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Republicans in House Battle Turmoil in Their Ranks
The New York Times ^ | 02/09/11 | Carl Hulse

Posted on 02/10/2011 6:02:41 AM PST by pgkdan

WASHINGTON — Under pressure to make deeper spending cuts and blindsided by embarrassing floor defeats, House Republican leaders are quickly discovering the limits of control over their ideologically driven and independent-minded new majority.

For the second consecutive day, House Republicans on Wednesday lost a floor vote due to a mini-revolt, this time over a plan to demand a repayment from the United Nations. Earlier in the day, members of the party’s conservative bloc used a closed-door party meeting to push the leadership to go well beyond its plans to trim about $40 billion from domestic spending and foreign aid this year, demanding $100 billion or more

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Representative Jeff Flake, Republican of Arizona, said Republicans should propose an across-the-board reduction if necessary to meet the $100 billion level. “We said we would do it, and so we should,” Mr. Flake said.

And well you should!

But Mr. Rogers (Hal Rodgers,R)and other Republicans warned that doubling the cuts could have substantial consequences for federal agencies, resulting in layoffs and furloughs of federal law enforcement officers and air traffic controllers, steep cuts in education and medical research programs and major changes at the Food and Drug Administration.

Ummmm...that's the idea numnutz!

1 posted on 02/10/2011 6:02:43 AM PST by pgkdan
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To: pgkdan

For those of you who think this new Freshman Class is just more of the same, please click on the link and read the whole article. Our guys are standing up for what’s right and they’re not going to be pushed around.


2 posted on 02/10/2011 6:04:21 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: pgkdan; All

Right and we should believe in what comes out of the New York Times??


3 posted on 02/10/2011 6:06:46 AM PST by KevinDavis (If you buy a car from GM, you are supporting Obama..)
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To: pgkdan

They need to mount a revolt and try to elect someone like Bachmann as the speaker. Boehner is just another entrenched Washington elitist. He may be a lot more conservative than Pelosi, but so was Karl Marx.


4 posted on 02/10/2011 6:06:56 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: pgkdan
Be careful of the NYT...they will take any sign of discord on the right and blow it out of all proportion.

Don't fall for it.

5 posted on 02/10/2011 6:06:57 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: pgkdan

“the party’s conservative bloc used a closed-door party meeting to push the leadership to go well beyond its plans to trim about $40 billion from domestic spending and foreign aid this year, demanding $100 billion or more”

I say MORE, a lot MORE—how about cutting 500 billion now and then really bring out the meat cleaver for the next fiscal year. Eliminate the Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Ed., HUD, HHS, Homeland InSecurity, Civil Rights Division of the Dept. of InJustice, EPA, etc., etc.


6 posted on 02/10/2011 6:07:10 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: pgkdan

If we keep going the way we’re going, we won’t be able to afford them later. Either we do it now or we do it later. The American people understand if we don’t bring spending under control, their children won’t have a future.


7 posted on 02/10/2011 6:07:40 AM PST by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: P-Marlowe

Battle? Turmoil? Pelosi/Marx?


8 posted on 02/10/2011 6:09:06 AM PST by csmusaret (Q: How do they say incompetent failure in Kenya? A: Barack Obama)
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To: pgkdan

“Mr. Rogers (Hal Rodgers,R)and other Republicans warned that doubling the cuts could have substantial consequences for federal agencies, resulting in layoffs and furloughs of federal law enforcement officers and air traffic controllers, steep cuts in education and medical research programs and major changes at the Food and Drug Administration.”

Hal Rodgers and his ilk are Dim Light—they are big government Republicans, like Bush, and are the ones who have done so much to weaken the Republican party.

Rodgers and his buddies need to go in 2012. They are part of the problem rather than the solution.


9 posted on 02/10/2011 6:10:29 AM PST by SharpRightTurn (White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: P-Marlowe

I am for that. New Leadership is needed not the Three Amigos these so called Young Guns are turning out to be.


10 posted on 02/10/2011 6:10:49 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: KevinDavis

The NYT is trying to foment unrest....granted the RINOs are putting up as much of a rear guard fight as they can, they are being over taken in a quiet revolution.

Meanwhile, on the other side of the aisle, and one the NYT refuses to lambast, the dems are killing off any movement to the center. Nothing could be better for the country than for the dem party to be exposed as a bunch of wide eyed free spending socialists.


11 posted on 02/10/2011 6:12:31 AM PST by Mouton
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To: pgkdan

The Revolution Will Not Be Televised.

This demonstrates that before the battle with the liberalism found in the Democratic Party, the first war is to blow up the current GOP and return it to true conservative principles, not big government Republicanism.


12 posted on 02/10/2011 6:15:04 AM PST by almcbean
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To: pgkdan

When we budget, we cut things regardless of if we WANT them because that is the responsible way to spend OTHER PEOPLE’s money.


