Skip to comments.Taking Liberties: Taxing Church Attendance?
Posted on 02/12/2011 5:45:45 PM PST by Innovative
"The city of Mission is taxing churches," he said. "And thatâs clearly unconstitutional."
In August, the small town just north of Kansas City passed the so-called "driveway tax," a controversial charge, in addition to property taxes, for residents and businesses based on the number of times their driveway is used.
A big box store like Target can pay over $60,000 annually, while residents pay a flat rate of $72 dollars a year.
"The city of mission is taxing churches based on the number of people that come in and out of their driveway, the number of people that come to church," he said.
Mission's Mayor Laura McConwell, who has overseen the proposal and implementation of the program disagrees.
"This is not a tax," She said in a telephone interview. "This is a fee."
(Excerpt) Read more at foxnews.com ...
Watch it go national...
These days the first amendment only applies to perverts
IS THIS A JOKE?
If it's imposed by Government and backed up by the threat of force if you don't pay, it's a tax.
So, have they eliminated free parking along the streets too?
“IS THIS A JOKE?”
I know it sounds like it, but unfortunately it is absolutely true. I saw it on Fox News earlier today and searched Google News and sure enough, it’s as real as death and taxes.
Church moves out of city limits, city loses tax dollars. Although, I do not think that this tax is constitutional.
These people are getting desperate.
They gave to figure out a way to pay for all those six figure pensions.
Will they tax homeowners double if their mothers-in-law move in? That would be the limit.
On Foxnews they had an interview and it was said that they tax based on SEATS in the church, not even the cars in the driveway, so even if you had a 30% attendance, they have to pay as if they had 100%.
Great, everybody park on the street!
Another point — this article is about churches and it’s outrageous, but they are taxing businesses, which will hurt the economy and make it harder for employers to offer jobs.
Of course, the greedy ones will find a way to shut that down.
See my post 10 — they count the seats in the church, and charge accordingly, even if nobody shows up.
So take out the chairs and use bean bags or mattresses.
(Do the Mussies avoid this tax with their rugs?)
Businesses will move outside of Mission and cut its "take" further.
So, how do these b0z0s get re-elected?
“...or the free exercise thereof.” So unconstitutional it isn’t even funny. What a pity the regard for the Constitution is so low that it takes a court case to get two-bit tyrants to pay attention to it.
Okay. We quit scheduling services, therefore there is 0% utilization.
Or if they're going to charge for 100% utilization they need to guarantee 100% utilization. City councilmembers first to take up the slack. And no slipping out early -- you HAVE to stay for the sermon on Greed and Mammon.
An Excess Of Liberals.
Damn these fools. America is gone.
Just wait until they force nerve implants or sensitivity bracelets in order to tax orgasms.
It will be a fee to discourage overpopulation figuring that the less often everybody enjoys married bliss, the lower the expenses will be to run schools five years later.
More creeping socialism - incremental cyanide.
“America is gone.”
The only question remains is whether we need to buy prayer rugs and learn which way is Mecca or should we learn Chinese instead...
Seems to me that the residents of the city pay their darn taxes; therefore, they pay for the road to park their cars. This is just evil in my book. Just a way to eliminate some churches. With everything going on in our country and the world, we need people to go to church more than ever. Just a thought.
Kansas City also is discussing installing meters on people’s toilets and imposing a user pay tax which charges the set tax rate per flushing. You pull that toilet handle, and cha- ching, its auto deducted from your debit account right away./s
Implants are being discussed for both male ad female sexual organs, so that inndividuals can be taxed on every ocassion they engage in joint or solitary sexual practises. A radio beacon flashes a signal to a satellite, and CHA-CHINGETY CHING ,the set tax rate amount is auto deducted from your debit account. The Kansas City policy is that people have to much free sex these days.It needs to be metered.And besides, the tax rolls are open for public inspection as is always the case./s
They have no business cotrolling who or how many folks use
private drive ways. They need to get out of people’s lives and stay out.
They need to be tarred, feathered and run out of town on a rail. If they keep doing this they might provoke something a little more severe.
Did the citizens of mission know about this? Or is a big gov’t doing what citizens don’t know they need?
The city taxes businesses here for impervious surfaces. They call it a runoff tax.
If it really is a tax on seats (which I did not find on line), then there is an easy answer that can be inserted into the church bulletin: "To avoid cutting our services to those in greatest need, all pews have been removed for so long as the immoral tax on seats in each church imposed by City Administrator Mike Scanlon
The guilty party: Mike Scanlon
is in force. We regret the inconvenience to decent members of our congregation and especially to the elderly. Our pews will be reinstalled as soon as City Administrator Mike Scanlon email@example.com or the replacement to be named by Mayor Laura McConwell firstname.lastname@example.org revokes this pew tax. It is our deepest hope that this tax wording was not chosen for the purpose of punishing our members while letting Islam have a free ride."
Church with pews - taxed
Mosque with no "seats" - not taxed?
Wouldn't that be fun?
This is not a tax, it's a fee...
“This is not a tax, this is a fee.”
Filthy lousy rotten scum of the Earth alert. Those are fighting words if I’ve ever heard them.
Thanks Innovative. Obama should be charged taxes on each of those Jeremiah Wright sermons that he claims he never heard, we could balance the budget.
“For churches, the tax is based on an assumption about the number of vehicle trips.
“Single family homes are assessed a fixed rate of $72 per year while 5.8 total weekly vehicle trips are estimated per worship facility seat to calculate the tax amount for churches,” ADF said.
From: Town taxes Christians for listening to sermons http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=242657#ixzz1Do0Zwysz
“The city has an oddly precise formula to calculate how much of churches’ coffers should go toward the fee. According to its logic, each seat on each pew in the church generates 5.8 car trips per week. “
If they start taxing churches they are then free to preach politics in their sermons.
“We don’t need to pay the fee”
You don’t need to pay.
“This isn’t the parish you are looking for”
No, no, it isn’t.
The Master has spoken...
I’m not worthy to be a padawan.
See: OBAMA VOTER.
There was a time when many States required church attendance.
every decree at every layer of gobmint is enforced at the muzzle of a rifle...
most people dont think it thru to the logical conclusion, that if they dont comply, they will die...
“Im not worthy to be a padawan.”
Obi-wan has taught you well.
Be mindful of your posts. I foresee you becoming a great Jedi.
There was a prophecy back in the late 70s that there would come a tax on churches in later decades. It would start out as a small nuisance tax, but quickly grow to be a church-killing tax.
If this tax survives a court challenge, it could spread.
Personally I would think that we are near the point where we must have an open discussion on the entire fiscal framework leading to major reform of all Taxes/fees aka revenue.
First stop IMO is to end non-profit/tax exemption for ALL organizations and these should become part of this discussion.
Whether tax or fee, they are still charging people to go to church. IOW, they are putting a burden on free exercise.
Because the freeloaders often outnumber the taxpayers. Though in this case, that isn't true. Unless people believe that a tax on business isn't passed on to the consumer. Or in this case, they don't believe that an unconstitutional tax on the number of chairs in a church is a tax on people that practice their religion.
A fee to use your own property? I could buy that if it was for the use of public facilities.
I hope that the people responsible for this travesty can be recalled.
Don’t give them any ideas!!!!!
You won’t believe this ping