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Ohio Congress members seek Lake Erie high speed rail corridor
Plain Dealer ^ | 2/11/11 | Sabrina Eaton

Posted on 02/11/2011 3:08:04 PM PST by Pontiac

Ohio may yet get on track with President Obama's newly announced $53 billion initiative to build a nationwide high speed rail network.

A bipartisan group of northern Ohio Congress members met Thursday with Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood to discuss building a high speed rail line along Lake Erie that would link Cleveland with Chicago, Detroit, Toledo and Buffalo, and also include routes to Youngstown and Pittsburgh. Building a line along the lake is a top tier part of Obama's rail program.

Bainbridge Township GOP Rep. Steve LaTourette said he plans to work with Republicans and Democrats from Ohio, New York, Pennsylvania, Indiana, Illinois and Michigan "to see if there's a way we can help restore some of what the President's vision is on high speed rail in our part of the world."

"If we can go to him with a proposal that doesn't cripple Ohio's general fund and puts people to work and moves us into the 21st century when it comes to passenger rail, I'm sure he'll listen to us," LaTourette said of Kasich.

(Excerpt) Read more at cleveland.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio
KEYWORDS: johnkasich; marcykaptur; stevelatourette; timryan
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Once again LaTourette proves that he is a big spending RINO. The other congress critters are Dims.

Gov. Kasich rejected already $400 million in federal funds to build a different train line but does not reject other rail projects out of hand.

We have a lot work ahead of us to turn this government away from free spending insanity.

1 posted on 02/11/2011 3:08:09 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Las Vegas Dave

Ohio and North East Ohio Ping


2 posted on 02/11/2011 3:09:24 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

This is being seen as a much more palatable strategy than getting government off the back of small business so they can create jobs in the area. People can just be wisked through the area so fast on a high speed train that no one really pays attention to it any more. Of course, they don’t think anyone will actually ride the train, in which case they hope to turn it into a government owned theme park called “The Ghost Train”.


3 posted on 02/11/2011 3:11:26 PM PST by PieterCasparzen (Huguenot)
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To: Pontiac

Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Buffalo....people would LOVE to leave those cities at the highest speed possible!


4 posted on 02/11/2011 3:15:26 PM PST by traditional1 ("Don't gotsta worry 'bout no mo'gage, don't gotsta worry 'bout no gas; Obama gonna take care o' me!)
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To: traditional1

LOL

Yeah I did that back in the late 70s when boy-wonder Kucinich took Cleveland into default.


5 posted on 02/11/2011 3:19:28 PM PST by nascarnation
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To: Pontiac

Cleveland, Detroit, Toledo, Buffalo....

A high speed boondoggle from, through, and to nowhere.

Agenda 21 light ?


6 posted on 02/11/2011 3:19:53 PM PST by maine yankee
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To: Pontiac

These People just won't learn, if the People wanted it, there would be company doing it!!!!!!!!!!

7 posted on 02/11/2011 3:24:06 PM PST by KC_Lion (America is on the Brink of War with its self, and no one seams to notice or care)
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To: Pontiac

Cities that have taxed, unionized, outforced business, lost HALF their population, doubled their welfare, illegals....want the rest of us to pay for a choo-choo so that gov paper-shufflers and a few urban metosexual hipsters can pretend they are in Deutschland.


8 posted on 02/11/2011 3:33:57 PM PST by Leisler (Our debts are someone's profit. Follow the money, the vig.....)
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To: Pontiac

Ohio’s “high speed “rail was to be 79 MPH...

Meaning I can get to cleveland FASTER by car...

Boondoggle.


9 posted on 02/11/2011 3:36:48 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: Pontiac

There is 53 billion of the 100 billion., which one of those clowns happens to be Willie Green?????


10 posted on 02/11/2011 3:39:24 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: PieterCasparzen; traditional1; maine yankee; KC_Lion; North Coast Conservative
What they don’t mention is that true high speed rail would require entirely new rail lines.

Existing rail lines besides having feight traffic can only support speeds of about 70 miles per hour. In most cities the speed is limited by law to 35 mph by law.

$53 billion dollars would only be seed money for the proposed project.

