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ERCOT urges Texans to cut electricity use
Texas Record News ^ | 2/8/2011 | timesrecordnews.com

Posted on 02/12/2011 10:01:48 AM PST by dragnet2

WICHITA FALLS — The electric grid operator for Texas is urging consumers and businesses are encouraged to reduce their electricity use during peak demand hours over the next few days from 6 – 9 a.m. and 4 – 8 p.m. to help reduce the risk of electricity emergencies or the need for rotating outages.

“The National Weather Service is anticipating severe cold weather statewide this week, as another arctic air mass is expected to reach deep into Texas, dropping temperatures back into the teens and twenties,” said Trip Doggett, CEO of the Electric Reliability Council of Texas.

"In anticipation of this severe cold weather, ERCOT will procure additional generation capacity for real-time operations to help maintain reliable delivery of power during this extreme weather event over the next few days,” he said in a news release.


TOPICS: Front Page News; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: blackout; blackouts; electricity; energy; ercot; puc; texas; texaspuc; winter
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1 posted on 02/12/2011 10:01:50 AM PST by dragnet2
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To: dragnet2

How much does it cost to power that huge ball?


2 posted on 02/12/2011 10:03:58 AM PST by MNDude
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They’re probably gearing everyone up for the big grid shut downs this coming summer...


3 posted on 02/12/2011 10:05:35 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: MNDude

Hopefully, they’ll at least warn the hospitals this time.


4 posted on 02/12/2011 10:07:02 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Unlike France which didn’t a few years ago and 20,000 seniors died because of heat related issues.


5 posted on 02/12/2011 10:08:30 AM PST by taildragger ((Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: dragnet2

Screw ERCOT and the PUC

We need to get rid of ERCOT and the PUC and then let the free market distribute energy. While this crisis during the icestorm would have been much worse had we been fully regulated (we would have had long blackouts, not just brownouts) ERCOT really screwed the pooch on this one and gave the uneducated liberals a talking point on how deregulation failed, even though we’re not truly deregulated.


6 posted on 02/12/2011 10:09:43 AM PST by TXConservative25
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To: TXConservative25
Screw ERCOT and the PUC We need to get rid of ERCOT and the PUC and then let the free market distribute energy. While this crisis during the icestorm would have been much worse had we been fully regulated (we would have had long blackouts, not just brownouts) ERCOT really screwed the pooch on this one and gave the uneducated liberals a talking point on how deregulation failed, even though we’re not truly deregulated.

Please explain how ERCOT screwed the pooch on this one.

7 posted on 02/12/2011 10:12:22 AM PST by SeeSac
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To: dragnet2

How much wind generation was lost due to the ice storms? That is a killer on ERCOT now. Those lignite/coal fired plants TxU was going to build are being missed now......


8 posted on 02/12/2011 10:17:38 AM PST by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: TXConservative25
Pretty sad....

In just 20 short years, we've watched our borders turn into a violent lawless free for all, our standard of living, our infrastructure and economy nose dive into the ground, our foreign policies and free trade completely fail and a street level Communist from Chicago is now enjoying a cigarette and having a belly laugh up in the White House...

wow....

9 posted on 02/12/2011 10:20:27 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
It's the same old scam that worked so well way back in the ‘70’s, cry scare’city, then you can gouge up the price.

During the "70's oil "crisis" tankers ridin' low in the water were waiting offshore just out of sight.

Ask any old pilot who was flying low over the sea back then.

If you were a criminal that had perfected a criminal activity & you never got caught, why would you stop?

10 posted on 02/12/2011 10:21:41 AM PST by de.rm ('Most people never believe anything you tell them unless it isn't true."-Groucho Marx)
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To: TXConservative25

“gave the uneducated liberals a talking point on how deregulation failed, even though we’re not truly deregulated.”

I think that conservatives should use the blackouts as a lesson about the dangers of green energy, control of energy production by unaccountable individuals (environmentalists and politicians). The left somehow forced ERCOT to drop investments in new coal power plants and switch to wind power and far flung transmission lines.


11 posted on 02/12/2011 10:22:09 AM PST by businessprofessor
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To: TXConservative25

We are on “Day-Ahead pricing”, a slight shift to the “Real-Time pricing” you’ve heard about.

