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A city defined (Detroit can be saved by Smart Growth)
Boston Globe ^ | 2/12/2011 | Renée Loth

Posted on 02/11/2011 9:28:43 PM PST by wheresmyusa

AMID THE animated rodents, smushed test-babies, snack-food perversions, and crude humor of Sunday’s Super Bowl ads was a powerful, two-minute homage to Detroit, America’s most abject city. Over a pulsating soundtrack of Eminem’s “Lose Yourself,’’ viewers were treated to panning shots of some of Detroit’s lovingly restored landmarks from the days when the auto industry made it the richest city in the United States. Today it is the poorest, with a 36 percent poverty rate.

Far from avoiding its grim, rust belt image, the ad — ostensibly to introduce a new Chrysler luxury sedan — celebrated the city’s guts-and-grit industrial base, its smokestacks, its hard times. “It’s the hottest fires that make the hardest steel,’’ the narrator intoned.

It was a goosebump moment for sure. But it will take more than an appeal to regional pride to save Detroit, home to 80,000 abandoned buildings and an unemployment rate of 29 percent. It will take a national urban policy the likes of which the United States hasn’t seen for 40 years.

Detroit is only the starkest symptom of decades of wholesale disinvestment in the nation’s older urban centers. The same conditions obtain on a smaller scale from Trenton to Buffalo to Lawrence. “If you don’t have a platform of national policy you’re really sailing against the wind," said Bruce Katz, vice president and director of the Metropolitan Policy program at the Brookings Institution.

But Katz would broaden the lens to include a new economic plan for the whole nation. For too long, he says, America’s economic policy has focused on consumption, home ownership, and the financial industry.

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; US: Michigan
KEYWORDS: agenda21; detroit; national; nationalpolicy; platform; policy; smartgrowth
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1 posted on 02/11/2011 9:28:51 PM PST by wheresmyusa
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To: wheresmyusa

Wouldn’t “Smart Contraction” be more accurate?


2 posted on 02/11/2011 9:30:16 PM PST by Hillarys Gate Cult
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To: wheresmyusa

The only thing that can bring Detroit back is liberty. I’m not holding my breath.


3 posted on 02/11/2011 9:31:34 PM PST by Patrick1 ("The problem with Internet quotations is that many are not genuine." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: wheresmyusa
Yeah. It is a city on the cusp.


4 posted on 02/11/2011 9:32:07 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Cusp of collapse.


5 posted on 02/11/2011 9:32:40 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Army Air Corps
Tears rolling out my eyes laughing.


6 posted on 02/11/2011 9:34:18 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Detroit passed the tipping point back in the Sixties. It’s too late to do anything but plow it back into the farmland from which it emerged a century ago.


7 posted on 02/11/2011 9:35:10 PM PST by Publius
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To: wheresmyusa
" It will take a national urban policy the likes of which the United States hasn’t seen for 40 years. "

Uh, Detroit is the RESULT of that policy.

8 posted on 02/11/2011 9:35:31 PM PST by endthematrix (The Name of the Game is BAILOUT.)
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To: wheresmyusa

I guess i should have added a barf warning or /sarc or something, this is a terrible joke.


9 posted on 02/11/2011 9:35:37 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: Lazlo in PA

That is just sad. You can tell that those houses were nice places in their prime.


10 posted on 02/11/2011 9:35:59 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Publius

It’s called White Flight.


11 posted on 02/11/2011 9:36:32 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SWAMPSNIPER; Domestic Church; rightly_dividing; combat_boots; bronxville; cripplecreek; Gipper08; ..

Ping.


12 posted on 02/11/2011 9:36:59 PM PST by wheresmyusa (FTUN)
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To: wheresmyusa
t was a goosebump moment for sure.

It didn't give me goosebumps. Instead my inclination was to hurl when the spot came on.