13 posted on 02/10/2011 6:16:25 AM PST by bboop (Stealth Tutor)
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To: pgkdan
But Mr. Rogers (Hal Rodgers,R)and other Republicans warned that doubling the cuts could have substantial consequences for federal agencies, resulting in layoffs and furloughs of federal law enforcement officers and air traffic controllers, steep cuts in education and medical research programs and major changes at the Food and Drug Administration.

First of all where in the Constitution does it authorize Congress to fund education or medical research programs? And so what if there are drastic changes. American citizens are forced to make drastic changes every time Congress passes a new law.

By definition, every law that is passed is another Liberty that is lost.

14 posted on 02/10/2011 6:16:33 AM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o*)
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To: goldstategop

“Either we do it now or we do it later.”

Right on! Good budgeting during difficult times is always going to bring pain.


15 posted on 02/10/2011 6:17:34 AM PST by rj45mis
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To: Siena Dreaming
I bet that all the new Conservatives are on to the NYT by now.

Everyone knows by now that advice to the R's from the NYT is like Sitting Bull advising Custer on battle strategy.

16 posted on 02/10/2011 6:17:59 AM PST by B.O. Plenty (Give war a chance...)
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To: pgkdan

The problem here is the sorry ass leadership of the republicans in congress. It needs to be changed.


17 posted on 02/10/2011 6:18:07 AM PST by org.whodat
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To: B.O. Plenty
I bet that all the new Conservatives are on to the NYT by now.

Problem is, conservatives even on FR still get taken in.

I remember back in '08 how the NYT snookered millions of conservatives into believing in the Mark Foley gay "scandal" (including the majority here on FR).

The NYT and their minions split the party and gay San Fran Nan got the Speaker chair largely as a result of that Oct "surprise".

18 posted on 02/10/2011 6:25:16 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: pgkdan

From the New York SLIMES comes more “Wishful Thinking,” and their never ending quest to diss Conservatives in an effort to mislead and make a mountain out of a molehill as they work dilligently (albeit misguidedly cuz it ain’t gonna’ happen) towards what they would pine for in 2012; a return to Demo-Rat Control.


19 posted on 02/10/2011 6:28:28 AM PST by Conservative Vermont Vet ((One of ONLY 37 Conservatives in the People's Republic of Vermont. Socialists and Progressives All))
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To: pgkdan

Budget issues and rolling back decades of failed progressive programs is going take some time.

2010 brought in the first wave of fiscal conservatives and they are battling entrenched career politicians from both parties. The fight is on but we are not getting all the info due to a very frightened GOP Old Guard and a severely tainted Media.

It will be at least a couple more election cycles before their are enough new bloods to start turning the progressive tide.

We need to SUPPORT the freshman class of GOP/Tea Party conservatives while preparing to weed out RINO’s in 2012.

One step at a time.


20 posted on 02/10/2011 6:29:38 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: P-Marlowe

Im all for getting rid of boner. Just a continuation of what got us where we are. Id put a rabblerouser like michelle in charge too.


21 posted on 02/10/2011 6:31:41 AM PST by hillarys cankles
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To: pgkdan
FYI My boss had a meeting yesterday and announced that there will be no travel funding for our DOD activity in the foreseeable future. Last FY I traveled CONUS and OCONUS about once a month. He also stated that there is a DA wide hiring freeze, to include promotions, that was projected for 30 days but will most probably be indefinite (no announced ending date).
In my section we have three open slots that I know of that will not be filled now one of which I had hoped to be promoted into.
So DA is doing its part to save dollars.
22 posted on 02/10/2011 6:45:09 AM PST by pappyone
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To: Le Chien Rouge

Agreed. The Old Guard’s been a surprised by the Freshmen’s willingness to flex their muscles. Good. We need fundemental change to the business as usual budgeting mentality that exists in DC today. The status quo is not sustainable and we need change NOW! Looks to me like our new Reps realize that and are willing to fight for it...fight their own leadership if need be.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 6:48:27 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: pgkdan
"It was the third straight embarrassment"; "blindsided by embarrassing floor defeats,..."

The first is from Yahoo news yesterday, and now this from the Times. And notice in the Times article, it shows a picture of Boenher, Cantor, and McCarthy leaving the WH after the lunch with the enemy yesterday. As far as I can see that image has nothing what-so-ever to do with the content of this article. Why put it there? imo, the phrases, the images etc are designed to inflame and it is a concerted effort.

We're going to be bombarded with this type of rhetoric and they (MSM) will try their level best to orchestrate a problem where no problem exist, which should surprise noone.

24 posted on 02/10/2011 6:52:04 AM PST by Outlaw Woman
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To: pgkdan

Outside of a few... the old timer republicans in the House are just as responsible for our debt as the dims... so it is great that new blood is drawing blood... THIS IS WAR!

LLS


25 posted on 02/10/2011 6:52:06 AM PST by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!!!)
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To: Conservative Vermont Vet; KevinDavis; Siena Dreaming; B.O. Plenty
The issue here is not the messenger. We all know the NYT for the POS it is but what's important is that our Freshman Class is standing up for what they promised us they'd do! A week ago people thought that $100BUSD in cuts was a promise broken already...now we know that it's still on the table!

