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Sacramento's sorry rating on Forbes magazine index adds to region's misery (POd at Forbes)
Sacramento Bee ^ | February 10, 2011 | Anita Creamer

Posted on 02/10/2011 7:14:31 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife

When she learned that Forbes magazine last week named Sacramento fifth on its annual list of most miserable cities, Sacramento high school teacher Kari Bluff took to her blog to express her succinct reaction:

"Stuff it, Forbes," she wrote.

.....Judging from the insulted tone of online comments, blog posts, Facebook updates and letters to the editor, the Forbes list has hit a nerve with local residents.

"I hate to say it, but misery has a direct correlation to money," said Tim Hinsche, a 64-year-old real estate broker who downsized to a one-bedroom Sacramento apartment after the short sale of his Folsom home.

"I don't think Sacramento has any other drawbacks than the struggling economy."

Granted, Sacramento has taken hit after hit with high unemployment, the foreclosure crisis, furlough days, salary reductions and service cuts resulting from strapped state and local budgets.

But what seems to especially gall Sacramentans is the fact that the Forbes misery index purports to rate not only the economy but also quality of life issues like weather, crime rates and commute times.

So how could Sacramento – home of the dry heat and the relatively quick commute – possibly rank No. 5, while the magazine considers perennial problem spots like Cleveland (No. 10) and Detroit (No. 15) less miserable?

..."Quality of life is the main thing. There are a lot of people here who have their mortgages under control. Their lifestyle here is fantastic. I don't think most people in Sacramento think they're living a miserable life."

..."The whole Forbes presumption that any place in America is miserable based on economic statistics represents a bankrupt world view," said Sapunor, 30, who lives in South Land Park.

Snap! Take that, Forbes.

Sapunor even suggests the city should sue the magazine for civic slander.

(Excerpt) Read more at sacbee.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ca; forbes; malaise; misery
Well, it is after all.....California, home to the beautiful people where popular culture originates. Cough.
1 posted on 02/10/2011 7:14:35 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

California’s in some deep trouble


2 posted on 02/10/2011 7:27:32 AM PST by therightliveswithus
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Sapunor even suggests the city should sue the magazine for civic slander.

Just when I start to think, I've heard (seen) it all, I read a comment like this.

"Civic slander"

3 posted on 02/10/2011 7:28:39 AM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country. The thing is, Sarah loves mine.)
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California has never looked less golden, with eight of its cities making the top 20 on our annual list.List

Stockton, CA
Miami, FL
Merced, CA
Modesto, CA
Sacramento, CA
Memphis, TN
Chicago, IL
West Palm Beach, FL
Vallejo, CA
Cleveland, OH
Flint, MI
Toledo, OH
Ft. Lauderdale, FL
Youngstown, OH
Detroit, MI
Washington DC
Fresno, CA
Salinas, CA
Jacksonville, FL
Bakersfield, CA

4 posted on 02/10/2011 7:28:39 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Graybeard58

Yeah, “civic slander.” How cute is that?
They’re okay with it if Detroit or some Texas city or any fly\over city lands on the list but they quickly cry, “I want my lawyer!” when they get tagged with that label.


5 posted on 02/10/2011 7:35:04 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Totally bogus ranking if Sac is 5th worse and Detroit only 15th worse.


6 posted on 02/10/2011 7:43:56 AM PST by catnipman (Cat Nipman: Made from the right stuff!)
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To: catnipman
Methodology

[We looked at the 200 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the U.S. The minimum population to be eligible is 249,000. We ranked each area on 10 factors, including unemployment over three years, tax rates (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past three years. We added two housing metrics this year: the change in median home prices over three years, and foreclosure rates in 2010, as compiled by RealtyTrac. We also considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each region, as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice. Lastly, we factored in an index put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that rates weather in each metro on factors relating to temperature, precipitation and humidity.]

7 posted on 02/10/2011 7:56:10 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
[We looked at the 200 largest metropolitan statistical areas in the U.S. The minimum population to be eligible is 249,000. We ranked each area on 10 factors, including unemployment over three years, tax rates (both sales and income), commute times, violent crime and how its pro sports teams have fared over the past three years. We added two housing metrics this year: the change in median home prices over three years, and foreclosure rates in 2010, as compiled by RealtyTrac. We also considered corruption based on convictions of public officials in each region, as tracked by the Public Integrity Section of the U.S. Department of Justice. Lastly, we factored in an index put together by Portland, Ore., researcher Bert Sperling that rates weather in each metro on factors relating to temperature, precipitation and humidity.]

These are all relevant factors.

It comes down to the weights.

I lived in Sacramento for 21 years. The weather there to me is more important than professional sports. Crime was not bad.

I can imagine that the reduction in home value plays alot into this. Detroit/Cleveland home values may have declined little in the past three years since they had already declined. Not so in Sacramento.

Many persons who had their financial future ripped out from them are going to be miserable. Many people in Detroit / Cleveland didn't have a financial future.

What is telling in Sacramento is sports. The Kings suck worse than ever. As if to compound, they renamed the stadium from "ARCO (a major energy company) Arena" to the "Power Balance Pavilion" apparently a company that sells fairy dust.