Our family has learned to shift usage to cheaper times, and throughout the year, our bills are always cheaper. We run the air conditioner all night, then minimize it until prices reduce.

http://www.powersmartpricing.com


12 posted on 02/12/2011 10:22:29 AM PST by ConservativeMind ("Humane" = "Don't pen up pets or eat meat, but allow infanticide, abortion, and euthanasia.")
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To: dragnet2

Pretty sad....
In just 20 short years, we’ve watched our borders turn into a violent lawless free for all, our standard of living, our infrastructure and economy nose dive into the ground, our foreign policies and free trade completely fail and a street level Communist from Chicago is now enjoying a cigarette and having a belly laugh up in the White House...

wow....


Spot on. Damn!


13 posted on 02/12/2011 10:28:50 AM PST by unkus
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To: de.rm
I tend to agree...Most of this is a scam, simply to get more of your money...

Many companies and the government has perfected the art of ripping people off.

The government has made it into a science and mastered it.

14 posted on 02/12/2011 10:29:16 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: SeeSac

One thing I’m confused by....in the summer Texas sells electricity to California and other states. Why can’t they buy it from them during these winter problems? Also have they released numbers re the amount of electricity used? I would seem difficult to use more at 15 degrees in Feb than 110 in August......with every AC compressor in the state running hard.


15 posted on 02/12/2011 10:32:05 AM PST by veritas3
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To: dragnet2

Thereby charging more for less.


16 posted on 02/12/2011 10:36:07 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: ReverendJames
Thereby charging more for less.

Sounds like your describing the new American work place:

"Work full time at part time wages"

17 posted on 02/12/2011 10:41:10 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: veritas3

***One thing I’m confused by....in the summer Texas sells electricity to California and other states. Why can’t they buy it from them during these winter problems? ****

Here is the problem ERCOT is a power pool strictly withing TEXAS. If it crossed state lines with connections to other power pools the the US Government could regulate it. ERCOT has been designed so as NOT to be able to connect to outside sources, except Mexico.

Some other companies within Texas are not connected to ERCOT and do have connections to outside state sources for power.


18 posted on 02/12/2011 10:43:04 AM PST by Ruy Dias de Bivar (I visited GEN TOMMY FRANKS Military Museum in HOBART, OKLAHOMA! Well worth it!)
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To: ReverendJames

They just need to weather proof some of those power plants & add more natural gas generation power plants that can be on standby. Of course the EPA will need to step aside for a little bit they are really causing a lot of pain with the green house gases, they have us going out and getting the BTU rating on stoves at our offices...lol


19 posted on 02/12/2011 10:45:35 AM PST by wild74
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To: dragnet2

Amen! I work for one and thankfully for the patients in surgery and on life support the back up system performed flawlessly.

I don’t know what they are talking about with this new front. The Weather Channel is forecasting temperatures in the 60’s-70’s for central Texas over the next ten days. Maybe the Panhandle?


20 posted on 02/12/2011 10:46:39 AM PST by McLynnan
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To: dragnet2
Some background info. This is not a surprise.
Check out the last paragraph on the second quote (bottom of post).

Obama and Coal: Obama Admits His Policies Will “Bankrupt” Coal Industry

Obama on Coal Power:

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

Transcript of audio of an Obama interview with the SF Chronicle:

"Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

Obama Energy Secretary Promises "Massive" Coal Plant Closures

"Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu has launched the next phase of the White House’s publicly stated agenda to bankrupt the coal industry via EPA regulations after announcing the prospect of “massive” coal plant closures even as Texas and other states suffer rolling blackouts as a result of maxed-out power plants that cannot cope with demand.

The Obama administration’s strict enforcement of draconian EPA regulations has led to new clean-burning coal-fired plants being mothballed and other existing ones being shut down, which has in turn led to Texas and other states becoming energy-dependent, leading to shortages and blackouts exacerbated by freezing temperatures."


21 posted on 02/12/2011 10:48:24 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: dragnet2
This article, 4 days ago, urged us to cut our usuage for the next few days.
22 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:16 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: dragnet2

When I bought my all electric house in the early 80’s we were being promised low electric prices in the future from cheap nuclear power. Of course, only one nuclear power plant managed to get built - way late and over budget.

Texas produces a lot of wind energy, but you’re probably not going to want to operate those things during an ice storm.


23 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:49 AM PST by smokingfrog ( BORN free - taxed to DEATH (and beyond) ...)
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To: smokingfrog
When I bought my all electric house in the early 80’s we were being promised low electric prices in the future from cheap nuclear power.

They lied...

24 posted on 02/12/2011 10:51:40 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
You have to use a time machine to consider it this time.
25 posted on 02/12/2011 10:52:31 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: thackney
This was sent to me by another member, who is afraid to post any news from Texas that is not good, for fear of being attacked. Yes I understand it is several days old, and you would like it deleted.