As for as the NYT sowing disunity among the GOP ranks...good! We need a little disunity!!! The leadership needs to know that they can NOT take our votes for granted and they're getting that message loud and clear. If the NYT is happy about that...who cares? It will make US stronger in the long run.

26 posted on 02/10/2011 6:58:24 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: pgkdan
But the leadership was clearly surprised by the resistance to a measure to provide aid to workers displaced by new trade agreements

Now there's a trade agreement...Trade American jobs for what??? For whom??? And then pay the former workers with tax payer's money for not working...

And the morons can't figure out why someone would object to that...

27 posted on 02/10/2011 7:03:03 AM PST by Iscool (I don't understand all that I know...)
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To: pgkdan
...to push the leadership to go well beyond its plans to trim about $40 billion from domestic spending and foreign aid this year, demanding $100 billion or more...

STILL, a drop in the bucket! Zero has added TRILLIONS in the last two years. We need to be talking about cuts that are approaching 1 TRILLION, if not more!

28 posted on 02/10/2011 7:05:23 AM PST by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: B.O. Plenty

Well part of the problem here is the assumption that conservatives view Republicans as any more trustworthy then the NYT’s. We don’t. I might even slightly take the NYT’s over the word of a Republican is only because if there is something Republicans don’t want out there because it would hurt them with the base I know the NYT’s will gleefully report it.

I’m not naive to their reporting though. As eager as they are to destroy Republicans they frequently make up facts too. Except numerous ideological outlets have reported the failed floor votes.

They are reporting them as a bad thing of course. I see it as nothing but a positive.

“It is going to take a while for them to find their way,” said Representative John B. Larson of Connecticut, chairman of the Democratic Caucus. “For so many of their new members, discipline within the party and allegiance to a party doesn’t mean an awful lot.”

This is the kind of entrenched attitude I hate and I hope the freshman aren’t corrupted by it and “find their way” to screwing us over like the establishment has so often done.

Bills should not be expediated. They should be read in full, debated,and voted accordingly. If I ad my way and I believe te leadership made vague promises to the effect that bills would no longer be lumped together but voted issue by issue. They promised to make 100B in cuts and while that is small it’s a start and they should keep their word. Still hoping for mutiny on passing a rise in the debt ceiling.

I would like to correct the NYT’s. The Republicans were not successful in making cutting the budget an issue. The People made it an issue.


29 posted on 02/10/2011 7:11:48 AM PST by Soul Seeker ( I was there when we had the numbers, but didn’t have the principles.---Jim DeMint)
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To: pgkdan

The Times no doubt loves Republican fractiousness. But I might remind them that fights, especially over fundamental issues, is a sign of life. The party is ALIVE with turmoil, while Democrats are moribund.


30 posted on 02/10/2011 7:12:28 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: hillarys cankles

I thought it was supposed to Michelle Bachman’s job and she got doublecrossed out of it by the power elite.


31 posted on 02/10/2011 7:13:30 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: Tublecane

is a sign of life = are a sign of life


32 posted on 02/10/2011 7:14:29 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: pgkdan

in typical fashion, the NY Times neglects to tell you that these were being voted on under suspension of the rules, which requires a 2/3 majority. And that gave plenty of Democrats who had previously voted Aye a chance to flip-flop and create some mischef. Both items will likely pass with a simple majority under normal procedures. Not a good sign though that Boehner apparently never saw this coming.


33 posted on 02/10/2011 7:18:26 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: P-Marlowe

“They need to mount a revolt and try to elect someone like Bachmann as the speaker. Boehner is just another entrenched Washington elitist.”

Right, and, given his performance (i.e. crying), he hasn’t even delivered the only benefit of entrenched figures: namely, respect and esteem.


34 posted on 02/10/2011 7:18:37 AM PST by Tublecane
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To: pgkdan
As for as the NYT sowing disunity among the GOP ranks...good!

I guess you forgot to read what I said about the Mark Foley "disunity" which the NYT fomented.

It got us FOUR YEARS of San Franciso leading the nation.

No thanks...I won't buy into the NYT tactics.

35 posted on 02/10/2011 7:42:18 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Buckeye McFrog

Yes, the media is flogging a Dem meme- as usual.

Look at this:
“ House Republicans on Wednesday lost a floor vote due to a mini-revolt, this time over a plan to demand a repayment from the United Nations.”

Duh 2 Rs voted nay. 2 is a ‘mini-revolt’ LOL!
http://www.govtrack.us/congress/vote.xpd?vote=h2011-28

Rather obvious the media knows they’re using Dem votes to cry the meme of “Republican disarray”.


36 posted on 02/10/2011 7:45:22 AM PST by mrsmith
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To: Siena Dreaming

Are you suggesting that it’s ok for sitting Congressmen to make homosexual advances at young teenage pages?


37 posted on 02/10/2011 7:56:27 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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