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Guest Post: We Don't Need No Stinkin' Jobs (In The U.S.)
ZeroHedge ^ | 2/9/2011 | Charles Hugh Smith

Posted on 02/09/2011 10:22:59 AM PST by FromLori

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1 posted on 02/09/2011 10:23:06 AM PST by FromLori
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To: FromLori

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2 posted on 02/09/2011 10:24:35 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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To: FromLori

I really hate marxist terms like “middle class”.


3 posted on 02/09/2011 10:26:55 AM PST by frogjerk (I believe in unicorns, fairies and pro-life Democrats.)
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To: frogjerk

I really hate to see our middle class shrink when I was growing up they were the envy of the world.


4 posted on 02/09/2011 10:29:06 AM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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To: Toddsterpatriot; 1rudeboy

Your thoughts?


5 posted on 02/09/2011 10:30:49 AM PST by investigateworld (Free Traders don't need guns 'cause they know The Peoples Republic of China are their friends)
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To: AuntB; Liz; okie01; cripplecreek

Corporate boardrooms show their true colors, and those colors aren’t red, white, and blue.


6 posted on 02/09/2011 10:31:22 AM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: FromLori

Here’a a thought. All of us who have any stock at all in any of these treasonous companies should DUMP them post-haste. If you must put your money somewhere, buy gold.

Send ‘em into a financial tailspin that will teach them a lesson they’ll never ever forget.

Or for those of you who don’t want to divest of your holdings, show up at the shareholder’s meetings and create as big of a ruckus as you can. throw as many monkey wrenches into their plans as you’re able to. You can start with derivative actions.


7 posted on 02/09/2011 10:40:52 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: FromLori

It makes a good case for taxing foreign profits and getting off OUR backs, but they’d just move.

It’s an ugly mess with no solution as long as millions are aborted every year here and we don’t grow!


8 posted on 02/09/2011 10:57:04 AM PST by No!
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Send ‘em into a financial tailspin that will teach them a lesson they’ll never ever forget.

Um...we just bailed them out of one of those.

9 posted on 02/09/2011 10:58:02 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Emperor Palpatine
Send ‘em into a financial tailspin that will teach them a lesson they’ll never ever forget.

Um...we just bailed them out of one of those.

10 posted on 02/09/2011 10:58:08 AM PST by Prokopton
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To: Prokopton

And?


11 posted on 02/09/2011 11:00:31 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: FromLori

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12 posted on 02/09/2011 11:04:50 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Emperor Palpatine; Clintonfatigued

“Here’a a thought. All of us who have any stock at all in any of these treasonous companies should DUMP them post-haste. If you must put your money somewhere, buy gold.

Send ‘em into a financial tailspin that will teach them a lesson they’ll never ever forget.”

Exactly right...we are financing our own demise.


13 posted on 02/09/2011 11:08:42 AM PST by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Emperor Palpatine
All companies whether headquartered in the US or elsewhere have a fiduciary responsibility to their share holders to maximize their return on investment. Many times this dictates that companies have to look overseas for less expensive labor and material to accomplish this business objective in order to remain competitive. Most labor intensive industries will never return to the US not only because of high labor and material costs but losing control of their balance sheet to labor unions who are pricing their products out of their market place. The feds can work as hard as they want to control and criticize private sector companies profits however if they keep pursuing this course of action entire companies will leave the US for greener pastures. I have no clue why they have not left already in greater numbers given the vitriolic hatred of the capitalist system by the White House. Keep it up liberals and you will get redistribution of wealth right overseas along with their tax base — good luck when you can't find a good paying job except with the government - oh but no private sector so there will not need for federal gov’t/employees cause they will not have any private sector to manage (control) who use to provide the taxes to support our bloated underworkded/overcompensated public sector employees. Happy days are just around the corner for US’s emancipation from BIG BROTHER.
14 posted on 02/09/2011 11:33:52 AM PST by Hindu George
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To: Hindu George

Like I said.

Patriotic Americans should divest themselves of stock in these companies.


