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Woman, 61, gives birth to own grandchild
Chicago Tribune ^ | 2/12/2011 | Deborah L. Shelton

Posted on 02/12/2011 10:40:04 AM PST by Krankor

Almost 39 weeks ago, Kristine Casey set out on an unusual journey to help her daughter and answer a spiritual calling.

Her goal was achieved late Wednesday when she gave birth to her own grandson at age 61.

Casey, possibly the oldest women to give birth in Illinois, served as a surrogate for her daughter, Sara Connell, who had been trying for years to have a baby. Connell and her husband, Bill, are the biological parents of the child Casey carried, which grew from an embryo created from the Chicago couple's egg and sperm.

Crying and praying, Connell and her mother held hands as Finnean Lee Connell was delivered by cesarean section at 9:47 p.m.

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I don't know. It just sounds "unnatural" to me. It's great a new life was brought into the world and I applaud the grandmother's courage and selflessness. But I'm amazed at the selfishness of the daughter. While granny was in good health before the procedure, the article made it clear the risks were very high. Allowing a sixty plus woman to carry a child for nine months is expecting an awful lot. It also increase her chances of diabetes and high blood pressure- maybe even death. I could understand if the daughter's life was in danger and she needed a transplant, but just for the sake of having a baby sounds incredibly selfish.
1 posted on 02/12/2011 10:40:06 AM PST by Krankor
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To: Krankor

Huxley would be proud. Brave New World, indeed


2 posted on 02/12/2011 10:42:24 AM PST by bill1952 (Choice is an illusion created between those with power - and those without)
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To: Krankor

I’m 56 and in excellent shape and health but I don’t think I could put my body through that. It was hard enough at 19 when I had my daughter. :-)


3 posted on 02/12/2011 10:45:24 AM PST by Melinda in TN
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To: Melinda in TN

“It was hard enough at 19...”

I had my last bio child at 36. There is no way I would/could do that again in my 60’s. Now, my grandmother had her last at 50 and her mother had her last at 49. At a certain point... enough is enough!


4 posted on 02/12/2011 10:48:06 AM PST by momtothree
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To: Krankor

DISGUSTING!!!! God will NOT be mocked.


5 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:03 AM PST by Ann Archy (Abortion is the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Krankor
Okay. I am glad for a healthy baby and a healthy mother.

But . . . I am officially creeped-out.
6 posted on 02/12/2011 10:49:37 AM PST by righttackle44 (I may not be much, but I raised a U.S. Marine.)
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7 posted on 02/12/2011 10:53:38 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: Melinda in TN

I know, I’m 53 in good shape too. I can’t imagine going through that again! I just got my body and mind in the best shape of my life ( well, since my 30’s) after years of menopause hell.


8 posted on 02/12/2011 10:55:23 AM PST by alice_in_bubbaland (DeMint/Ryan 2012!!!!!)
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To: Krankor

“It also increase her chances of diabetes and high blood pressure- maybe even death.”

It also SUBSTANTIALLY increased the risk of her infant’s death. Here’s a study that studied maternal age and infant mortality finding “those born to mothers 40-49 years of age were at a much more elevated (69% higher) risk.” http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/3393358
This was the highest age category examined since the number of women delivering babies after age 50 is (appropriately) vanishingly small.

So this was a pretty poor decision all around and the daughter’s lucky she dodged a bullet. Wonder how she would have felt if her mom or the baby had died? It’s hard to believe she would have concluded “Well, it was a difficult decision, but I’d make it again.”


9 posted on 02/12/2011 10:58:41 AM PST by DrC
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To: DrC

I can’t imagine a 60-something woman’s body producing enough hormone to sustain a pregnancy. That means she must have been popping tons of exogenous hormones. WTH are these people thinking? Ooops.....my bad - they WEREN’T thinking.


10 posted on 02/12/2011 11:02:42 AM PST by surroundedbyblue
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To: Krankor

This is bizarre but since it is all in the family I am fine with it. The pregnant grandmother has a self interest in seeing more grandchildren and sacrificing her health and body for a new generation. Nothing wrong with that and goes on all the time where the old sacrifice for the young within their family.....


11 posted on 02/12/2011 11:03:02 AM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: DJ MacWoW

IVF is prohibited by the Catholic Church.


12 posted on 02/12/2011 11:11:31 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I thought that it was as it kills “unwanted” children.