RIGHT TO WORK must be the law. Unite against unions! Stand for liberty and not big labor's tyranny!
13 posted on 02/11/2011 9:37:04 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

True. I was just being polite.


14 posted on 02/11/2011 9:37:30 PM PST by Publius
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To: wheresmyusa

smart growth=socialism


15 posted on 02/11/2011 9:37:54 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
It’s called White Flight.

Yes, that's absolutely right. Hmmm...I wonder what caused the good, productive people to flee? Hmmm....dare we say it even here on FR?

16 posted on 02/11/2011 9:39:11 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Nobody wants to admit that when technology allowed companies to operate from less urban areas (where they wouldn’t have to house, feed, and “educate” a large population of our permanent underclass with tax revenues), then the city model was doomed. Terms like “city cooling centers” (where ghetto people are supposed to go when it gets hot in the summer) duidn’t even exist ten years ago; now Nanny State will monitor your body temperature in addition to providing you with housing, food, etc.

As long as we don’t have these discussions, our cities will continue to rot while our government pretends they aren’t, and “normal” people will be indifferent while pretending to care.


17 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:00 PM PST by kearnyirish2
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To: wheresmyusa

Is this guy serious?

Or is this a joke?

Socialism is why Detroit is a hellhole.

More Socialism will make it WORST, not better...


18 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:17 PM PST by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Big government plus unionism equal Detroit. I defy any
liberal to rebut this.


19 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:22 PM PST by fhayek
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To: Army Air Corps
Nice does not describe it. If these places were anywhere other than a Socialist onclave, they would be million dollar properties.


20 posted on 02/11/2011 9:40:24 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Publius

Here is a whole website of sadness. I spent hours looking through this fun explorers site seeing the decay of one of our industrial hubs. It’s a legitimate ghost town.

http://detroiturbex.com/index.html


21 posted on 02/11/2011 9:44:22 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: GeronL

Green and sustainable?


22 posted on 02/11/2011 9:44:32 PM PST by MileHi ( "It's coming down to patriots vs the politicians." - ovrtaxt)
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To: Lazlo in PA; All
Dallas TEXAS (Right to work state):

Detroit MICHIGAN (Union thug state):


23 posted on 02/11/2011 9:46:09 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

What a flippin’ waste. The fruits of socialism (a system based on little more than envy).


24 posted on 02/11/2011 9:46:39 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: MileHi

subsidized by the rest of America too


25 posted on 02/11/2011 9:48:07 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: re_nortex; All
Detroit MICHIGAN (Union thug state):


26 posted on 02/11/2011 9:49:36 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Exactly. I grew up in Detroit and I loved their unique architectural style. It is just too too sad to see what has become of the place.


27 posted on 02/11/2011 9:50:21 PM PST by MarMema
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To: re_nortex

Remove the skyscrapers from that picture and it could be confused with the slums of Bangladesh.


28 posted on 02/11/2011 9:51:17 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: re_nortex
I have always loved Dallas.


29 posted on 02/11/2011 9:51:26 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

yep, and that’s what my parents did. Thank God. But I still have a soft spot for the place where I had a terrific childhood.


30 posted on 02/11/2011 9:51:26 PM PST by MarMema
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To: wheresmyusa

Notice how the snappy little word “Smart” seems to accompany so many fraudulent programs of the Left.


31 posted on 02/11/2011 9:52:01 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: wheresmyusa

Good idea. Redistribute reparations for Detroit to victims of earlier redistribution.


32 posted on 02/11/2011 9:53:14 PM PST by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Do a Google search on “smart growth.” Note how many of the hits are government agencies. Including the EPA, of course.

If you have questions about Smart Growth, the Wikipedia article in the Google list is a pretty good source.

Smart Growth is a socialist’s dream come true. It incorporates compact neighborhoods (another term for people living on top of one another; kiss the suburbs goodbye), public transportation, sustainable development, climate protection, environmental protection, etc. Saul Alinksy is sitting up and paying attention!