8 posted on 02/10/2011 8:12:53 AM PST by cicero2k
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Liz; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge; ...

One other factor should be added to calculate the misery index and that is the number/% of illegals in each city/state.

The illegals come here demanding instant free rent,food, health care, ob care for their Anchor Baby mothers, and from what we see on tv and in the fishwraps they are truly miserable people. They hate America which enables them to escape their miserable third world country.

The misery of illegals doesn’t stop with the illegals, it spreads to the left wing activists in each city from city hall to the local mediots. They scream 365/24/7 about how miserable they and their beloved illegals are. Of course they demand more tax payer money for their beloved illegals.

Then, the silent tax paying majority gets really miserable for having to pay for the illegals new and so called liberal life style and having to listen to their whining activists whining about how bad the illegals have it in America, the land of free living for them.

Then, the silent tax paying majority has to pay and put up with the crimes committed by the whining illegals. The personal costs are high and so are the $ costs relating to policing, arrests, and putting illegal criminals into prison and keeping them there.


9 posted on 02/10/2011 8:19:13 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave

Mexican president Calderon and Ohaha.

10 posted on 02/10/2011 8:33:48 AM PST by Liz
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To: Grampa Dave

Great tagline:

ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE


11 posted on 02/10/2011 8:36:48 AM PST by Liz
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To: Liz
Thanks Liz. This cartoon sums up what we hear from Mexico, the illegals and left wing Rats like 0b0z0, who love illegals and hate America.


12 posted on 02/10/2011 8:36:54 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Liz

Thanks re my tagline. I have had it over a year.

The $ cost and personal/misery costs of supporting the illegals, who hate America, grows each day.


13 posted on 02/10/2011 8:38:50 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave
When you see your list of items....weather doesn't seem that big of a factor...

Flyover country looks better.

14 posted on 02/10/2011 8:39:02 AM PST by Ernest_at_the_Beach ( Support Geert Wilders)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Weather becomes a bigger factor for many of us as we grow older and wiser re why suffer with miserable weather.


15 posted on 02/10/2011 8:41:09 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Grampa Dave; Cincinatus' Wife; tubebender; Ernest_at_the_Beach; SierraWasp; NormsRevenge
......illegals demand taxpayers provide instant free rent, food, health care, ob care for their Anchor Babies and the mothers........

RIDING THE US GRAVY TRAIN---THE SAGA OF PEDRO An illegal alien w/ wife and five children violates our borders. He gets a job mowing loans for $5.00 or 6.00/hour. At that low wage, with six dependents, he pays no income tax, so each year, he files an Income Tax Return to get "EITC---earned income credit" of up to $3,200 scot-free.

He qualifies for Section 8 housing and subsidized rent. He qualifies for food stamps and no deductible, no co-pay free health care. His children get free school breakfasts and lunches.

The kids qualify for monthly SSI checks, faking ADD; the illegal and his wife get SSI if they fake being aged, blind or disabled; SSI qualifies them for Medicare.

Plus illegals don't worry about pricey items like car insurance, life insurance, or homeowners insurance, and qualifies for relief from high energy bills.

ALL OF THAT IS COLLECTED WITH JUST ONE IDENTITY Evidence shows illegals establish several identities with phony SS nos and fake documents (which these "poor immigrants" buy from document brokers for several thousand dollars).

16 posted on 02/10/2011 8:43:30 AM PST by Liz
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Doctor's orders: Go to Mexico (because she is an illegal immigrant) GALVESTON — The crushing news came last month as Maria Sanchez was being prepared for surgery to remove a banana-size tumor along her spine that had crept between her vertebrae.

Unable to use her right hand because of the growing tumor, Sanchez, 24, had been at the University of Texas Medical Branch's John Sealy Hospital for six days when, she said, a Spanish-speaking doctor told her she had to leave the hospital immediately because she was an illegal immigrant. The doctor said she should have surgery in Mexico, according to Sanchez.

Sanchez's hospital records state that she was discharged because she was "an undocumented pt (patient) with no insurance." Records show that Sanchez underwent at least one medical procedure and surgery was scheduled before she was dismissed without warning Jan. 12.

After being discharged, Sanchez called her husband, Luis Aguillon, a legal U.S. resident, who arrived at the hospital to find his wife and his mother sitting on her bed crying.

"They treated us like animals, like dogs or something," said Aguillon, 36, an unemployed welder.

Sanchez's abrupt expulsion raises ethical and legal questions about the treatment of low-income patients with life-threatening conditions. A doctor who reviewed Sanchez's medical records for the Houston Chronicle said they showed that UTMB ejected a woman with a potentially fatal condition because she was unable to pay...........

(So......)[snip]

"Aguillon eventually took his wife to at least five hospitals and three clinics. Aguillon finally moved from Galveston to Houston so he could qualify for care at Ben Taub General Hospital, where she is being treated."

17 posted on 02/10/2011 8:51:48 AM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Liz

Pedro is probably happy re his lifestyle, and those who are paying for his family of illegals and their life style are probably high on the misery index.


