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Woman, 61, gives birth to own grandchild
Chicago Tribune ^ | 2/12/2011 | Deborah L. Shelton

Posted on 02/12/2011 10:40:04 AM PST by Krankor

Almost 39 weeks ago, Kristine Casey set out on an unusual journey to help her daughter and answer a spiritual calling.

Her goal was achieved late Wednesday when she gave birth to her own grandson at age 61.

Casey, possibly the oldest women to give birth in Illinois, served as a surrogate for her daughter, Sara Connell, who had been trying for years to have a baby. Connell and her husband, Bill, are the biological parents of the child Casey carried, which grew from an embryo created from the Chicago couple's egg and sperm.

Crying and praying, Connell and her mother held hands as Finnean Lee Connell was delivered by cesarean section at 9:47 p.m.

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KEYWORDS: idiocy; ivf; moralabsolutes; selfishness; troll; trollalert
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To: DrC

40 posts and still not Ray Stevens (written by Dwight Latham and Moe Jaffe):

Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother, ‘cause she was my father’s wife.
To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
To the widow’s grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my step-mother.

My father’s wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my grand-child, ‘cause he was my daughter’s son.
My wife is now my mother’s mother, and it makes me blue
Because, although she is my wife, she’s my grandmother too.

If my wife is my grandmother, then I am her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw
(This has got to be the strangest thing I ever saw)
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpaw.

I’m my own grandpaw
I’m my own grandpaw
It sounds funny I know
but it really is so
Oh, I’m my own grandpaw.

41 posted on 02/12/2011 1:04:29 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I apologize for missing the meaning of your post.

43 posted on 02/12/2011 1:15:45 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Seek help.

44 posted on 02/12/2011 1:16:17 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jerseyrocks

You wonder if they just want a child as a possession or they really want to be a Mother?

Concerns me, as well. How can a mother leave her precious baby to the care of strangers? I will never understand it. Oh, it is a lot less stressful to dump the kid and head off to work, but it is not good for the child.

45 posted on 02/12/2011 1:24:29 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW
>>>Do you think the first embryo/baby implanted always takes? It doesn't.<<<

They usually don't take naturally either.

Naturally about 15% - 20% of embryos that reach the uterus survive. Through IVF that number drops to 7% - 10%.

46 posted on 02/12/2011 1:36:07 PM PST by kara37
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To: tenger

That is hilarious, not to mention wickedly clever. I’d never heard it before.

47 posted on 02/12/2011 1:37:09 PM PST by DrC
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To: Krankor

You guys — she probably could not afford the $40K it would take for a surrogate, and Grandma was in good shape and offered to do it. The Reproductive Endocrinologist must have made Grandma jump through HOOPS of medical testing, mock cycling, etc. before he/she would let a woman over 60 carry the baby. If Jack LaLanne had a uterus at 60, he could have easily handled a pregnancy.

I know someone at 33 who came down with eclampsia during her baby’s birth and went into a coma for a week. She is recovering nicely but for a while did not even know she had a baby. She had total amnesia of her months before birth, and some permanent brain damage. It’s not only about age, and the Grandma probably would have been OK to die and give her daughter the joy of a child. But wonderful that all turned out well.

G-d bless. The pain of infertility is nothing I wish on anyone.

48 posted on 02/12/2011 1:43:35 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Oddly enough, this life coach is writing a book about her experience. And one of her Cds is being used by Northwestern Hospital. Seems like there could be more here than just trying to have a baby.
49 posted on 02/12/2011 2:02:17 PM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: kara37


50 posted on 02/12/2011 2:02:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW
I'm sure there are links everywhere. However, the first link that popped up when I googled my quote was this:

I remember all the statistics from my trying to conceive days. I luckily never had to use any infertility treatments, but I was getting close enough to look into it.

I know that everyone has strong beliefs on this subject. However, the truth is that the majority of fertilized eggs don't attach and survive whether it's naturally or through IVF.

