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Taking Liberties: Taxing Church Attendance?
FoxNews ^ | Feb 10, 2011 | Douglas Kennedy

Posted on 02/12/2011 5:45:45 PM PST by Innovative

"The city of Mission is taxing churches," he said. "And that’s clearly unconstitutional."

In August, the small town just north of Kansas City passed the so-called "driveway tax," a controversial charge, in addition to property taxes, for residents and businesses based on the number of times their driveway is used.

A big box store like Target can pay over $60,000 annually, while residents pay a flat rate of $72 dollars a year.

"The city of mission is taxing churches based on the number of people that come in and out of their driveway, the number of people that come to church," he said.

Mission's Mayor Laura McConwell, who has overseen the proposal and implementation of the program disagrees.

"This is not a tax," She said in a telephone interview. "This is a fee."

(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Kansas
KEYWORDS: churches; constitution; government; govtabuse; religion; taxes; taxingchurches
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Every time you think they can't come up with anything worse, they do...

Watch it go national...

1 posted on 02/12/2011 5:45:54 PM PST by Innovative
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To: Innovative

These days the first amendment only applies to perverts


2 posted on 02/12/2011 5:48:31 PM PST by GeronL (http://www.stink-eye.net/forum/index.php for FR backup site!)
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To: Innovative
"driveway tax," for residents and businesses based on the number of times their driveway is used.

IS THIS A JOKE?

3 posted on 02/12/2011 5:48:56 PM PST by BenLurkin (This post is not a statement of fact. It is merely a personal opinion -- or humor -- or both)
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To: Innovative
"This is not a tax," She said in a telephone interview. "This is a fee."

If it's imposed by Government and backed up by the threat of force if you don't pay, it's a tax.

Period.

4 posted on 02/12/2011 5:49:52 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Innovative

So, have they eliminated free parking along the streets too?


5 posted on 02/12/2011 5:50:02 PM PST by Paladin2 (Free Parking is what made America Great!)
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To: BenLurkin

“IS THIS A JOKE?”

I know it sounds like it, but unfortunately it is absolutely true. I saw it on Fox News earlier today and searched Google News and sure enough, it’s as real as death and taxes.


6 posted on 02/12/2011 5:52:14 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative

Church moves out of city limits, city loses tax dollars. Although, I do not think that this tax is constitutional.


7 posted on 02/12/2011 5:52:38 PM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Lurker

These people are getting desperate.

They gave to figure out a way to pay for all those six figure pensions.


8 posted on 02/12/2011 5:52:50 PM PST by djf (Touch my junk and I'll break yur mug!!!)
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To: Innovative

Will they tax homeowners double if their mothers-in-law move in? That would be the limit.


9 posted on 02/12/2011 5:54:16 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: Paladin2

On Foxnews they had an interview and it was said that they tax based on SEATS in the church, not even the cars in the driveway, so even if you had a 30% attendance, they have to pay as if they had 100%.


10 posted on 02/12/2011 5:54:52 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: BenLurkin

Great, everybody park on the street!


11 posted on 02/12/2011 5:57:04 PM PST by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: Innovative

Another point — this article is about churches and it’s outrageous, but they are taxing businesses, which will hurt the economy and make it harder for employers to offer jobs.


12 posted on 02/12/2011 5:57:45 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative
Get a big bus and run it as a shuttle between the nearest Park&Ride and the church.

Of course, the greedy ones will find a way to shut that down.

13 posted on 02/12/2011 5:58:03 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Hosni: "I am an Arab warrior, not a community organizer.")
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To: Dem Guard

See my post 10 — they count the seats in the church, and charge accordingly, even if nobody shows up.


14 posted on 02/12/2011 5:58:43 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative

So take out the chairs and use bean bags or mattresses.
(Do the Mussies avoid this tax with their rugs?)


15 posted on 02/12/2011 5:59:20 PM PST by Dem Guard (Obama's 57 States = The Organization of The Islamic Conference (OIC).)
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To: Innovative
but they are taxing businesses, which will hurt the economy and make it harder for employers to offer jobs.

Businesses will move outside of Mission and cut its "take" further.

16 posted on 02/12/2011 5:59:46 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Hosni: "I am an Arab warrior, not a community organizer.")
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To: Innovative

So, how do these b0z0s get re-elected?


17 posted on 02/12/2011 6:03:48 PM PST by Paladin2 (Free Parking is what made America Great!)
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To: Innovative

“...or the free exercise thereof.” So unconstitutional it isn’t even funny. What a pity the regard for the Constitution is so low that it takes a court case to get two-bit tyrants to pay attention to it.


18 posted on 02/12/2011 6:03:56 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Innovative
See my post 10 — they count the seats in the church, and charge accordingly, even if nobody shows up.