Considering the land that would have to be purchased and the road bed construction cost (union of course) ten times that amount or more is likely.

11 posted on 02/11/2011 3:39:51 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

Waste.


12 posted on 02/11/2011 3:40:14 PM PST by EBH ( Whether you eat your bread or see it vanish into a looter's stomach, is an absolute.)
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To: traditional1

They already have a catchy name, “The Rust Belt Express”.


13 posted on 02/11/2011 3:42:37 PM PST by org.whodat
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To: traditional1
"people would LOVE to leave those cities at the highest speed possible!

LOL!
14 posted on 02/11/2011 3:43:33 PM PST by indthkr
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To: Crim

Thanks,,,, but I’ll stick to my car. I can stop when I want to, grab a burger if I want, blast Blues on my stereo if I want to,,,, and get there just as fast, and have my own car to get around in. A total boondogle. A waste that very few people will use. And that we’ll have to subsidize forever! No,,, thank you!


15 posted on 02/11/2011 3:44:29 PM PST by Dr. Bogus Pachysandra ( Ya can't pick up a turd by the clean end!)
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To: Pontiac

I don’t understand the fixation with high speed rails for America. We a decentralized country with suburbs often as far as 60 miles from urban centers. We are well served by cars for our local travel and planes for our long-distance travel. What would we gain with high speed rails if we have to take a car or a plane to the rail station?


16 posted on 02/11/2011 3:48:34 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: EBH
Waste.

Exactly

If you read the article you will find Ryan is working to get a study done on prospective routes.

High speed rail has had so many studies done on high speed rail since the 70’s there should be more than enough paper printed about it to solve the energy crisis if they were to burn the studies to produce power and considering that there is a new study every couple of years it should qualify for renewable resources grants.

17 posted on 02/11/2011 3:49:21 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac
Ohio may yet get on track with President Obama's newly announced $53 billion initiative to build a nationwide high speed rail network.

Of course. Il Douche gotta have *trains* if he's gonna make them run on time...

18 posted on 02/11/2011 3:52:10 PM PST by Hardraade (I want gigaton warheads now!!)
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To: maine yankee

They had such a train back in the ‘50s. Such lost its clientele to the airlines, just as Ocean liners did. The ones is Germany, which I have ridden, do not make money. I love passenger trains, but they are not economical.


19 posted on 02/11/2011 3:52:29 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: NRG1973

The history of passenger rail since the 1950’s is unalloyed failure. Passenger rail in the United States after the advent of the personal car and the interstate highway system has proved to be unprofitable. The coming of inexpensive airline travel was the stake through the heart.


20 posted on 02/11/2011 3:52:35 PM PST by Pontiac
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To: Pontiac

That rail line will be like all other rail lines and roads along Lake Erie. Every spring it will require a huge amount of maintenance and/or a severe cut in speed because of the instability of the rail bed.


21 posted on 02/11/2011 3:55:29 PM PST by MIchaelTArchangel (Obama makes me miss Jimmah Cahtah!)
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To: Pontiac
Absolutely correct!!! One other thing worth considering is that our population growth is practically nil (except for ~1% immigrants). So, its not like we are going to need to transport a growing population.

If the politicians feel a need for "shovel ready" projects, they can rebuild our roads and airports...we will always need them.

22 posted on 02/11/2011 3:57:59 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: Pontiac

LOL. If the people of Ohio think that a high-speed rail line is good idea, more power to them. However, don’t make me, here in Texas, pay for it unless you can show it is either in the national interest or will pay for itself - which can NEVER be done with schemes like that.

So if those guys REALLY want it, they can increase their income tax by 40% and pay for it themselves. I have no issue with that here in Texas.


23 posted on 02/11/2011 3:58:54 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: Pontiac
There is now a train that runs from NYC to Atlantic City. I believe it's an express train, or there might just be some express trains on the schedule.

In any event, I could get a bus leaving from someone in my area (or drive myself, if I had to) and get there in about two hours.

To get there by train? An hour or so subway ride to get to the Penn Station and another 3 hours by rail.

The big deal about this "express" train was that you no longer had to switch trains in Philadelphia. What they don't tell you is YOU STILL HAVE TO GO THROUGH PHILADELPHIA!

