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Rumsfeld: "Time Has Come" To Allow Gays To Serve Openly
ABC News ^ | 2/11/11 | Steven Portnoy

Posted on 02/12/2011 6:12:20 PM PST by FTJM

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To: samtheman

Gin Rummy helping out buddy Dick Cheney, his daughter has been the excuse to have enough Republicans support this garbage.

I think their books and public pronouncements are to help the left-wing now. First Bush now Rumsfeld, they didn’t fight the propaganda the left was putting out years ago when it would have done some good.

Now they keep talking and rehashing stuff that isn’t going to change in anyone’s mind and diverts attention from the issues at hand.


101 posted on 02/12/2011 9:38:15 PM PST by Steelers6
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To: cva66snipe

“the military is no place for social engineering...”

Agreed. 100%.

Thanks for the naval service!

I was in the army. We, obviously, were not as dimensionally constrained. But from basic to schools to normal barracks living, we always had communal bedrooms, showers and shitters.

Which just wouldn’t be right for sexual opposites.

I don’t like doing personal maintenance and evacuation chores in front of my own potential love interests. Nor do I care to inflame the lust interests of physically close other men.

The sex/gender stuff is bad enough.

But, in my opinion, the general precedent of allowing the lowest elements of pop culture to affect military-related decisions and even the UCMJ itself is a major defeat for the defense of Freedom.


102 posted on 02/12/2011 9:44:04 PM PST by BuddhaBrown (Path to enlightenment: Four right turns, then go straight until you see the Light!)
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To: manc
RE :”most of talk radio are cowards who cannot talk abut social issue, the likes of Hannity piss me off, all he ever does is talk debt, or health care but try and call in about conservative issues like abortion, homosexual agenda etc and they tell you not today

I cant listen to Hannity but it doesn't surprise me. DADT was lost by them. They let the ball drop and Obama filled the vacuum with those Gates ‘studies’.

103 posted on 02/12/2011 9:49:30 PM PST by sickoflibs ("It's not the taxes, the redistribution is the federal spending=tax delayed")
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To: FlingWingFlyer

Come May, will he class of 2011 chose to skip the recuiters office, will the class of 2007 who will be finishing their 1st hitch be refuseing to re-up??? Splain that Rummy.


104 posted on 02/12/2011 10:22:47 PM PST by Waco (From Seward to Sara)
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To: FTJM

“an idea whose time has come.” That claim is the weakest, lamest, flakiest justification for any bad notion that comes along. Every bad decision ever made was once “an idea whose time has come.”


105 posted on 02/13/2011 4:38:26 AM PST by Malesherbes (Sauve qui peut)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

I’m still buying his book. 100% proceeds go to the military & their families.


106 posted on 02/13/2011 6:01:29 AM PST by FES0844
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To: FES0844

I’m still buying his book. 100% proceeds go to the military & their families.

Perhaps there are better ways to support military families that do not involve casting your lot with those socially re-engineering the military ... The Armed Forces Foundation


107 posted on 02/13/2011 6:45:55 AM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: sickoflibs

very very well said.

If the likes of broken record Hannity had spoken up over don’t ask and social issues then we would not have this crap going on now.

The left wanted us to shut up about the homosexual agenda.
The 2%, frigging 2% of the population wanted to impose what their lifestyle onto us and then tell us it is normal.

Then many on the right stayed quiet, then many on the right went into the shadows and said lets not talk about it as that 2% of the population might not like us and the media might call us a name.

Hannity and others run around telling us all he’s for the troops but when we needed a voice he stayed silent so he would not anger his cocktail Manhattan liberal pals like Bob Beckel.

True conservatives would have spoken up as would true republicans but Cheney comes out then Bush’s wife, Then McCain’s wife then Rumsfeld

This only makes me want to fight their agenda even more and no way can I stand here and see a fine good institution be turned into a place where we have men dressing as women, men holding hands on base and kissing each other good bye etc.


108 posted on 02/13/2011 7:57:04 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FlingWingFlyer

You should, It’s very good.


109 posted on 02/13/2011 8:21:12 AM PST by Valin
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To: little jeremiah

agreed there are more of us than ther 2% and their supporters who follow blindly.

Here’s the problem though, they;re like the Ron paul voters, they are few but run around making the most noise.

Now we have cowards on our side too, The cowards on talk radio those who have a TV show like Hannity who simple refuse to acknowledge that social conservatism needs to be talked about, to inform viewers and listeners.
If some had any idea what the homosexual agenda is then they too would wake up, even on here some have tried to defend the homosexual agenda, thankfully most were banned by JR.


110 posted on 02/13/2011 8:22:03 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: central_va

Seeing this yesterday has discouraged and depressed me more than anything since Obama becoming President.

Et tu Brute?


111 posted on 02/13/2011 9:05:32 AM PST by rlmorel ("Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: FTJM; All

“But Rumsfeld says that congress, which passed the repeal bill in the waning days of the last session, has expressed the will of the American people.”

It what convoluted way can someone come to the conclusion that a “lame duck” congress (a vast many having been voted out for there stands on such issues) represent the “will” of the American People? That is illogical.