Feel free to request this article be deleted or omitted.

I understand your concerns.

26 posted on 02/12/2011 10:56:23 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
Links Fixed:

Some background info. This is not a surprise.
Check out the last paragraph on the second quote (bottom of post).

Obama and Coal: Obama Admits His Policies Will “Bankrupt” Coal Industry
November 2, 2008

Obama on Coal Power:

“So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can. It’s just that it will bankrupt them.”

Transcript of audio of an Obama interview with the SF Chronicle:

"Let me sort of describe my overall policy.

What I’ve said is that we would put a cap and trade system in place that is as aggressive, if not more aggressive, than anybody else’s out there.

I was the first to call for a 100% auction on the cap and trade system, which means that every unit of carbon or greenhouse gases emitted would be charged to the polluter. That will create a market in which whatever technologies are out there that are being presented, whatever power plants that are being built, that they would have to meet the rigors of that market and the ratcheted down caps that are being placed, imposed every year.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it’s just that it will bankrupt them because they’re going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that’s being emitted.

That will also generate billions of dollars that we can invest in solar, wind, biodiesel and other alternative energy approaches.

The only thing I’ve said with respect to coal, I haven’t been some coal booster. What I have said is that for us to take coal off the table as a (sic) ideological matter as opposed to saying if technology allows us to use coal in a clean way, we should pursue it.

So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can.

It’s just that it will bankrupt them."

Obama Energy Secretary Promises "Massive" Coal Plant Closures
February 10, 2011

"Obama Energy Secretary Steven Chu has launched the next phase of the White House’s publicly stated agenda to bankrupt the coal industry via EPA regulations after announcing the prospect of “massive” coal plant closures even as Texas and other states suffer rolling blackouts as a result of maxed-out power plants that cannot cope with demand.

The Obama administration’s strict enforcement of draconian EPA regulations has led to new clean-burning coal-fired plants being mothballed and other existing ones being shut down, which has in turn led to Texas and other states becoming energy-dependent, leading to shortages and blackouts exacerbated by freezing temperatures."


27 posted on 02/12/2011 10:57:24 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Our country's founders cherished liberty, not democracy." -- Ron Paul)
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To: Iron Munro

It’s just all part of bringing America and it’s people to their knees by the Communist and American hating extreme leftist....

BTW, they’re doing a kick a$$ job...


28 posted on 02/12/2011 11:00:54 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

I’ve been in power outages before, but never rolling blackouts.

Do you get any warning? Do they say in advance what areas will be out? And how long do the outages last?


29 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:00 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: dragnet2

I’ve been in power outages before, but never rolling blackouts.

Do you get any warning? Do they say in advance what areas will be out? And how long do the outages last?


30 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:11 AM PST by canuck_conservative
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To: dragnet2
I am not asking for it to be deleted. But when you are hopeful about how well they will handle an event that happened it in the past, it is confusing at best.
31 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:49 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: canuck_conservative
There was an general announcement for the area that rolling blackout will occur. But individuals cannot reasonably be individually notified as to the time the power will go off and come back on. The power need fluctuates too fast to schedule and notify beyond large area notifications.

We lost our power at home during the previous round of blackouts, but this event actually didn't happen but was a warning of a possibility, 4 days ago, that did not happen.

32 posted on 02/12/2011 11:08:04 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: de.rm

I faintly remember something about tank trucks pouring oil in the desert somewhere.

Anyone remember that?


33 posted on 02/12/2011 11:08:27 AM PST by TribalPrincess2U (They don't need to do another 911. They have BHO.)
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To: dragnet2

How much more electricity does Texas use keeping warm in the winter than it does keeping cool in the summer?


34 posted on 02/12/2011 11:10:52 AM PST by PLMerite (Thanks for fixing the clock.)
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To: wild74

The thing is that supplying less power means they don’t generate the same income therefore they’ll have to raise rates. If a household pays say, 7 cents per kilowatt hour they’ll up the rate to 8 cents. They’ll use less and pay more.


35 posted on 02/12/2011 11:29:07 AM PST by ReverendJames (Only A Painter Or A Liberal Can Change Black To White)
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To: thackney

If it makes you feel better, here’s another story from about a day and a half ago..I hope this news isn’t too old for you.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

February 10, 2011

DALLAS - The Electric Reliability Council of Texas, the agency that oversees the state’s power, says the energy grid is nearly maxed out.