That is, unless your 16 doing it for the first time in the back of a car. Those embryos seem to always survive.

51 posted on 02/12/2011 2:30:18 PM PST by kara37
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To: Yaelle

It isn’t called a surrogate any more it is called a gestational carrier. At least that is what they called the surrogate who carried Demi Moore’s new baby.

52 posted on 02/12/2011 3:25:31 PM PST by Guardian Sebastian
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To: kara37
I've seen different statistics and the live birth rate is higher for natural conception.

But what will now happen to the unused babies? They'll be destroyed. This is playing God and I disagree with it.

53 posted on 02/12/2011 3:38:31 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: tenger

I can’t believe it took 40 replies either. The only reason I clicked on this thread was to reply with those lyrics myself!

54 posted on 02/12/2011 3:57:41 PM PST by Incorrigible (If I lead, follow me; If I pause, push me; If I retreat, kill me.)
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To: Krankor

“The Mother has two sibling sisters, yet she allowed her 61 year old mother to carry the baby”.

To be completely honest, I would have a hard time carrying another person’s child (even if I had a sister). Perhaps my pregnancies and labor and deliveries weren’t easy and that would affect my decision. However, to carry and deliver a child is not a walk in the park. I would have a difficult time surrendering the baby that had been in my womb for 40 weeks. It is obvious the mother loved her daughter and thought she did best. I hope all the hormones given to her do not have an affect later but I thought that cancer was one of them.

55 posted on 02/12/2011 4:55:28 PM PST by momtothree
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To: DreamingWest

Why do people go through this much trouble when there are SO many kids in the foster system who would love a forever family? I just don’t get.

because foster care kids are severely broken

56 posted on 02/12/2011 5:10:54 PM PST by Chickensoup (“If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stomping on a human face — forever.” Orwell)
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To: Chickensoup

“because foster care kids are severely broken”

wow. Going with that logic, I guess so are people who can’t reproduce. Guess foster kids don’t need a home then, and people who can’t reproduce don’t need kids.

57 posted on 02/12/2011 6:42:29 PM PST by DreamingWest
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To: kara37

True but you are talking the implanted ones most do not make it to that point because they weed out the ones they do not feel are strong.They may start with 15 fertilized but only keep 8 as viable so for every implantation 7 babies died to get to that step.

58 posted on 02/12/2011 7:13:15 PM PST by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba
I was only talking about the fact that the majority of fertilized eggs do not implant whether it is naturally or through IVF.

The embryo has about 11 days to implant the natural way. The majority of the time, they will not implant. That's what the morning after pill does, it prevents implantation.
Of course, fertility is different in every woman. My sister got pregnant the first try with all 4 of her kids.
I took 1 1/2 years with the first, 2 years with the second. I'm sure I had more than a few embryos that didn't implant in my 3 1/2 years of trying.

However, the statistics say that you only have about a 20 - 25 percent chance of pregnancy even if you time it perfect and everything is in working order.

Then of course, some of those will result in miscarriage. That's what brings the number down to a 15 - 20 percent survival rate.

I really wasn't trying to get into the morality of it. I completely understand that some people see IVF as the equivalent to abortion, but I just don't.

59 posted on 02/12/2011 9:08:52 PM PST by kara37
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To: dennisw

This is bizarre but since it is all in the family I am fine with it. The pregnant grandmother has a self interest in seeing more grandchildren and sacrificing her health and body for a new generation. Nothing wrong with that and goes on all the time where the old sacrifice for the young within their family.....

My feelings as well. A mother in our area did this a few years ago, for a daughter without a uterus.

I found this to be a most interesting and profound quote by the surrogate.

Chad and Chelsea understand that Grandma Arlette carried them because their mom didn’t have a uterus.

“They also know they are from their parents, Christa and Kevin, and that I just sat on the nest,” she said.

More info here:

60 posted on 02/13/2011 6:38:27 AM PST by wita
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