Smart Growth has a lose connection to Agenda 21.

I lived in the city and suburbs all my life. When I retired I made the big change to rural life. Seven or so years into it, I say FU Smart Growth!


33 posted on 02/11/2011 9:54:02 PM PST by upchuck (When excerpting please use the entire 300 words we are allowed. No more one or two sentence posts!)
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To: MarMema
Exactly. I grew up in Detroit and I loved their unique architectural style. It is just too too sad to see what has become of the place.

As long ago as 1979 when business took me to Detroit (when there was still business to be done there), I was appalled to find that a Wendy's restaurant had the counter staff working behind bulletproof glass. You placed your order and it was delivered via a lazy susan-type of arrangement. That's over 30 years ago and I can only imagine how this Socialist cesspool has gotten worse since then.

Of course Michael Moore and his ilk will be quick to defend Detroit, labor unions and demonRATS.

34 posted on 02/11/2011 9:55:10 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: MarMema

I assume you were a Gross Point person.


35 posted on 02/11/2011 9:55:34 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I have always loved Dallas.

It certainly isn't perfect here (too many Messkins in my view) but there is a strong, unapologetic Conservatism that pervades the region. The business of Texas is business and we're not ashamed of that stance. Folks are glad to make money here and have no sense of guilt about doing so.

Labor unions are weak in Texas (as they should be, if not non-existent).

Our school textbooks are pro-Constitution and largely devoid of the taint of liberalism.

Republicans are in control of the state and I hope they'll make sure our 4 new districts are apportioned to be GOP by any means necessary.

36 posted on 02/11/2011 10:03:43 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: wheresmyusa

If the money and effort spent trying to resuscitate Detroit were to be spent on a vibrant city, where would the bigger gain come? I vote for Tulsa or Keokuk vs. Detroit.


37 posted on 02/11/2011 10:07:52 PM PST by Rembrandt (.. AND the donkey you rode in on.)
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To: wheresmyusa

Preposterous, laughable democrat party propaganda from the NY Times owned Boston Globe:

“Progressive” BS party line from people without the slightest clue (or desire) to create a single job.


38 posted on 02/11/2011 10:09:12 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: steelyourfaith

“Smart Growth” ping.


39 posted on 02/11/2011 10:10:23 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: re_nortex
Do not apologize to me my FRiend. I live on the outskirts of Allentown PA. The home of industrial rot. I would love to live down your way. Snow sucks. Unemployment and low housing prices are even worse.


40 posted on 02/11/2011 10:12:10 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: wheresmyusa

“But Katz would broaden the lens to include a new economic plan for the whole nation. For too long, he says, America’s economic policy has focused on consumption, home ownership, and the financial industry.”

Wow. God forbid we have food, a home or a job.

It sends a shiver down my terrified spine that these Obama Regime monsters are in power.


41 posted on 02/11/2011 10:13:39 PM PST by FormerACLUmember (Character is defined by how we treat those who society says have no value.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Nope. Farmington and Livonia. And before that Lincoln Park.


42 posted on 02/11/2011 10:14:01 PM PST by MarMema
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To: Army Air Corps
Even back in 1963, Bobby Bare sized up the despair in Detroit City:

By day, I make the cars,
by night I make the bars.

43 posted on 02/11/2011 10:20:24 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

LOL! I love how libs when they have no idea how to fix anything, usually by getting the hell out of the way, they say we need to do it “smarter.”

Detroit was a textbook example (not the propaganda textbooks in public schools) - on how liberalism, unions and corruption destroy everything like the plague.


44 posted on 02/11/2011 10:20:26 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: wheresmyusa
Smart Growth is a code term for socialist urban development. The socialists aim is to confine citizens to dense cities relying on mass transportation to move around. They have enacted programs nationwide where they screw up the roads with roundabouts, bumpouts, add crooks to straight roads, speed bumps, bicycle lanes and anything else that frustrates car drivers.

