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[South Texas:]Man claims Mexican gunmen pushed him to smuggle machine gun
The Monitor ^ | February 08, 2011 | JARED TAYLOR

Posted on 02/09/2011 7:38:07 AM PST by SwinneySwitch

PHARR — Federal authorities arrested a 21-year-old Pharr man who allegedly tried to smuggle a machine gun into Mexico.

A Pharr police officer stopped Julio Cesar Ramirez's in a white 2006 Hummer H3 as he attempted enter the Pharr-Reynosa International Bridge, according to a criminal complaint.

The officer said he noticed a black gun case in the back seat of the Hummer and called U.S. Customs and Border Protection officers to the scene.

Ramirez claimed he had no guns inside the vehicle, but when officers opened the case, they found a Browning .30-caliber machine gun with a tripod inside, the complaint states.

Ramirez told officers he had been threatened by unidentified gunmen in Reynosa, who threatened to harm him and his family if he failed to deliver the black case.

Ramirez claimed he picked up the case at a McAllen convenience store and was supposed to drop it off halfway across the Pharr bridge.

CBP turned Ramirez over to Immigration and Customs Enforcement special agents, who continue to investigate the case, the complaint states. Agents said Ramirez told the same story about gunmen threatening his family, but could not give any other information that would corroborate his story.

CBP officers seized the machine gun and the Hummer.

The seized firearm, a Browning M1919A4, is a water-cooled, belt-fed machine gun first produced between 1919 and 1945. It was commonly used by the U.S. armed forces in World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War.


TOPICS: Mexico; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: banglist; guns; immigration; mexico; pharr; reynosa; smuggling

U.S. Customs and Border Protection
A machine gun seized by U.S. Customs and
Border Protection is seen Friday at the Pharr-
Reynosa International Bridge.
1 posted on 02/09/2011 7:38:11 AM PST by SwinneySwitch
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To: SwinneySwitch

How is that smuggling. It was on the back seat.


2 posted on 02/09/2011 7:43:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: SwinneySwitch
Dang. I have to move to southern Texas.

Their Wal-Marts have way better gun selections than in IL.
We can't even get a lousy 9mm sub-machine gun let alone a Browning 30 Cal. Machine Gun.


This would be perfect in our Dining Room.


3 posted on 02/09/2011 7:48:24 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: SwinneySwitch

That is an air cooled barrel in the picture.It does not match the description in article. Reporter laziness or Customs disinformation?


4 posted on 02/09/2011 7:49:09 AM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: SwinneySwitch
The seized firearm, a Browning M1919A4, is a water-cooled, belt-fed machine gun first produced between 1919 and 1945. It was commonly used by the U.S. armed forces in World War II, the Korean War and the Vietnam War....

Do these people who write this crap ever heard of a Google search/images???.. it's AIR COOLED and a little easier to lug around

5 posted on 02/09/2011 7:51:28 AM PST by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: Condor51

“Ramirez claimed he picked up the case at a McAllen convenience store...”


6 posted on 02/09/2011 7:52:32 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: 17th Miss Regt

I’d go with the air cooled picture.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 7:54:16 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: SwinneySwitch; Allegra; big'ol_freeper; Lil'freeper; TrueKnightGalahad; blackie; Larry Lucido; ...
Re: ...a Browning... M1919A4, is a water-cooled, belt-fed machine gun...

Whoa! Don't ya think... the water would pour out of all them holes in the barrel?

The writer of this piece, Jared Taylor, is a typical journeylist who doesn't know jack about weapons!

8 posted on 02/09/2011 7:54:38 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I dont think theres any evidence beyond appearance this weapon is a MG. A large number were converted to semi.


9 posted on 02/09/2011 7:59:02 AM PST by 556x45
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To: SwinneySwitch

I wonder if the “Mexican gunmen” were in fact ATF, under Project Gunrunner.


