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Mayoral debate gets heated when slave reparations come up (Chicago)
WBEZ Chicago ^ | Feb 10, 2011 | Sam Hudzik

Posted on 02/10/2011 6:43:40 AM PST by KeyLargo

Mayoral debate gets heated when slave reparations come up

Sam Hudzik February 10, 2011

All six candidates for Chicago mayor claim they support reparations for descendants of United State slaves, but they have different definitions of what that means.

The topic came up at a debate Wednesday evening sponsored by the Chicago Defender newspaper at the DuSable Museum of African American History. Intermixed with questions about schools, the city budget, recidivism and Tax increment Financing districts, was the question about reparations.

Some of the answers, which follow below, include perhaps the most heated rhetoric of the evening.

Carol Moseley Braun

Braun gave a very straightforward answer that highlighted her past support for reparations and other civil rights issues, such as those involving the Confederate flag and the Underground Railroad.

Gery Chico

Chico said he would support reparations "perhaps to help children augment their education...I'd like to see more money put into a pool to develop our businesses into our communities."

Rahm Emanuel

Emanuel said he would support reparations, but added, "I think we have to be honest and frank with ourselves, we have a budget deficit that also needs to be addressed." Emanuel then said there are "clear choices" to be made on education, criminal justice and economic development policy, which will "mak[e] sure that we reverse the social and economic trends that have set major parts of the city and major population centers backward."

Bill "Dock" Walls

Walls said he supports reparations, but is not in favor of "educational reparations" because he said seniors may not benefit from them. He also worries that the educational system would be overloaded, potentially creating "substandard educational institutions just to have educational institutions." Walls said reparations need to be financial. "Don't give it to them under guarded circumstances as though African Americans can't take care of their own finances, like they're going to go out and buy Mercedes Benz and Cadillacs," Walls said.

Patricia Van Pelt Watkins

Watkins said she is "definitely" in support of reparations, before going on the attack in one of the most applause-inducing moments of the debate. "When I hear Rahm Emanuel talking about a budget deficit when we're talking about reparations, to me that's offensive," Watkins said. "This country was built on our backs, the backs of our ancestors. They bled, they died, they came in chains and they died in pain. So don't talk to me about budget deficits right now. Not on this subject." (Emanuel did not respond to Watkins' comments during the debate.)

Miguel del Valle

"I believe that we need to build up our neighborhoods through economic development and the government needs to be a real partner in that process," del Valle said. He talked of "elevating the quality of public education," and providing job training "to elevate the economic status of the entire community." He also called for a federally-funded year-round youth employment program. Pressed by Walls to comment directly about reparations, del Valle replied, "In my mind, that is reparations - elevating the entire community."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Illinois
KEYWORDS: chicago; democrats; illinois; reparations; slaves


1 posted on 02/10/2011 6:43:42 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I support reparations also, along with a free boat ticket to the African country of origin.


2 posted on 02/10/2011 6:46:49 AM PST by Le Chien Rouge
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To: KeyLargo

Can someone tell me why this would be an issue in the Chicago maor’s race? Surely, the City of Chicago isn’t going to pay these and even if they wanted to and had the money, who would they pay them to? Last I heard, Chicago wasn’t a hot bed of Slavery.


3 posted on 02/10/2011 6:47:33 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: KeyLargo
slave reparations

For past or current participants?

4 posted on 02/10/2011 6:48:23 AM PST by Libloather (The epitome of civility.)
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To: KeyLargo

Will they have to PROVE they are a descendent of a slave? Doubtful.


5 posted on 02/10/2011 6:50:10 AM PST by MEGoody (Ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.)
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To: KeyLargo

Whites = Suckers


6 posted on 02/10/2011 6:50:56 AM PST by Altura Ct.
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

Now why would you ask a question like that? You know they gotta show dere bonefides.


7 posted on 02/10/2011 6:51:09 AM PST by marlon ("They talk about me like a dog" Barack Obama)
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To: KeyLargo

You know Vanessa Williams did research into her background and discovered that her ancestor was never a slave. This assumption that all blacks were slave descendants is fallacious.


8 posted on 02/10/2011 6:51:22 AM PST by yldstrk (My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: KeyLargo
Disinter every former black slave in Chicago, there can't be that many. Slip a check for $1,000,000 into their coffins and cover them back up.
9 posted on 02/10/2011 6:52:47 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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To: KeyLargo

I think they owe me reparations for the last 50 years of Great Society BS. I want my money back.


10 posted on 02/10/2011 6:53:14 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: KeyLargo

“Chicago. We’re not Detroit, but we’ll get there!”


12 posted on 02/10/2011 6:56:16 AM PST by Larry Lucido
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To: KeyLargo
There are NO ex slaves in this nation!

Hell, some of my ancestors came here as indentured servants, should I start chasing down the descendents of those my ancestors had to work for?