18 posted on 02/10/2011 8:52:12 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

I was born and raised in San Francisco. In 1969, the family moved to Sacramento. I was 10.

Sacramento was a sprawling CA valley cow town with few problems and little to recommend it. It wasn’t too bad of a place to live.

Today Sacramento is just a bigger, nastier, more rude, more congested cow town. It doesn’t help that half of Oakland moved into places like Elk Grove and Natomas.

My old neighborhood is still nice but the large succession of Taquerias and fenced yards is constantly creeping closer. This is from the massive middle class white flight from Sacramento to Lincoln, Rocklin, Roseville, and El Dorado Hills, & etc.

1985-2007 I lived in San Francisco to work on the bay bridges. Visiting my Sacramento parents those 12 years, I saw a steady progression of crowding and decay. They sleepy cowtown became San Jose in a decade.

When I decided to return to Sacramento in 2007, I just couldn’t do it and leaped over it for the crappy little conservative cowtown of Yuba City.

Yes, Sacramento is pretty miserable living. I couldn’t go back to it after the place was ruined. I wouldn’t live in Sacramento on a bet. Compared to 1969, it has been ruined. That is hardly unique to Sacramento.


19 posted on 02/10/2011 9:02:16 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be Fooked.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Exactly...... it is California.

I mean, check out the Governor......... a has been retread professional pol liberal crook.


20 posted on 02/10/2011 9:06:00 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 .....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Every California city on that list, is now, always was, or has become recently, an armpit.

Fresno?
Salinas?
Stockton?
Merced?

Yuck. Those are all horrible cities. Complete armpit.

I really hate the way the liberals conquered all of the beautiful CA coastal areas where I would love to live, but can’t due to insane socialism/liberalism and over-crowding.

Coastal California must have been like heaven in the 1950s. It is virtually uninhabitable for me now.


21 posted on 02/10/2011 9:09:07 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be Fooked.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

All that maybe, but they still have Gunther’s Ice Cream on Franklin Blvd!


22 posted on 02/10/2011 9:18:40 AM PST by muleskinner
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To: muleskinner

OK, I’ll give you that one. ;-)

Being serious, there are several good things about Sacramento and some of them came with the increased congestion. Better shopping. Better entertainment opportunities.

I just find the city unliveable. It went from a peaceful little non-descript cowtown with few reedeming values to a congested, rude, stressful big cowtown with few redeeming values and a LOT of downside.


23 posted on 02/10/2011 9:36:29 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be Fooked.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Just an observation...

30 years ago, Sacramento was a conservative government/military city and was not on any misery list.

Currently, Sacramento has never been more liberal, and is way atop the misery list.

Coincidence? I think not, Wilma. I think not.


24 posted on 02/10/2011 9:38:12 AM PST by Freedom_Is_Not_Free (We be Fooked.)
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To: Freedom_Is_Not_Free

Excellent observation!

When liberals run towns, they die a long, slow death.


25 posted on 02/10/2011 12:41:50 PM PST by Cincinatus' Wife (Allhttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2122429/posts)
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To: Grampa Dave; Liz; AuntB

Great rant....I cannot improve on it.


26 posted on 02/10/2011 3:19:39 PM PST by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Liz; Grampa Dave
"a job mowing loans"

I used ta have wunna dose, wen I was knee high to a grasshopper!!!(grin)

27 posted on 02/10/2011 7:48:00 PM PST by SierraWasp (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish man's heart to the left. (Eccl 10:2))
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Yet another great rant from the venerable, yet vulnerable... GRAMPA DAVE!!! (grin)


28 posted on 02/10/2011 7:57:27 PM PST by SierraWasp (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish man's heart to the left. (Eccl 10:2))
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; Grampa Dave; SierraWasp

The west side of Eureka has been been invaded by Group Homes (flop houses) for rehab of druggies plus section 8 rentals with more and more of the Oakland crowd. The older motels on 101 are drug dens with subsidized rentals via the “Welfare Dept” (Poverty Pimps). Eureka city schools have lost 30 to 40% of their students to charter schools and relocations to other areas where there is some work. They have closed 5 elementary schools and 2 Jr high schools...


29 posted on 02/10/2011 8:32:13 PM PST by tubebender (The coldest winter I ever spent was a summer in Eureka...)
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To: tubebender

Your area has been experiencing the dread Spotted Owl misery index for decades with the add misery index of a community opening its arms to the criminal element/druggie element and the illegal alien elements.

So the tax paying parents and worker bees take their kids out of public school and go to charter schools or move out of the area.

“The west side of Eureka has been been invaded by Group Homes (flop houses) for rehab of druggies plus section 8 rentals with more and more of the Oakland crowd. The older motels on 101 are drug dens with subsidized rentals via the “Welfare Dept” (Poverty Pimps). Eureka city schools have lost 30 to 40% of their students to charter schools and relocations to other areas where there is some work. They have closed 5 elementary schools and 2 Jr high schools...”


30 posted on 02/11/2011 8:16:55 AM PST by Grampa Dave (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS DESTROYING AMERICA-LOOK AT WHAT IT DID TO THE WHITE HOUSE!)
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