10 posted on 02/09/2011 8:01:45 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: Robe; 17th Miss Regt; SwinneySwitch; big'ol_freeper
Robe, your pix... is a Browning M1917, truly a water-cooled, belt-fed machine gun that was the predecessor of the M1919
11 posted on 02/09/2011 8:02:26 AM PST by Bender2 ("I've got a twisted sense of humor, and everything amuses me." RAH Beyond this Horizon)
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To: SwinneySwitch
5*** “Ramirez claimed he picked up the case at a McAllen convenience store...” ***

Suuuure he did.
It was prolly on the shelf between the M60 and .50Cal Ma Deuce. And right across the aisle from the Claymores, Hand Grenades and Rocket Launchers. (and all the BAR's were at the front of the aisle in a 10% off Sale Display)

These Mexicans must think every American is as STOO-PID as Eric Holder and Janet 'Butch' Nappy is.

12 posted on 02/09/2011 8:07:09 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: fuzzthatwuz; publana; deadmenvote; tuffydoodle; secondamendmentkid; re_nortex; Lorianne; ...

Ping!)))

If you want on, or off this S. Texas/Mexico ping list, please FReepMail me.


13 posted on 02/09/2011 8:10:44 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: Condor51

I wonder if it was a true full auto or the semi auto version which is currently marketed and they are just calling it a “machine gun” to hype the seizure!


14 posted on 02/09/2011 8:12:30 AM PST by catman67
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To: SwinneySwitch
Perfect for deer season.

Mount that baby up in a stand, open bottle of whiskey, await good times.


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

15 posted on 02/09/2011 8:13:15 AM PST by The Comedian (Muslim Brotherhood = A.N.S.W.E.R = Soros = Obama)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Those weren’t no Mexican gunmen. Those were ATF agents!


16 posted on 02/09/2011 8:18:35 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: SwinneySwitch
“Ramirez claimed he picked up the case at a McAllen convenience store...”

Yea, RIGHT. What is the name of the store? Wall-Mart, Sports Authority? Much did it cost? Too many inconsistencies to believe this BS.

17 posted on 02/09/2011 8:27:35 AM PST by 2001convSVT (That Beck guy was right about gold, too.)
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To: Bender2

I’d think once I had the machine gun the leverage of people to make me do things would be greatly reduced.


18 posted on 02/09/2011 8:28:04 AM PST by Richard Kimball
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To: Robe

I think the perspective in their dark, grainy photo makes the barrel shroud look fat and hides the holes in it, almost like an M1917 water-cooled Browning as is in your image. But you’re right, if they did size an M1919, it’s air-cooled.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 8:31:05 AM PST by antiRepublicrat
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To: TigersEye

That’s what I said, too (#10).


20 posted on 02/09/2011 8:43:02 AM PST by backwoods-engineer (Any politician who holds that the state accords rights is an oathbreaker and an "enemy... domestic.")
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To: SwinneySwitch

Sure with they would have shown a water cooled Browning since that’s what they say they seized.


21 posted on 02/09/2011 8:49:10 AM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Bender2

Bendy, I have lotsa .30-06 ammo that works just fine in that rig.


22 posted on 02/09/2011 8:55:50 AM PST by blackie (Be Well~Be Armed~Be Safe~Molon Labe!)
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To: TigersEye

Operation ‘GunRunner’?


23 posted on 02/09/2011 9:21:15 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: backwoods-engineer
That's what I get for not reading the comments first. lol

We're probably right.

24 posted on 02/09/2011 9:44:38 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: Celtic Cross

I thought it was called Project Gunwalker?


25 posted on 02/09/2011 9:45:28 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: backwoods-engineer

sounds like a setup for sure. this guy is probably an informant working for the ATF.


26 posted on 02/09/2011 10:07:57 AM PST by ClayinVA ("Those who don't remember history are doomed to repeat it")
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To: TigersEye

You’re probably right.


27 posted on 02/09/2011 11:04:05 AM PST by Celtic Cross (Looking to escape to Idaho--Will work for keep.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I’m gonna bet those Mexican gunmen spoke pretty good English and had jackets with BATFE on the back.


28 posted on 02/09/2011 11:09:06 AM PST by Double Tap
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To: Celtic Cross

I have heard both so I don’t know what to think about that.


29 posted on 02/09/2011 11:12:15 AM PST by TigersEye (Who crashed the markets on 9/28/08 and why?)
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To: SwinneySwitch

The following is interesting...a border agent killed in Afghanistan...funny....Janet, et al never say a word when they’re killed on the Mexican border!