How long are some people going to sit around whining before they get off their butts and do something to better themselves?

I'd rather send money to North Korea, that is slavery!

13 posted on 02/10/2011 6:57:50 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: KeyLargo

How many of these descendants of slaves who think America has given them such a raw deal want to go back to Africa?


14 posted on 02/10/2011 6:58:07 AM PST by Fresh Wind (TOTUS knows how to give a speech. Obama knows how to read.)
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To: KeyLargo

“All six candidates for Chicago mayor claim they support reparations for descendants of United State slaves,”

Chicago is a lost cause.


15 posted on 02/10/2011 6:59:39 AM PST by Josephat
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To: screaminsunshine

16 posted on 02/10/2011 7:00:28 AM PST by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I support voluntary repatriations for all Chicago mayoral candidates. Hell won’t accept them until they’re dead, though.


17 posted on 02/10/2011 7:00:35 AM PST by struggle ((The struggle continues))
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To: KeyLargo

This assumes that the problems African-Americans face today are caused by the fact that they may or may not have had ancestors who were slaves.

Basically, it’s a scam. It’s handing money to people who never were slaves, are far removed from slavery, or never really had slave ancestors.


18 posted on 02/10/2011 7:03:40 AM PST by popdonnelly (If Obama improves education, who'll vote for him?)
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To: screaminsunshine

If this line starts, in all serious to take hold—

...and we are now in full throttle to require American taxpayers to financially compensate every human being for any institutional disadvantage and discrimination experienced by their distant ancestors...

Just IMAGINE what 50% of the population could claim (women):

It took until the same century that we put a man on the moon, that we gave *women*/aka “chattal”, authentic control over their destiny by providing them the citizen’s rightful opportunity to participate in free elections by casting their own vote—which is inextricably linked to the derivative opportunity to build independent wealth...

hmm, now how does one begin to calculate a reparative award on that?? We are talking far more punitive time and sum of people than the exclusive black demographic!

What a RIDICULOUSLY SLIPPERY SLOPE.

THIS IS MADNESS.


19 posted on 02/10/2011 7:04:46 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: SWAMPSNIPER
These reparations folk think they have a wedge into the collective guilt of liberals. Liberals are guilty of and for a lot of things, but they certainly base their their world-view more on feelings than facts. This makes them extremely vulnerable to manipulation. Thank God for clear-minded real people, aka CONSERVATIVES.
20 posted on 02/10/2011 7:05:53 AM PST by downtownconservative
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To: Le Chien Rouge

I support reparations for every living ex-slave.


21 posted on 02/10/2011 7:06:01 AM PST by glorgau
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To: Josephat

The good news is that whatever happens in Chicago stays in Chicago.

Few big city governments are more than political pandering machines with widespread corruption and big benefits for politically connected cronies. Why? Because most of the citizens are poor, uneducated, dis-interested, and unmotivated.

We the people need to make sure that the USA at large isn’t turned into the same thing.


22 posted on 02/10/2011 7:09:29 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest non-corrupt government for the people, not just government for corporatists)
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To: screaminsunshine

I think you might find this interesting.
First State Recognized Slave Was Owned by Anthony Johnson - a Black Man
http://current.com/groups/learn/92619535_first-state-recognized-slave-was-owned-by-anthony-johnson-a-black-man.htm


23 posted on 02/10/2011 7:10:24 AM PST by nolongerademocrat ("Before you ask G-d for something, first thank G-d for what you already have." B'rachot 30b)
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To: Le Chien Rouge

They have been paid 10 times over what they deserved already. And that doesnt count what has been stolen. Let them all move to Chicago and give them the city.


24 posted on 02/10/2011 7:11:01 AM PST by RocketRoland
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To: Altura Ct.
Whites = Gutless Suckers

There. Fixed it.
25 posted on 02/10/2011 7:11:33 AM PST by crosshairs (The word for actor in Greek is hypocrite (its true).)
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To: nolongerademocrat

They should put all the Poverty Pimps in a Museum.


26 posted on 02/10/2011 7:11:59 AM PST by screaminsunshine (34 States)
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To: downtownconservative
Most of my problems are my own damned fsult, I believe most people could say that!

I've known people who were so dumb they were pitiful, who had enough pride and dignity to overcome it and take care of themselves.

27 posted on 02/10/2011 7:13:25 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

Actually there are ex slaves in this nation. They are mostly arrivals from other countries mainly located in Africa, where slavery is still practiced. Some of the worse ex slave stories I’ve read originated in Sudan.


28 posted on 02/10/2011 7:19:32 AM PST by BBell
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To: popdonnelly
Basically, it’s a scam. It’s handing money to people who never were slaves, are far removed from slavery, or never really had slave ancestors.

Money from people who never owned a slave and may have had ancestors who fought against slavery.