13 posted on 02/12/2011 11:19:12 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: righttackle44

Just like to know if this woman that so desperately wanted a baby will be staying home to raise him? I know so many woman that go through these great lengths to have children then continue their lives as if there is no interruption. They go back to a full-time job, enjoy their weekends away, or their weekly night out. You wonder if they just want a child as a possession or they really want to be a Mother?


14 posted on 02/12/2011 11:19:44 AM PST by jerseyrocks
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To: dennisw

As a mother, she must have gone through the acute disappointment, frustration, depression, guilt and anger of her own child trying time after time to conceive. Believe me, it rips your heart out. Most Grandmother’s would die without thinkng to protect their grandchildren. It seems very natural that this grandmother would give the gift of the use of her womb and body to bring the fullfillment of motherhood to her daughter and life to her grandchild. It seems a gift of God, in itself, that this was medically possible.


15 posted on 02/12/2011 11:25:06 AM PST by marsh2
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To: marsh2
And what about the babies that are killed because they are unwanted or insemination failed? How many are you willing to sacrifice so ONE can be born unnaturally?

It seems a gift of God

Both Sarah and Hannah conceived because God wanted them to and he didn't use IVF.

16 posted on 02/12/2011 11:35:23 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DrC

They may not be out of the woods just yet.IIRC the incidence of Autism dramatically increases with the Mother’s age.Though with this being IVF and not her eggs that may not be valid in this case?


17 posted on 02/12/2011 11:41:59 AM PST by chris_bdba
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To: Krankor

Geez. I hope the grateful parents don’t stick Grandma with more than the usual amount of babysitting. She’s done more than enough!


18 posted on 02/12/2011 11:42:17 AM PST by Pearls Before Swine (/s, in case you need to ask)
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To: Ann Archy

“DISGUSTING!!!! God will NOT be mocked.”

Yeah!

These people are almost as bad as the people who get blood transfusions or take antibiotics. Or asprin!

No vaccines for me!

If anyone gets sick, it’s because you are not faithful to Jesus, and deserve to die.

Modern medicine is a sin!


19 posted on 02/12/2011 11:44:48 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: DJ MacWoW

” thought that it was as it kills “unwanted” children.”

No, they can just use those later.

It’s the sin of masterbation that is the problem.


20 posted on 02/12/2011 11:46:19 AM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Granny lives in Virginia, so I doubt they’ll be using her too much as a babysitter. By the way, one of the posters on the Trib site made a very good point. The mother has two sibling sisters, yet she allowed her 61 year old mother to carry the baby. Sounds like all her kids aren’t too concerned about the granny.


21 posted on 02/12/2011 11:48:47 AM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: TheThirdRuffian; Ann Archy
No vaccines for me!

This has nothing to do with medicine and everything to do with morality. Just because it's possible to do something doesn't mean one should. So, does this mean no morality for you either?

22 posted on 02/12/2011 11:48:47 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
It seems that you don't understand IVF. Do you think the first embryo/baby implanted always takes? It doesn't.

And I doubt they'll "use those later". The Grandmother is 61 now and past the time of comfort.

24 posted on 02/12/2011 11:52:07 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
Nope, infertility, like any other disease, is a curse from God.

The whole earth is condemned because of sin and it wasn't God's sin.

They are mocking him by using modern medicine.

They are playing God. How many babies do you suppose died before one implanted?

I bet the kid has no soul.

You sound very liberal.

25 posted on 02/12/2011 11:55:54 AM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

Yes. From “Instruction on respect for human life”

“Development of the practice of in vitro fertilization has required innumerable fertilizations and destructions of human embryos. Even today, the usual practice presupposes a hyperovulation on the part of the woman: a number of ova are withdrawn, fertilized and then cultivated in vitro for some days. Usually not all are transferred into the genital tracts of the woman; some embryos, generally called “spare “, are destroyed or frozen. On occasion, some of the implanted embryos are sacrificed for various eugenic, economic or psychological reasons. Such deliberate destruction of human beings or their utilization for different purposes to the detriment of their integrity and life is contrary to the doctrine on procured abortion already recalled. The connection between in vitro fertilization and the voluntary destruction of human embryos occurs too often. This is significant: through these procedures, with apparently contrary purposes, life and death are subjected to the decision of man, who thus sets himself up as the giver of life and death by decree.
This dynamic of violence and domination may remain unnoticed by those very individuals who, in wishing to utilize this procedure, become subject to it themselves. The facts recorded and the cold logic which links them must be taken into consideration for a moral judgment on IVF and ET (in vitro fertilization and embryo transfer): the abortion-mentality which has made this procedure possible thus leads, whether one wants it or not, to man’s domination over the life and death of his fellow human beings and can lead to a system of radical eugenics. “

http://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_19870222_respect-for-human-life_en.html


26 posted on 02/12/2011 11:57:23 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Willful ignorance is a sin.