The agency has warned consumers that if they don’t conserve power this morning, rolling blackouts will likely happen once again.

http://www.wfaa.com/news/local/ERCOT-warns-of-more-rolling-blackouts-115709399.html


36 posted on 02/12/2011 11:30:59 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2

Will they pay us if we reduce consumption?


37 posted on 02/12/2011 11:32:07 AM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: GeronL
Will they pay us if we reduce consumption?

No, like in CA, when they told everyone to conserve a few years back, everyone did, and they raised the rates because they were losing profit.

38 posted on 02/12/2011 11:34:17 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: dragnet2
And that weather has passed, and no blackouts occurred due to generation relative to demand.

It was an interesting history lesson, but history from this point.

39 posted on 02/12/2011 11:34:34 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: dragnet2

I expect that these blackouts will become common throughout the country come summer when the windmills can’t keep up and the EPA shuts down coal plants.


40 posted on 02/12/2011 11:35:22 AM PST by The Great RJ (The Bill of Rights: Another bill members of Congress haven't read.)
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To: dragnet2
Notice a few key words.

February 10, 2011

...that if they don’t conserve power this morning

posted on Saturday, February 12, 2011

41 posted on 02/12/2011 11:38:18 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: The Great RJ
I expect that these blackouts will become common throughout the country come summer when the windmills can’t keep up and the EPA shuts down coal plants.

Exactly...Like the illegals started in the southwest, now their coast to coast..Like the economy, our infrastructure, lawless borders, dumbed down schools....A steady decline in the standard of living....

Bringing America down was by design and no accident.

42 posted on 02/12/2011 11:39:10 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: thackney

This article is clearly bothering you...Please ask the AM to delete it...


43 posted on 02/12/2011 11:39:56 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: thackney
February 10, 2011

ERCOT Breaks Electricity Demand Record Again

Power Watch Cancelled

For the second time this month, the Electric Reliability Council of Texas, Inc. (ERCOT), the grid operator for most of the state, set a new record for winter peak demand with 57,282 megawatts (MW) today between 7 and 8 a.m. – nearly 1,000 MW higher than the previous record from Feb. 2, and 1,400 MW higher than the 2010 record.

"While it is always a good idea to conserve electricity when you can, we are cancelling the ‘Power Watch” at this time," said CEO Trip Doggett. "We appreciate the efforts of the consumers to reduce their electricity consumption during these recent critical days of severe weather."

The all-time peak demand for the ERCOT region is 65,776 MW, which occurred on Aug. 23, 2010.

In addition, the “transmission watch” for the Rio Grande Valley area has been cancelled.


44 posted on 02/12/2011 11:40:42 AM PST by deport
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To: dragnet2

At least those in the White House won’t have to suffer. Their thermostats are being kept at 80°F all winter.


45 posted on 02/12/2011 11:40:57 AM PST by Hoodat (Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. - (Rom 8:37))
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To: dragnet2

One more article:

Power watch’ canceled
http://www.brownsvilleherald.com/news/canceled-122695-council-watch.html
February 10, 2011 11:48 PM

The council that monitors electrical usage in much of the state has canceled its “power watch,” saying there is no longer a risk of needing rolling blackouts.

The Electric Reliability Council of Texas Inc., or ERCOT, had put electrical providers on notice earlier in the week that blackouts might be required and asked the companies to encourage customers to conserve power.


46 posted on 02/12/2011 11:42:53 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer (biblein90days.org))
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To: Hoodat

“Their thermostats are being kept at 80°F all winter.”

That sounds like misery to me. Give me 60°F in the winter. Compared to 5 below outside it feels toasty.


47 posted on 02/12/2011 11:44:21 AM PST by Big Bronson
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To: dragnet2
3rd world countries run out of electricity. Modern civilizations build power generation facilities to meet demand and plan ahead for that demand..

By the way, what happens in summer? I hear it gets hot in Texas? I also hear that air conditioners use electricity?

48 posted on 02/12/2011 11:46:45 AM PST by HereInTheHeartland (Vote like Obama is on the ballot)
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To: HereInTheHeartland
They're setting them up for the big power outages for this summer?

Probably so they can double their rates...

49 posted on 02/12/2011 11:53:24 AM PST by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Ruy Dias de Bivar

Thanks for the info. I didn’t know about ERCOT specifics. I forgot Texas grid is independent from the rest of the country. Good the feds can’t control them.


50 posted on 02/12/2011 11:53:25 AM PST by veritas3
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