Okay. We quit scheduling services, therefore there is 0% utilization.

Or if they're going to charge for 100% utilization they need to guarantee 100% utilization. City councilmembers first to take up the slack. And no slipping out early -- you HAVE to stay for the sermon on Greed and Mammon.

/ s

19 posted on 02/12/2011 6:04:03 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Hosni: "I am an Arab warrior, not a community organizer.")
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To: Paladin2
So, how do these b0z0s get re-elected?

An Excess Of Liberals.

20 posted on 02/12/2011 6:04:56 PM PST by sionnsar (IranAzadi|5yst3m 0wn3d-it's N0t Y0ur5:SONY|Hosni: "I am an Arab warrior, not a community organizer.")
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To: Innovative

Damn these fools. America is gone.


21 posted on 02/12/2011 6:05:42 PM PST by Logical me
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To: Cicero

Just wait until they force nerve implants or sensitivity bracelets in order to tax orgasms.

It will be a fee to discourage overpopulation figuring that the less often everybody enjoys married bliss, the lower the expenses will be to run schools five years later.

More creeping socialism - incremental cyanide.


22 posted on 02/12/2011 6:07:09 PM PST by Surrounded_too
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To: Logical me

“America is gone.”

The only question remains is whether we need to buy prayer rugs and learn which way is Mecca or should we learn Chinese instead...


23 posted on 02/12/2011 6:08:00 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative

Seems to me that the residents of the city pay their darn taxes; therefore, they pay for the road to park their cars. This is just evil in my book. Just a way to eliminate some churches. With everything going on in our country and the world, we need people to go to church more than ever. Just a thought.


24 posted on 02/12/2011 6:11:30 PM PST by momtothree
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To: Innovative
It seems to me the citizens of that town should be angry enough to demand some city officials resignations. I would not pay to use my own driveway and I sure would not put up with a church I attended being taxed by seating. On the other hand it may be a liberal majority town that thinks unconstitutional taxes are just great who knows?
25 posted on 02/12/2011 6:12:44 PM PST by cva66snipe (Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?)
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To: Innovative

Kansas City also is discussing installing meters on people’s toilets and imposing a user pay tax which charges the set tax rate per flushing. You pull that toilet handle, and cha- ching, its auto deducted from your debit account right away./s

Implants are being discussed for both male ad female sexual organs, so that inndividuals can be taxed on every ocassion they engage in joint or solitary sexual practises. A radio beacon flashes a signal to a satellite, and CHA-CHINGETY CHING ,the set tax rate amount is auto deducted from your debit account. The Kansas City policy is that people have to much free sex these days.It needs to be metered.And besides, the tax rolls are open for public inspection as is always the case./s

They have no business cotrolling who or how many folks use
private drive ways. They need to get out of people’s lives and stay out.


26 posted on 02/12/2011 6:16:04 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Paladin2

They need to be tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail. If they keep doing this they might provoke something a little more severe.


27 posted on 02/12/2011 6:17:19 PM PST by 17th Miss Regt
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To: Innovative

Did the citizens of mission know about this? Or is a big gov’t doing what citizens don’t know they need?


28 posted on 02/12/2011 6:24:02 PM PST by presently no screen name
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To: Innovative

The city taxes businesses here for impervious surfaces. They call it a runoff tax.


29 posted on 02/12/2011 6:29:06 PM PST by Rebelbase
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To: Innovative
See my post 10 — they count the seats in the church, and charge accordingly, even if nobody shows up.

If it really is a tax on seats (which I did not find on line), then there is an easy answer that can be inserted into the church bulletin: "To avoid cutting our services to those in greatest need, all pews have been removed for so long as the immoral tax on seats in each church imposed by City Administrator Mike Scanlon


The guilty party: Mike Scanlon

is in force. We regret the inconvenience to decent members of our congregation and especially to the elderly. Our pews will be reinstalled as soon as City Administrator Mike Scanlon mscanlon@missionks.org or the replacement to be named by Mayor Laura McConwell lmcconwell@missionks.org revokes this pew tax. It is our deepest hope that this tax wording was not chosen for the purpose of punishing our members while letting Islam have a free ride."


Church with pews - taxed


Mosque with no "seats" - not taxed?

Wouldn't that be fun?

30 posted on 02/12/2011 6:40:11 PM PST by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Innovative

This is not a tax, it's a fee...

31 posted on 02/12/2011 6:51:06 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Innovative

“This is not a tax, this is a fee.”

Filthy lousy rotten scum of the Earth alert. Those are fighting words if I’ve ever heard them.