IOW, the train isn't going where I need it to go!

24 posted on 02/11/2011 4:01:44 PM PST by Tanniker Smith (I didn't know she was a liberal when I married her.)
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To: BobL
LOL. If the people of Ohio think that a high-speed rail line is good idea, more power to them. However, don’t make me, here in Texas, pay for it unless you can show it is either in the national interest or will pay for itself - which can NEVER be done with schemes like that.

Good point!!! With reapportionment, Ohio has lost 4 electoral votes (and the population that goes with it) while Texas has gained 4 electoral votes. If we are going to be spending $$$ for transportaion infrastucture maybe we should do so in Texas. :)

25 posted on 02/11/2011 4:02:24 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: Tanniker Smith

You go through Philadelphia because the Jersey Central line from Jersey City to Atlantic City was ripped out during the Depression.


26 posted on 02/11/2011 4:04:12 PM PST by Publius
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To: Tanniker Smith
There is now a train that runs from NYC to Atlantic City. I believe it's an express train, or there might just be some express trains on the schedule.

In any event, I could get a bus leaving from someone in my area (or drive myself, if I had to) and get there in about two hours.

To get there by train? An hour or so subway ride to get to the Penn Station and another 3 hours by rail.

Don't forget to arrive at Penn Station about an hour-and-a-half early so that Big Sis's unionized TSA can pat you down.

27 posted on 02/11/2011 4:05:12 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: NRG1973

Well, it would make sense in the east coast, except that it is so built up that getting right-of-way for the rails would be a nightmare. The Germans have always had government owned railways, but even with the increasing cost of driving by car, the proportion of people traveling by rail has continuously gone down.


28 posted on 02/11/2011 4:06:39 PM PST by RobbyS (Pray with the suffering souls.)
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To: NRG1973

The TSA does not pat down train riders — yet.


29 posted on 02/11/2011 4:08:49 PM PST by Publius
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To: NRG1973

And dont forget...when the Govt owns the means of transport..the govt can shut it down in a heartbeat.


30 posted on 02/11/2011 4:08:55 PM PST by Crim (The Obama Doctrine : A doctrine based on complete ignorance,applied with extreme incompetence..)
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To: maine yankee

Maybe LaTourette should represent Gary, IN.


31 posted on 02/11/2011 4:09:27 PM PST by Mason
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To: Publius
The TSA does not pat down train riders — yet.

Think of all the union jobs it would create if they did pat down train riders.

32 posted on 02/11/2011 4:10:17 PM PST by NRG1973
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To: Pontiac

The gangbangers train. Bums first, then hos and fat socialist mayors to the rear. ALL ABOARD! The road to perdition is straightaway.


33 posted on 02/11/2011 4:12:51 PM PST by sergeantdave (The democrat party is a seditious organization and must be outlawed)
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To: Pontiac

Why do they call it “high speed” when it’s averaging 30mph, given all of the stops?


34 posted on 02/11/2011 4:22:45 PM PST by G Larry
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To: KC_Lion
The first transcontinental railroad counted on government funding. We also count on it for roads. That is to say, if the idea is feasible in terms of productivity, yet of a larger scale than typical for private industry . . . there may be a place for it.

Just sayin’. I'd rather see taxpayer dime go toward something like this (if only it can be done with strict accountability), than for all the freaking socialist, union, welfare BS we've grown accustomed to supporting. What kills me is all the waste and corruption connected with this kind of spending. We could get a better railroad at half the price of it weren't for government involvement, regulations, etc.

35 posted on 02/11/2011 4:27:07 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Pontiac; ADemocratNoMore; Akron Al; arbee4bush; agrace; Badeye; Bikers4Bush; BlindedByTruth; ...

Ohio Pings!

To be added to the Ohio Ping List,
please freepmail LasVegasDave.

36 posted on 02/11/2011 4:30:36 PM PST by Las Vegas Dave ("Thou shalt not speak ill of any fellow Republican." Ronald Reagan)
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To: Pontiac
We oughta be at the forefront on this kind of thing. A subsurface transportation system that gets one from one coast to another in an hour. NMST (Nuclear Magnetic Subterranean Transportation). The kids’ll do it. Just watch.
37 posted on 02/11/2011 4:31:49 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Pontiac

What we are spending in space we ought to be spending going into the ground. It’s naturally warm and cozy down there, at least to some degree. There’s earl down there, too!