Smart Growth is antithetical to human nature where most would prefer to live in a suburban or country setting. Be well aware your tax money is being spent to drag you into the cities.

45 posted on 02/11/2011 10:22:06 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: wheresmyusa
Smart Growth is a code term for socialist urban development. The socialists aim is to confine citizens to dense cities relying on mass transportation to move around. They have enacted programs nationwide where they screw up the roads with roundabouts, bumpouts, add crooks to straight roads, speed bumps, bicycle lanes and anything else that frustrates car drivers.

Smart Growth is antithetical to human nature where most would prefer to live in a suburban or country setting. Be well aware your tax money is being spent to drag you into the cities.

46 posted on 02/11/2011 10:22:11 PM PST by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: re_nortex
As long ago as 1979 when business took me to Detroit (when there was still business to be done there), I was appalled to find that a Wendy's restaurant had the counter staff working behind bulletproof glass. You placed your order and it was delivered via a lazy susan-type of arrangement. That's over 30 years ago and I can only imagine how this Socialist cesspool has gotten worse since then.

I went to Detroit on business in the mid 1980s.

The hotel had free newspapers, and on the front page was a story about a well-know local heroin dealer who had bee found dead. On page one, the story said that speculation was that the cause of his death was switching from selling "Johnny Sunshine" brand heroin, to "Whipcracker" brand.

The whole concept of this being front-page news was alien to my thought process. But, the revelation that heroin was sold under brand names in Detroit convinced me that the entire city was gone beyond any hope of recovery.

47 posted on 02/11/2011 10:28:14 PM PST by CurlyDave
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To: Lazlo in PA

Have you watched any of the videos on You Tube? Falluhja (sp?) in Iraq probably is nicer than Detroit or Camden, NJ.


48 posted on 02/11/2011 10:38:36 PM PST by Frantzie (HD TV - Total Brain-washing now in High Def. 3-D Coming soon)
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To: MarMema
As a Station Wagon guy, Livonia is the holy land. All GM and a couple Detroit companies had the furniture makers in that town make the wood part and later the steel part of wagons for sale. I love wagans,


49 posted on 02/11/2011 10:38:36 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
Do not apologize to me my FRiend. I live on the outskirts of Allentown PA. The home of industrial rot. I would love to live down your way. Snow sucks. Unemployment and low housing prices are even worse.

My tale has been told in other posts but I'll share it here again since this thread concerning Detroit seems appropriate.

I'm from Pittsburgh -- born and raised there. Several decades ago, I finally got fed up with the entrenched DemonRAT machine controlling Allegheny County and the city (Connie Scully, David Lawrence, Joe Barr and Pete Flaherty were the RAT mayors during my time there).

Likewise, although I'm proud of getting a union decertified at my workplace, I was just getting too old for the fight against union thugs. I also grew to despise the anti-capitalist, anti-business attitudes that pervades much of the working class in western Pennsylvania. They still blame the collapse of the steel industry on the "big shots" instead of realizing that big labor and exorbitant wages and benefits made it uncompetitive.

I actually wrote a Fortran program years ago to find the place in the lower 48 that would most appeal to me. After sifting through the considerable data on the Hollerith cards, the ancient IBM/1130 indicated that the Dallas, Texas area would be best for me. It's pretty good here and I have no desire whatsoever to return to Pennsylvania for more than a quick visit.

In fact, last summer was my first time back in some 25 years as part of a vacation that included Western Pennsylvania on the itinerary. I was struck by just how dreary Pittsburgh was, the state of the worn-out housing stock (aside from some nice areas in Cranberry) and the terrible shape of the pothole-filled roads. The only thing I found appealing after living here in Texas for so long is that virtually no one speaks Spanish. It was a nice change to go into an Eat 'n Park and not hear a word of that jibberish by either the waitstaff or the customers.

50 posted on 02/11/2011 10:39:16 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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