15 posted on 02/09/2011 11:40:54 AM PST by Emperor Palpatine (I'm shocked! Shocked to find out that gambling is going on in here!)
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To: FromLori

A great deal of recent corporate profits have occurred from producing in one low cost, low tax, and low regulatory - with all the benefits of the tech explosion - to a country with a far higher standard of living and access to easy credit. I’d argue that profits weren’t as good back in the day when you were producing in the U.S. and selling here too because it was a parity situation.

Generating internal demand may not be as easy with that advantage gone. And don’t be fooled, cheap tax and regulatory situations are an illusion in these countries. If the govt wants something they just tend to take it, you don’t have half the protections you do here. Corporations may be unpleasantly surprised if they ditch the American consumer. The article sort of contradicts itself here as producing in China and selling in China isn’t going to improve margins either, just sales growth. They hope anyway. And cheaper operating environments will favor small, creative, nimble, and tech superior small companies. Big corps might get their lunch ate.

Not to mention Americans tend to put up with the quality control issues that still plague China and make their products seem cheaper than they are. Even with all our burdens, it actually is still cheaper to make it in the U.S. because we generally do it right the first time. When you count rework, you lose on producing it in China. Problem is the bean counters don’t want to think more than an inch deep. Foreign consumers might be more picky, living standards may not grow like corps want, have a much higher savings rate, and a myriad of other factors that might not be what the corps hope to be.

The middle class may not have lobbying power, but we do have a vote, like we did in 2010. If we can get spending and regs down, and make things palatable for small business again, and focus on tech, we could do quite a bit to be competitive. Whether we will or not remains to be seen.


16 posted on 02/09/2011 11:45:29 AM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: investigateworld
Your thoughts?

This is a very bad thing for conservatives as it prepares the perfect environment for Populists, Leftists, and their fellow travelers to finally gain a good bit of traction selling class warfare. Had he not been such a total sleazeball I would have expected that John Edwards "Two Americas" crap to find a lot of takers. Under the conditions being created by these elites it will be many more times so by 2012. We will have a more or less permanent underclass of 99ers and others who have been pushed out of the middle class by then. I think it sets up a dynamic where it makes it difficult for us to win, especially if the Ross Perot phenomenon repeats itself.
17 posted on 02/09/2011 11:45:55 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Clintonfatigued
Corporate boardrooms’ color is deep green and not that pasty environmental green. If the government would do it part in helping lower the cost of doing business and hiring people, boardroom would elect to do more more business and manufacturing here at home.
18 posted on 02/09/2011 11:47:31 AM PST by oyez (The difference in genius and stupidity is that genius has limits.)
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To: Free Vulcan

Great observation thank you. I was recently reading how China steals our technology and bribes business’s in fact I posted an article about it. Someone had made the comment a complaint should be made to the WTO I had to laugh at that one.

I see this all as very short sighted on the part of our politicians who supported so called free trade. It certainly wasn’t fair trade as the taxes were structured to benefit the foreign countries. I also think it was a mistake to give our enemies, i.e, China the jobs and the money they created look at the size and ability of their well equipped globally capable military now. You would almost think they had a plan to bring American’s down to the level of the third world countries :)

I am well aware of our regulatory environment and it’s job killing tendencies but there is more to this story Fascism comes to mind.


19 posted on 02/09/2011 12:00:00 PM PST by FromLori (FromLori">)
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“If the government would do it part in helping lower the cost of doing business and hiring people, boardroom would elect to do more more business and manufacturing here at home”
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With all due respect to you, that’s the pat answer that all free traders give. But US manufacturers have figured out that even with zero regulation and big wage concessions from the Unions... it would still be cheaper to manufacture in China.

So its a zero sum game and “all things being equal”, the US manufacturers will stay in China because it is too easy to do that instead of going back to the hassle of actually managing a factory workforce here.... even a cheaper one.


20 posted on 02/09/2011 12:02:42 PM PST by NeverForgetBataan (To the German Commander: ..........................NUTS !)
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