Statement by Secretary Janet Napolitano on the Death of Retired CBP Officer David Hillman

Release Date: February 8, 2011

For Immediate Release
Office of the Press Secretary
Contact: 202-282-8010

“It is with great sadness that I learned yesterday that Mr. David Hillman, a retired U.S. Customs and Border Protection (CBP) Officer with more than 30 years of federal service, was killed in a suicide bombing at the Inland Customs Warehouse in Kandahar, Afghanistan.

Like many former DHS employees, Mr. Hillman was continuing to serve his country by contributing his vast knowledge and experience, working as a Border Mentor and Advisor in Afghanistan. Mr. Hillman began his career with the U.S Customs Service in Buffalo, New York in 1973. He served in various assignments, including as a Customs Inspector, Supervisor, Program Manager, and, prior to his retirement in 2009, the Port Director at the Halifax International Airport.

The entire DHS family expresses our deepest sympathies to Mr. Hillman’s family and friends, as well as all those affected by this terrible act—including retired CBP personnel Michael Lachowsky, Terry Sherrill, and Vernon Rinus, who were injured in this attack.

We also keep in our thoughts and prayers all of those who put their lives at risk every day, at home and abroad, to defend our country. We honor their service and pray for their continued safety.”


30 posted on 02/09/2011 11:14:52 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: backwoods-engineer

“I wonder if the “Mexican gunmen” were in fact ATF, under Project Gunrunner.”

I thought that was a silly notion, until I read this.

Senator Calls ATF on Allegations Agency Is Allowing Guns Into Mexico
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2667843/posts


31 posted on 02/09/2011 11:45:14 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: SwinneySwitch

Julio Cesar Ramirez’s in a white 2006 Hummer H3 as he attempted enter the Pharr-Reynosa International Bridge, according to a criminal complaint.

This sounds more like he is working for the drug cartels based on he is driving a 2006 Hummer H3 which cost a boat load of money.


32 posted on 02/09/2011 11:59:59 AM PST by moonshinner_09
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To: Double Tap

>I’m gonna bet those Mexican gunmen spoke pretty good English and had jackets with BATFE on the back.

Ah, Agents Mendez, Gonzolas, and Espinosa.


33 posted on 02/09/2011 1:22:59 PM PST by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: SwinneySwitch

I don’t buy it. Semi-auto 1919a4’s are very common. I have one on an AA tripod that’s a blast to shoot. A full auto 1919a4 would be hard for them to come by in this country and it stands to reason that the cartels wouldn’t buy it outside the US to import it into the country, only to turn around and try to get it back to Mexico.

If it is a semi version and this guy isn’t an illegal alien then he didn’t commit any crime in possessing the gun. He should have kept his mouth shut about intending to smuggle it.

The ATF and border patrol don’t get the benefit of the doubt from me. They probably set this guy up.


34 posted on 02/09/2011 5:02:32 PM PST by Dayman
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To: SwinneySwitch

Thanks for the ping SwinneySwitch.


35 posted on 02/09/2011 6:03:47 PM PST by Cindy
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To: OneWingedShark; Dayman; All

From the Houston Chronicle:

While in custody, Ramirez admitted that he had recently purchased a firearm, but could not recall the type of gun or where he put the weapon, according to (ICE agent) Gonzalez.

Pretty lame.


36 posted on 02/10/2011 6:16:21 AM PST by SwinneySwitch (Nemo me impune lacessit)
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To: SwinneySwitch; Liberty Valance; Dayman

Sorry to be so late. I was working at a gun store in San Antonio and almost the exact same thing happened. In our case it was a semi-auto M-2. We knew that if we let the 24 year old “buyer” and his Mexican National buddy take the weapon back home to Brownsville, that it would be rebuilt to full-auto a few days later in Mexico.

We called the BATFE and they scared the buyer out of taking his weapon home. Nobody wants the cartels to have any more weapons than they have now. If you live on the border you don’t need to give the bums a weapon they could use to take potshots across the Rio Grande.


37 posted on 02/18/2011 10:53:44 PM PST by Brucifer (Proud member of the Double Secret Reloading Underground.)
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