38 posted on 02/11/2011 4:35:39 PM PST by Fester Chugabrew
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To: Pontiac
Did you know that what is called “high speed” for trains now in the USA is about 10mph slower than what was called high speed for trains in the 19th century?
39 posted on 02/11/2011 4:38:35 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Pontiac
Did you know that what is called “high speed” for trains now in the USA is about 10mph slower than what was called high speed for trains in the 19th century?
40 posted on 02/11/2011 4:38:45 PM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President. He's shovel ready!)
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To: Tanniker Smith
When I drive from Albany NY to Atlantic City (NON STOP), 280 miles, I make it in four hours, door to door. No buses, no trains and, thus far, no tickets.

The high speed rail is not about speed or energy savings but about restricting freedom of choice in travel. Remember those movies where the Gestapo agents go down the train compartments asking for your papers?

41 posted on 02/11/2011 4:40:30 PM PST by BilLies (no)
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To: Pontiac

Kasich realizes that if this was such a great investment then private business would be all over it.


42 posted on 02/11/2011 4:52:08 PM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: RobbyS

Just think of the practical if this marvelous train existed.

I’d have to get up at five, get ready and drive to the terminal to find a parking space and be ready to board the train by 6am. If I’m late, tuff shiite. Wait another 4 hours or whatever.

The train, to achieve high speed, can’t stop at every wide space on the road. Has to bypass most cities to gain sufficient speed to be efficient, then slows and stops at major depots to pick up/discharge passengers who have to go through the same meet it or loose it scenario.

Then I arrive and take a taxi, bus, rental car with long lines, to get to my final destination.

How many passengers will do this day after day, to pay the cost of this marvel?

You know the answer, and our dumb-assed Reps need to know it, too.

I’d rather drive and have the convenience of doing it my way.


43 posted on 02/11/2011 5:12:08 PM PST by plangent
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To: Pontiac

When ever they talk about high speed rails in other countries, one should remind the speaker of the lack of property rights in those countries.
China never had to worry about ‘purchasing’ the land they needed for railways.


44 posted on 02/11/2011 5:22:56 PM PST by griswold3 (We defend conservatism by our very way of life.)
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To: Pontiac

NOpe not happening! Ohio does not nor can afford ths.Kasich already said no to the high speed railroad.


45 posted on 02/11/2011 5:23:59 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: NRG1973

you used the key term ‘decentralized’. So much harder to socialize or ‘centralize’ a population.


46 posted on 02/11/2011 5:24:53 PM PST by griswold3 (We defend conservatism by our very way of life.)
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To: Crim

The 3C was going to hit 79MPH but average about 40MPH.

The basic case against the 3C line: that the trains will be relatively slow (averaging 39 miles an hour, when you figure in stops)


47 posted on 02/11/2011 5:51:42 PM PST by Recon Dad ( Zero point two... Fat, drunk and stupid is no way to go through life, son)
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To: Pontiac
They are pushing that crap here too. A Detroit to Ann Arbor line or Detroit to Pontiac line is a favorite among the chattering classes. I'm also hearing Ann Arbor to Howell of all places too.

It's a waste of money, all with taxes of course. I also would rather not see Detroit with easy rail access to Ann Arbor either.

48 posted on 02/11/2011 5:56:36 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: sergeantdave
The gangbangers train.

I just love the idea of the Detroit to Ann Arbor train. Maybe it'll stop in Inkster and Ypsi on the way to add to the fun.

49 posted on 02/11/2011 6:02:44 PM PST by Darren McCarty (We should lead ourselves instead of looking for leaders)
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To: Pontiac

High speed rail seems like a prime terrorist target to me. Are they going to spend the money to watch every mile of track to make sure no one is messing with the rails? If so, it becomes even MORE cost inefficiant than it would normally be. Any Repub who associates him/herself with this crap ought to be primaried.


50 posted on 02/11/2011 6:03:09 PM PST by Ronald_Magnus
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