29 posted on 02/10/2011 7:20:14 AM PST by Bearshouse
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To: Bearshouse

As I said up further, if this is allowed to move forward:

Just IMAGINE what 50% of the population could claim (women):

It took until the same century that we put a man on the moon, that we gave *women*/aka “chattal”, authentic control over their destiny by providing them the citizen’s rightful opportunity to participate in free elections by casting their own vote—which is inextricably linked to the derivative opportunity to build independent wealth...

hmm, now how does one begin to calculate a reparative award on that?? We are talking far more punitive time and sum of people than the exclusive black demographic!

What a RIDICULOUSLY SLIPPERY SLOPE.

THIS IS MADNESS.


30 posted on 02/10/2011 7:22:15 AM PST by cycle of discernment
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To: BBell

Most of those ex slaves are working their butts off, speaking good English, and Damned happy to be here!.


31 posted on 02/10/2011 7:23:55 AM PST by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, A Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER

You got that right. And when you perform a service for them they usually pay in cash very promptly.


32 posted on 02/10/2011 7:25:40 AM PST by BBell
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To: KeyLargo

Society has given the reparations seekers Chicago, Detroit, Oakland, Washington D.C., Atlanta, and a dozen other major cities along with affirmative action and financial support for a half century. My card is stamped “paid in full”.


33 posted on 02/10/2011 7:27:10 AM PST by Temujinshordes
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To: cycle of discernment
"THIS IS MADNESS."

Okay, nobody has done it yet so I'll do it:

Madness? This. Is. SPARTA!!!!
34 posted on 02/10/2011 7:31:30 AM PST by FortWorthPatriot (Obama is no Hitler; Hitler got the Olympics!)
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To: KeyLargo
I support reparations. I really do. I believe we ALL should support reparations. In fact I am willing to give my hard earned money to ANYONE who can show proof that they were a slave before 1865.

As for their descendants, sorry no free cash for you.

35 posted on 02/10/2011 7:37:56 AM PST by Wizdum (Wisdom is what you gain when things go wrong.)
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To: KeyLargo

The only reparation I would support would be a one way ticket back to their slave ancestor’s country of origin. As well as a revocation of citizenship. If this country has been so awful to these folks that would seem to me to be the only fair thing to do.


36 posted on 02/10/2011 7:48:40 AM PST by pgkdan (Protect and Defend America! End the practice of islam on our shores before it's too late!)
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To: glorgau
I support reparations for every living ex-slave.

...to be paid only by living ex-slave owners.

37 posted on 02/10/2011 9:03:08 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: KeyLargo
Reparations have long been paid:


38 posted on 02/10/2011 9:11:19 AM PST by ScottinVA (The West needs to act NOW to aggressively treat its metastasizing islaminoma!)
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To: KeyLargo
Unlimited reparations are available to all. All one needs to do is accept a one-way ride to Liberia, and viola! You're repatriated and reparated.

Get movin', "slaves".


Today is a good day to die.
I didn't say for whom.

39 posted on 02/10/2011 9:13:21 AM PST by The Comedian (Muslim Brotherhood = A.N.S.W.E.R = Soros = Obama)
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To: KeyLargo
Bill "Dock" Walls :
Walls said reparations need to be financial. "Don't give it to them under guarded circumstances as though African Americans can't take care of their own finances, like they're going to go out and buy Mercedes Benz and Cadillacs," Walls said.


Okay, 'Dock' wins.
Just for the laugh factor.

He knows dam well they WILL go out and buy Caddy's and Benz's.
And if here's enough money -- Bentley's

40 posted on 02/10/2011 9:22:16 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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To: Condor51

It was former 3rd Ward alderwoman Dorothy Tillman of Chicago who stated in her motion for reparations for slaves, “ Keep your 40 acres and a mule, We want a Lexus”

Dorothy ‘The Hat’ Tillman was endorsed by Barak Obama in the 2007 Chicago runoff election which she lost.

http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=270726


41 posted on 02/10/2011 3:02:58 PM PST by KeyLargo
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To: Bearshouse

Spot on! Or as one wag put it - Reparations: Extortion paid by white people who were never slave owners to blacks who were never slaves.


42 posted on 02/10/2011 7:56:34 PM PST by donaldo
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks KeyLargo. Ironically, Emanuel pleaded for everyone to be realistic.
43 posted on 02/10/2011 9:06:41 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: KeyLargo
*** It was former 3rd Ward alderwoman Dorothy Tillman of Chicago who stated in her motion for reparations for slaves, “ Keep your 40 acres and a mule, We want a Lexus” ***

Yeah I remember her all too well. She was such a loon she should have been in Congress.

44 posted on 02/11/2011 4:20:53 AM PST by Condor51 (Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a Congressman. But I repeat myself. [Mark Twain])
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