IF the newly seated Congress was to repeal it, THEN he might be able to make such a claim.

I have genuine affection for President G.W. Bush, but he surrounded himself with some terrible advisers on National Defense....both Rumsfeld and Gates are terrible losers.


112 posted on 02/13/2011 11:34:55 AM PST by Sola Veritas (Trying to speak truth - not always with the best grammar or spelling)
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To: FTJM

When will the polygamists, beastophiles and pedophiles have their “day come?”


113 posted on 02/13/2011 11:45:11 AM PST by Grizzled Bear ("Does not play well with others.")
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To: Grizzled Bear

correct I am sick that those who have sex with animals or want 5 wives or marry their daughter cannot and it violates their civil rights.
We should all welcome peoples lifestyle and we should open our arms to them, I mean come on why not.

We should not let the Govt dictate peoples lives, leave the Govt out of it and so what if two men are dressed as women on base holding hands and kissing, welcome them

ARF
WHAT UTTER CRAP, there is a line in the sand right now and on one side is normal healthy families and marriage on the other side is anything goes and let them force it onto our children, the mentally sick are pushing their views and sick perverted lifestyle onto us.

On a kids program yesterday called degrassi they had two boys no older than 17 kissing on the bed.
WTH is wrong with these parents and people and as for Rumsfeld, Cheny Bush etc let them share showers, sleeping bags and room with homo’s and let them have these people come onto them and see how they like it .


114 posted on 02/13/2011 12:30:36 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: prairiebreeze

“Bull dykes hitting on fresh-faced young recruits. And not Thing One the recruits can do about it. Nice.”

Actually, they can say, “No thank you, ma’am, not interested.” Exactly the same way a female recruit can say to a male officer who is hitting on her, “Sir! Not interested, sir!”


115 posted on 02/13/2011 2:02:53 PM PST by mistereks
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To: mistereks

The recruit does not have to subsequently bunk with the male. Or share a latrine. Or a shower.


116 posted on 02/13/2011 2:20:07 PM PST by prairiebreeze (Egyptian Foreign Minister to Barack Obama: "Boy, go play somewhere else.")
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To: mistereks

missing the point, women do not have to share with men plus homosexuals have more protection and complaints against these perverts get ignored then they will wonder why others will take matters in their own hands

now what username was you before you was banned before?


117 posted on 02/13/2011 2:33:25 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: mistereks

Exactly the same way a female recruit can say to a male officer who is hitting on her, “Sir! Not interested, sir!”

You live in Utopia? In the real world, butt-naked in the shower is the wrong place to have to make such a response. The military has one mission and one mission only: to be the most efficient, most effective, fighting force on the face of the Earth. Anything that breaks a soldier from that focus is unwelcome. Showering with someone you find attractive, or showering with someone that finds you attractive, is a focus breaker ... period.


118 posted on 02/13/2011 2:34:47 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: 2nd Bn, 11th Mar

O man, what has happened to you Rummy?


119 posted on 02/13/2011 2:37:45 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: so_real

I wonder what their username was before they signed up today to post that.

Agree on your post and to add, Imagine coming back from a battle, a patrol and now you see two men going at it or you go on watch and you see two men going at it.

The implications of this will destroy the fine institution but it’s not surprise they have gone after the military as they have gone after conservative conventions, websites, boy scouts, anything to do with morals.

I read this the other month and it was truly shocking to see what their rules were back in the 60’s.
It seems they are still fighting the cold war.


120 posted on 02/13/2011 3:14:36 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: so_real

forgot to post the rules they follow

http://www.uhuh.com/nwo/communism/comgoals.htm


121 posted on 02/13/2011 3:15:45 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: manc

It's a shame so many of less our guard down. It seems we've become a spineless lot post-McCarthy. How great a tragedy will we allow visited upon us before the majority grows a pair again.


122 posted on 02/13/2011 4:32:07 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

so many of less us let our guard down


123 posted on 02/13/2011 4:35:16 PM PST by so_real ( "The Congress of the United States recommends and approves the Holy Bible for use in all schools.")
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To: so_real

I hear you.
How many times have we heard people say , well times have changed or oh well it doesn’t affect me etc?

If the like of Hannity etc had talked about don’t ask and other social issues then the GOP would feel that they needed to go along with it due to pressure but instead the cowards stay silent and that is what the far left and the homosexual community want .


124 posted on 02/13/2011 5:03:05 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: fabian

I am sick at heart. I just cannot believe it. How ironic is the new tagline I just attached two days ago?

I can barely stand this anymore.


125 posted on 02/13/2011 6:44:09 PM PST by rlmorel ("Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: so_real

It turns out McCarthy was right all along, and in reality, he should have been fighting harder...no...not him, he gave his life fighting against the tide...all of the REST of us should have been fighting harder with him.

Now, we will look back on this some years in the future, and we will be in exactly the same position McCarthy was, him with communism, us with homosexuality normalization.

Sad. This just broke something inside to hear Rumsfeld say this.


126 posted on 02/13/2011 6:47:51 PM PST by rlmorel ("Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: rlmorel

Sigh.