27 posted on 02/12/2011 12:01:56 PM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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To: DJ MacWoW
From the same source, there is also this, which I believe is a beautiful insight into love between a husband and wife:

1. WHY MUST HUMAN PROCREATION TAKE PLACE IN MARRIAGE?

Every human being is always to be accepted as a gift and blessing of God. However, from the moral point of view a truly responsible procreation vis-à-vis the unborn child must be the fruit of marriage.

For human procreation has specific characteristics by virtue of the personal dignity of the parents and of the children: the procreation of a new person, whereby the man and the woman collaborate with the power of the Creator, must be the fruit and the sign of the mutual self-giving of the spouses, of their love and of their fidelity.(34) The fidelity of the spouses in the unity of marriage involves reciprocal respect of their right to become a father and a mother only through each other. The child has the right to be conceived, carried in the womb, brought into the world and brought up within marriage: it is through the secure and recognized relationship to his own parents that the child can discover his own identity and achieve his own proper human development.

The parents find in their child a confirmation and completion of their reciprocal self-giving: the child is the living image of their love, the permanent sign of their conjugal union, the living and indissoluble concrete expression of their paternity and maternity, (35) By reason of the vocation and social responsibilities of the person, the good of the children and of the parents contributes to the good of civil society; the vitality and stability of society require that children come into the world within a family and that the family be firmly based on marriage. The tradition of the Church and anthropological reflection recognize in marriage and in its indissoluble unity the only setting worthy of truly responsible procreation.

28 posted on 02/12/2011 12:02:16 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Every child has a soul.


29 posted on 02/12/2011 12:03:18 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: marsh2

Check out all the comments. Only you and me have this opinion. Normally I am against such intervention but not here because it is within the family. From the photo “Granny” looks pretty healthy and happy and able to cope. So good all around. Granny did for her daughter and granddaughter.


30 posted on 02/12/2011 12:12:38 PM PST by dennisw (- - - -He who does not economize will have to agonize - - - - - Confucius)
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To: Krankor

Why do people go through this much trouble when there are SO many kids in the foster system who would love a forever family? I just don’t get.


31 posted on 02/12/2011 12:13:18 PM PST by DreamingWest
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To: Ann Archy
DISGUSTING!!!! God will NOT be mocked.

How is God mocked.

32 posted on 02/12/2011 12:14:30 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: DreamingWest
Why do people go through this much trouble when there are SO many kids in the foster system who would love a forever family? I just don’t get.

They brought a new life and soul into the universe. If not, the child's soul would be wandering aimlessly forever.

33 posted on 02/12/2011 12:16:49 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: DreamingWest

Well, for one thing, they apparently have a lot of money. And the mother is some kind of professional life coach who preaches womens’ empowerment. I have no idea what kind of philosophy she promotes, but maybe it’s along the lines of, “if you have a goal, go for it”. Oddly enough, the husband seems to be a somewhat secondary character in this whole thing. Maybe she has a very strong personality and he just kinda acquiesces.


34 posted on 02/12/2011 12:24:24 PM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: SeeSac

Why do people go through this much trouble when there are SO many kids in the foster system who would love a forever family? I just don’t get.
They brought a new life and soul into the universe. If not, the child’s soul would be wandering aimlessly forever

WOW, so the fact that a child who is already here has to live in the foster system, unloved, without being truly wanted is better than some some “soul wandering aimlessly”? I’m just curious as to where your proof for this is.
I see a lot of foster kids where I am, not so many souls wandering.


35 posted on 02/12/2011 12:24:51 PM PST by DreamingWest
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To: SeeSac
If not, the child's soul would be wandering aimlessly forever.

No. And your statement has no Scriptural basis.

36 posted on 02/12/2011 12:26:00 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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To: DJ MacWoW

“They are playing God. How many babies do you suppose died before one implanted?”