32 posted on 02/12/2011 6:54:40 PM PST by MarineBrat (Better dead than red!)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; Delacon; ...

Thanks Innovative. Obama should be charged taxes on each of those Jeremiah Wright sermons that he claims he never heard, we could balance the budget.


33 posted on 02/12/2011 7:05:18 PM PST by SunkenCiv (The 2nd Amendment follows right behind the 1st because some people are hard of hearing.)
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To: Pollster1

“For churches, the tax is based on an assumption about the number of vehicle trips.

“Single family homes are assessed a fixed rate of $72 per year while 5.8 total weekly vehicle trips are estimated per worship facility seat to calculate the tax amount for churches,” ADF said.

From: Town taxes Christians for listening to sermons http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=242657#ixzz1Do0Zwysz


34 posted on 02/12/2011 7:26:33 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Pollster1

“The city has an oddly precise formula to calculate how much of churches’ coffers should go toward the fee. According to its logic, each seat on each pew in the church generates 5.8 car trips per week. “

http://blogs.pitch.com/plog/2010/12/mission_churches_driveway_tax.php


35 posted on 02/12/2011 7:29:50 PM PST by Innovative (Weakness is provocative.)
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To: Innovative

If they start taxing churches they are then free to preach politics in their sermons.


36 posted on 02/12/2011 7:41:43 PM PST by jimpick
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To: SZonian

“We don’t need to pay the fee”
You don’t need to pay.
“This isn’t the parish you are looking for”
No, no, it isn’t.
“Move along”


37 posted on 02/12/2011 8:19:33 PM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: BenKenobi

The Master has spoken...

I’m not worthy to be a padawan.


38 posted on 02/12/2011 8:40:31 PM PST by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: Paladin2
So, how do these b0z0s get re-elected?

See: OBAMA VOTER.

39 posted on 02/12/2011 8:46:19 PM PST by usconservative (When The Ballot Box No Longer Counts, The Ammunition Box Does. (What's In Your Ammo Box?))
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To: Innovative

There was a time when many States required church attendance.


40 posted on 02/12/2011 8:51:04 PM PST by Monorprise
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To: Lurker
If it's imposed by Government and backed up by the threat of force if you don't pay, it's a tax.

every decree at every layer of gobmint is enforced at the muzzle of a rifle...

most people dont think it thru to the logical conclusion, that if they dont comply, they will die...

41 posted on 02/12/2011 9:48:47 PM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: SZonian

“I’m not worthy to be a padawan.”

Obi-wan has taught you well.

Be mindful of your posts. I foresee you becoming a great Jedi.


42 posted on 02/12/2011 10:40:01 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: Innovative

There was a prophecy back in the late 70s that there would come a tax on churches in later decades. It would start out as a small nuisance tax, but quickly grow to be a church-killing tax.

If this tax survives a court challenge, it could spread.


43 posted on 02/12/2011 10:45:09 PM PST by PastorBooks
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To: PastorBooks

Personally I would think that we are near the point where we must have an open discussion on the entire fiscal framework leading to major reform of all Taxes/fees aka revenue.
First stop IMO is to end non-profit/tax exemption for ALL organizations and these should become part of this discussion.


44 posted on 02/13/2011 12:59:52 AM PST by iopscusa (El Vaquero. (SC Lowcountry Cowboy))
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To: Innovative

Whether tax or fee, they are still charging people to go to church. IOW, they are putting a burden on free exercise.


45 posted on 02/13/2011 3:55:17 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain & proud of it: Truly Supporting the Troops means praying for their Victory!)
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To: Paladin2
So, how do these b0z0s get re-elected?

Because the freeloaders often outnumber the taxpayers. Though in this case, that isn't true. Unless people believe that a tax on business isn't passed on to the consumer. Or in this case, they don't believe that an unconstitutional tax on the number of chairs in a church is a tax on people that practice their religion.

46 posted on 02/13/2011 4:12:16 AM PST by meyer (We will not sit down and shut up.)
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To: Innovative
"This is not a tax," She said in a telephone interview. "This is a fee."

A fee to use your own property? I could buy that if it was for the use of public facilities.

47 posted on 02/13/2011 6:41:38 AM PST by Vanders9
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To: bamahead; wagglebee; little jeremiah; JulieRNR21; metmom; Tired of Taxes; wintertime

I hope that the people responsible for this travesty can be recalled.


48 posted on 02/13/2011 2:05:35 PM PST by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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To: Candor7

SSHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!

Don’t give them any ideas!!!!!


49 posted on 02/13/2011 3:18:41 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: Innovative; Quix; greyfoxx39; Salvation; Vision; tutstar; WKB

You won’t believe this ping


50 posted on 02/13/2011 3:21:27 PM PST by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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