127 posted on 02/13/2011 6:50:03 PM PST by rlmorel (Now I have to change this tagline: "Weakness is provocative." Donald Rumsfeld)
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To: rlmorel

He needs the Be Still exercise at fhu.com....maybe someone can get it to him?


128 posted on 02/13/2011 6:55:48 PM PST by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo in laughter")
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To: FTJM

I was going to buy Rumsfeld’s new book.

Now that I find out Rumsfeld supports Homos openly serving in the U.S. Armed Forces, I think I will save my money and not waste it buying his book.


129 posted on 02/13/2011 7:02:50 PM PST by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: manc
most of talk radio are cowards who cannot talk about social issue.....

Excellent post. Yes, the silence of Limbaugh, Hannity, Levin, Beck and the rest on DADT, the START Treaty and other social issues was deafening. They are definetly phonies when it comes to social conservative issues.

Had Limbaugh and the rest done their jobs, they could have put enough pressure on the RINO Senators that they would have upheld a filabuster against DADT and kill the START treaty.

We hear very little about social conservative concerns from this bunch these days. All we hear about are the budget, health care or Egypt.

130 posted on 02/13/2011 7:32:09 PM PST by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: AmericaOne

nail on head.
I’ve given up on them now. They for the most part sound like broken records who only talk debt, health care but never social issues and other matters which is conservatism.

I agree if the likes of Hannity had talked about don’t ask etc then this would have put so much pressure on the GOP to stop this madness and other issues but I guess money and Manhattan cocktail party liberal pals are more important./

While some still think they’re like Gods I do not and I can’t be bothered anymore to watching or listening to them .

You know wha really pissed me off is the likes of Hannity and hwo says they are for the troops.
Well many of us were talking and said that we needed a voice on this and talk radio has a platform.

Some of us called his show and asked his screen er that we would like t talk about it.
All of us were told no they were not discussing the subject today and when others called other days they got the same answer.
He’s not for the troops, he’s there for him to make a name and money.
It amazes me how many still for them and think they;re like a God or something.

It took me years but now I see them for who they are, cowards for the most part who do not want to rock the boat or piss of their elitist pals on the left.


131 posted on 02/13/2011 7:43:01 PM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FTJM

I knew there was a reason - OK, a lot of them - why I didn’t like Rumsfeld as SecDef!


132 posted on 02/13/2011 7:44:27 PM PST by Mr Rogers (Poor history is better than good fiction, and anything with lots of horses is better still)
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To: manc

Thanks for the info about you and others calling Hannity’s radio show and trying to get Hannity to talk about DADT and other things. He is a phony thru and thru. You are right that if you ‘support the troops’, you don’t keep quiet while the left and their RINO allies push repeal of DADT to allow Homos to serve openly in the ranks.

I’ve had Hannity pegged as a phony conservative since he backed Guilianni in the 2008 primary, but thought the other major talk show host would discuss the effort to repeal DADT and other issues, but no, they chose to remain silent when they could have spoken up and possibly stopped DADT from being repealed.


133 posted on 02/13/2011 8:22:04 PM PST by AmericaOne (Sneaking In is NOT Immigration!!!)
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To: AmericaOne

spent years watching and listening to most of them but I’ve seen how cowardly or phony they are and now given up.

Have a nice week to you and your family


134 posted on 02/14/2011 7:04:09 AM PST by manc (Shame on all who voted for the repeal of DADT, who supported it or never tried to stop it. Traitors)
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To: FTJM

If the “time has come”, why does everyone have to be trained to like them?


135 posted on 02/14/2011 7:15:38 AM PST by AppyPappy (If you aren't part of the solution, there is good money to be made prolonging the problem.)
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To: FTJM

Yes gays have served honorably, I won’t argue that point. But the difference is, they did it without making their sexuality an issue. Once it’s officially legalized, everything will change. Now gays will have to be accommodated, and one thing we know is that when gays get into a position of power in an organization, they tend to hire other gays and entrench themselves into certain areas, and promote each other.


136 posted on 02/14/2011 7:19:19 AM PST by dfwgator
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To: whatisthetruth

Hey, now, dad looked good in that photo!/s


137 posted on 02/14/2011 3:19:32 PM PST by dynachrome ("Our forefathers didn't bury their guns. They buried those that tried to take them.")
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To: Antoninus

Will not buy anything from any of these so called conservatives.


138 posted on 02/15/2011 10:05:56 AM PST by NJBushcountry
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To: central_va

It is time that the states consider seceding and forming the Conservative States of America(CSA). When the states start forming regiments and see how fast things change.

Could never happen. I don’t think a state could be on their own. California could a few years ago. Alaska takes more federal money than gives. Texas has way too much federal land. Maybe Utah?


139 posted on 02/21/2011 7:26:46 AM PST by napscoordinator
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To: central_va
It is time that the states consider seceding and forming the Conservative States of America(CSA). When the states start forming regiments and see how fast things change.

There isn't anything in the Constitution forbidding secession. As long as it isn't part of an armed rebellion, there's no legal reason why it can't be done.

140 posted on 02/27/2011 3:57:53 AM PST by Crucial
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