Exactly! They need to be charged with murder. Just like everyone else who has sex that doesn’t result in a child.


38 posted on 02/12/2011 12:38:23 PM PST by TheThirdRuffian (Nothing to see here. Move along.)
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To: TheThirdRuffian
They aren’t real children. They’re scientific experiments.

Disgustingly sick post.

39 posted on 02/12/2011 12:38:30 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: chris_bdba

I don’t know, but you’re right that there may also be some downstream risks that were elevated by very high age of mother.


40 posted on 02/12/2011 12:40:51 PM PST by DrC
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To: DrC

40 posts and still not Ray Stevens (written by Dwight Latham and Moe Jaffe):

Many, many years ago when I was twenty-three
I was married to a widow who was pretty as could be.
This widow had a grown-up daughter who had hair of red.
My father fell in love with her and soon they, too, were wed.

This made my dad my son-in-law and changed my very life
For my daughter was my mother, ‘cause she was my father’s wife.
To complicate the matter, even though it brought me joy
I soon became the father of a bouncing baby boy.

My little baby then became a brother-in-law to dad
And so became my uncle, though it made me very sad
For if he was my uncle, then that also made him brother
To the widow’s grown-up daughter, who, of course, was my step-mother.

My father’s wife then had a son who kept them on the run
And he became my grand-child, ‘cause he was my daughter’s son.
My wife is now my mother’s mother, and it makes me blue
Because, although she is my wife, she’s my grandmother too.

If my wife is my grandmother, then I am her grandchild
And every time I think of it, it nearly drives me wild
For now I have become the strangest case you ever saw
(This has got to be the strangest thing I ever saw)
As husband of my grandmother, I am my own grandpaw.

Chorus
I’m my own grandpaw
I’m my own grandpaw
It sounds funny I know
but it really is so
Oh, I’m my own grandpaw.


41 posted on 02/12/2011 1:04:29 PM PST by tenger (It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for. -Will Rogers)
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To: TheThirdRuffian

I apologize for missing the meaning of your post.


43 posted on 02/12/2011 1:15:45 PM PST by SeeSac
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To: TheThirdRuffian

Seek help.


44 posted on 02/12/2011 1:16:17 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: jerseyrocks

You wonder if they just want a child as a possession or they really want to be a Mother?

&&&
Concerns me, as well. How can a mother leave her precious baby to the care of strangers? I will never understand it. Oh, it is a lot less stressful to dump the kid and head off to work, but it is not good for the child.


45 posted on 02/12/2011 1:24:29 PM PST by Bigg Red (Palin in 2012)
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To: DJ MacWoW
>>>Do you think the first embryo/baby implanted always takes? It doesn't.<<<

They usually don't take naturally either.

Naturally about 15% - 20% of embryos that reach the uterus survive. Through IVF that number drops to 7% - 10%.

46 posted on 02/12/2011 1:36:07 PM PST by kara37
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To: tenger

That is hilarious, not to mention wickedly clever. I’d never heard it before.


47 posted on 02/12/2011 1:37:09 PM PST by DrC
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To: Krankor

You guys — she probably could not afford the $40K it would take for a surrogate, and Grandma was in good shape and offered to do it. The Reproductive Endocrinologist must have made Grandma jump through HOOPS of medical testing, mock cycling, etc. before he/she would let a woman over 60 carry the baby. If Jack LaLanne had a uterus at 60, he could have easily handled a pregnancy.

I know someone at 33 who came down with eclampsia during her baby’s birth and went into a coma for a week. She is recovering nicely but for a while did not even know she had a baby. She had total amnesia of her months before birth, and some permanent brain damage. It’s not only about age, and the Grandma probably would have been OK to die and give her daughter the joy of a child. But wonderful that all turned out well.

G-d bless. The pain of infertility is nothing I wish on anyone.


48 posted on 02/12/2011 1:43:35 PM PST by Yaelle
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To: Yaelle
Oddly enough, this life coach is writing a book about her experience. And one of her Cds is being used by Northwestern Hospital. Seems like there could be more here than just trying to have a baby.
49 posted on 02/12/2011 2:02:17 PM PST by Krankor (And he's oh, so good, And he's oh, so fine, And he's oh, so healthy, In his body and his mind)
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To: kara37

Links?


50 posted on 02/12/2011 2:02:51 PM PST by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are at your door! How will you answer the knock?)
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