the GOP to currently use but we don’t need to give Obama any more power.


23 posted on 02/09/2011 5:53:18 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: rj45mis

McCain is proving what a retard he is. The line item veto was ruled unconstitutional over ten years ago.


24 posted on 02/09/2011 5:54:39 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Islam is the religion of Satan and Mohammed was his minion.)
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To: surfer
First of all, IMO you are not going to get any changes to Obamacare that Obama himself doesn't want - if he doesn't have line-item veto power, he'll just veto the entire bill.

And second, from what I have read of the line-item veto proposal, it is limited to appropriations. And since spending originates in the House, the GOP already has good control over what is appropriated and what is not.

25 posted on 02/09/2011 5:56:31 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Blood of Tyrants
See post 13 - they are taking a different approach, but I think it would still face the same basic obstacle with SCOTUS.

IMO it will take a Constitutional Amendment to grant the president this power.

26 posted on 02/09/2011 5:57:55 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Obama could also be reelected. Doing it now is stupid given who is in the WH, i.e., the most radical Leftist ever to occupy the office of President. The last thing we want to give him is more power.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 5:57:55 AM PST by kabar
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To: dirtboy

The real question...do you really want anymore power given to Obama?


28 posted on 02/09/2011 5:58:31 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: kabar
I think any opportunity to get a line item veto in place is good, no matter who is in power. It is a very useful tool when it is present at the state level.

We'll just have to agree to disagree here.

29 posted on 02/09/2011 6:00:10 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385

“McCain wants to give Obama line-item veto power”

Why, Juan, so that the Kenyan Fraud can veto the part of the budget bill that defunds ObamaDeathCare?


30 posted on 02/09/2011 6:01:10 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: surfer
The real question is, do you think the line item veto in and of itself is a good idea?

Who is in the White House should be secondary to that question.

31 posted on 02/09/2011 6:01:21 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385
Your so effing ignorant.

During the Reagan years, Republicans routinely called for the line item veto for Reagan because democraps would lard up bills or put items in bills that did not belong. They liked the idea so much the Republicans passed law giving Klinton line item veto power in the 90's.

However, the line item veto was struck down by the Supreme Court, due to the work of hard core leftists who liked larding up bills and sneaking in legislation under the umbrella of other names.

32 posted on 02/09/2011 6:02:23 AM PST by KC_Conspirator
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To: KC_Conspirator

Now, now, don’t go injecting history and logic into one of rab’s rants.


33 posted on 02/09/2011 6:07:16 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Right now I think the GOP should be 100% focused on making our current situation a dismal failure. We need to take the hit because this BS mode our country has been in for 20+ years just isn’t working out.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 6:15:23 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer
Right now I think the GOP should be 100% focused on making our current situation a dismal failure.

I think that's asinine. The situation is plenty bad enough without the GOP trying to deliberately let it get worse. Voters will judge the GOP harshly in 2012, IMO, if the GOP fails to try and improve matters.

35 posted on 02/09/2011 6:20:30 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

It is asinine that you don’t understand just how bad things really are and where this ends up. We either derail what is happening now or we go to global war...seems you think that this is just another bump in the road of the wonderfully politically elite in this country.

History is clear on this and we are in the 1930’s again right now and you would be listening to Neville Chamberlain.

It is about time this country had a major dose of truth.


36 posted on 02/09/2011 6:37:17 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer
It is asinine that you don’t understand just how bad things really are and where this ends up. We either derail what is happening now or we go to global war...seems you think that this is just another bump in the road of the wonderfully politically elite in this country.

If the GOP doesn't take care of at least some of the issues that they campaigned on, guess what? The Dems are back in charge 2013. And if you think things are bad now, wait for that to go down.

I still think things can be turned around or at least mitigated. There was the same sense of gloom late in the Carter years, and it turned around after that.

37 posted on 02/09/2011 6:40:46 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

So you don’t believe this ends in global conflict...ok I get your point. When you finally realize where this goes let’s check back and see if you think this ping pong game of one progressive running against another progressive is actually going to get us anywhere.

Look at this insanity:

http://www.newsrealblog.com/2011/02/08/latino-redistricting-conference-the-seiu-and-the-department-of-justice/

How can the DOJ be involved with this?

The Republic is dead, we are no longer a nation of laws.


38 posted on 02/09/2011 6:43:42 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: rabscuttle385

by the way, did I neglect to mention...NICE JOB, ARIZONA! /sarc


39 posted on 02/09/2011 6:44:15 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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When you finally realize where this goes let’s check back and see if you think this ping pong game of one progressive running against another progressive is actually going to get us anywhere.

Funny, we got a lot of non-progressives elected this time around. I don't share your sense of gloom, sorry. I think things can be turned around - but waiting two more years is time we don't have.

40 posted on 02/09/2011 6:46:30 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: surfer
How can the DOJ be involved with this?

Gee, let's see - could it be because the Dems controlled the House for two years and refused to excercise oversight, which has led to the DOJ feeling it can get away with anything?

But there is a new sheriff in town now. That's what I mean - you act like nothing changed last November, but it did in a big way.

41 posted on 02/09/2011 6:48:20 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: rabscuttle385

McLiar pimped Hussein throughout the campaign so nothing has changed.


42 posted on 02/09/2011 7:02:08 AM PST by bgill (Kenyan Parliament - how could a man born in Kenya who is not even a native American become the POTUS)
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To: dirtboy

The Dems controlled the house ALL because the GOP was so corrupt that America threw them out and somehow you think the GOP has really changed???

They haven’t and you keep thinking...ok I know the GOP will get it right this time...

You are right we don’t have anymore time and that is exactly why the GOP should be doing everything in its power to shut everything down. Don’t fall for the too big too fail scam. It will be ok if the gov’t budgets are shut down - it will force them to make tough choices and the pain will be great but it will for a short duration.

Just like the depression during Coolidge, it was far worse then 1929 but it only lasted for 18 months and then we had the roaring 20’s. This patch crap that both the Dems and the GOP engage in only extend the misery.

Time for Americans to be bold.


43 posted on 02/09/2011 7:14:00 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: dirtboy

Frankly, I think the executive branch has too much power. Executive orders and the executive branch bureauracry with its many czars who rule by fiat have usurped the powers of the legislative branch. We don’t need a king.


44 posted on 02/09/2011 7:21:06 AM PST by kabar
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To: surfer
This patch crap that both the Dems and the GOP engage in only extend the misery.

The patch crap is all out there now. It will take GOP action to undo at least part of it, such as getting rid of the 1099 provision in Obamacare.

45 posted on 02/09/2011 7:37:34 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

Unfortunately dumping the 1099 requirement doesn’t even being to scratch the surface.

How about eliminating every single progressive program ever created for the last 100 years?

The discussion America needs to have now is: Can man govern themselves?

That is what the founders intended, that is the American Experiment.

Once we have that discussion and the lines are drawn who we want to be elected becomes quite clear and it really isn’t anyone running today (couple of exceptions).

It is going to take a huge change like to make a difference we have to stop rationalizing and continue to be willing to accept what is offered by the elite few - they are counting on us to remain apathetic and just accept what they serve up.

This is happening on our watch, our kids are watching us. They will ask us in the future...why did we let this happen?

The bottom line: We can no longer co-exist with progressives - we need to remove them from power and eliminate their ability to screw over the rest of us. They represent evil and nothing good. Their agenda is a complete and total scam.


46 posted on 02/09/2011 7:51:06 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer
we need to remove them from power and eliminate their ability to screw over the rest of us.

So, then, tell us how that happens in real-time. Putting the bell on that cat is a great idea, grasshopper.

How about this - we follow the normal political approach of making progress each election and doing what can be done within each cycle?

Your approach sounds great in principle, but you have utterly no realistic way of doing it the way you envision.

47 posted on 02/09/2011 8:01:17 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

following the normal political process...

How’s that worked out so far? Take a good look around at our country, the world?

The normal political process is exactly why we are where we are. As Reagan said Government is the problem.

Politics is the problem.

In the last 100 years we have had two decent presidents - Coolidge and Reagan. The political process is corrupt and broken and the only “political” group that stands for anything right now is the Tea Party and your beloved GOP has already started to marginalize them.

If we continue our current course this is not going to end well. So we have a choice, be bold and do the right thing based on principles and values or...continue the “normal” political approach where we have to compromise our principles, ignore our values and accepts lies. How has that become the “norm”.

Everyone has just become way too comfortable with evil and apathy and now we even call repugnant things “normal”.


48 posted on 02/09/2011 8:09:26 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: dirtboy

And you know it isn’t even about being bold...the American voter just need to find the courage to do the right thing and actually decide they want to stand for something.


49 posted on 02/09/2011 8:35:25 AM PST by surfer (To err is human, to really foul things up takes a Democrat, don't expect the GOP to have the answer!)
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To: surfer
How’s that worked out so far?

In the last election, we made a lot of headway. You might have grounds to complain if the country voted for more of the same last year.

Instead, you are screaming at the GOP to basically let the problems fester and get worse. There are actions the GOP can take now - cut spending, de-fund Obamacare, get rid of the 1099 requirements - that will be a good starting point.

50 posted on 02/09/2011 8:35:38 AM PST by dirtboy
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