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Kelly McParland: Ontario quietly reverses field on wind, solar energy
National Post ^ | February 12, 2011 | Kelly McParland

Posted on 02/12/2011 9:00:13 PM PST by george76

Times of international turmoil are great moments for domestic governments to make important announcements they don’t want to be noticed. Especially if the announcement involves a sudden reversal in policy that could seriously embarrass the government.

So Friday afternoon was an ideal time for Ontario’s Liberal government to take a big chunk of its alternative energy program and chuck it overboard. ..

After years of touting wind projects as a critical piece of the alternative energy puzzle, the government let slip — very quietly — that offshore wind projects are no longer part of the game plan. Turns out there just isn’t enough scientific evidence that offshore wind projects do a lick of good...

Gee, now wouldn’t you think the government would have checked out the science before insisting wind power was the way of the future? Evidently not. The McGuinty people have been pushing ahead vigorously on the wind front ever since they concluded they could squeeze more votes from trendy enviro-enthusiasts, who are in favour of anything that sounds remotely Greenish, whether it makes sense or not.

They’ve been running into a spot of bother, though, as rural residents grow increasingly agitated at the monster wind towers being slapped up wherever the government sees fit to put them. Turns out the government may have been a bit rash in dismissing complaints that the low-level noise from the turbines can cause health problems...

Added to McGuinty’s problems with wind are similar signs of trouble on the solar front.

(Excerpt) Read more at fullcomment.nationalpost.com ...


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alternativeenergy; blowncash; daltonmcguinty; econuts; energy; greenies; liberals; mcguinty; ontario; solar; wind; windpower; windturbines

1 posted on 02/12/2011 9:00:16 PM PST by george76
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To: steelyourfaith

Ping.


2 posted on 02/12/2011 9:04:51 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76
Great. Just when the idiots in Ohio are planning to screw up Lake Erie with a bunch of these navigational hazards, the Canadians figure out they're a waste.
3 posted on 02/12/2011 9:05:50 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: george76
Turns out there just isn’t enough scientific evidence that offshore wind projects do a lick of good, said Brad Duguid, the energy minister...with the global collapse of all credibility of the man-made global warming hoax, the enviro-dilettantes no longer have any leverage to push their job- and economy-destroying green agenda......
4 posted on 02/12/2011 9:08:09 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: george76

It looks like Ontario has figured out how STUPID wind projects are. A decade ago they figured out how STUPID it is to (virtually) sell off a highway (Route 407) to a foreign company, and have not repeated that IDIOTIC mistake.

However, in the interest of never letting a STUPID idea die, the star of CPAC did the same with the Indiana Toll Road (to the same company, nonetheless) when he was governor there...and now the people of North Indiana will have to pay for his STUPIDITY for generations.


5 posted on 02/12/2011 9:14:34 PM PST by BobL (PLEASE READ: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2657811/posts)
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To: george76

Ontario doesn’t want green energy, eh?


6 posted on 02/12/2011 9:16:14 PM PST by wastedyears (It has nothing to do with safety, and everything to do with control.)
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To: george76
That's why I'm not overly worried about the environuts here in America. There agenda is so radical and damaging that it's unsustainable politically. Of course that won't stop the left from trying.
7 posted on 02/12/2011 9:18:41 PM PST by youngidiot (Don't let the name fool ya, toots.)
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To: Clive

Ping.


8 posted on 02/12/2011 9:20:16 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: george76

Well so much for becoming the “Great Green North”...


9 posted on 02/12/2011 9:26:12 PM PST by bigbob
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To: george76

There’s a Texas billionaire who found out the hard way, too.....


10 posted on 02/12/2011 9:26:39 PM PST by Red Badger (Want to be surprised? Google your own name. Want to have fun? Google your friend's names.....)
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To: Clive; fanfan

Canada ping


11 posted on 02/12/2011 9:34:34 PM PST by Don W (Only a Biker knows why a dog sticks his head out of a car window.)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>”The Bush, he kinda just turned around and really just gave me this scowl.” <<

Put large bowls under the blades and you will have unending free fowl.


12 posted on 02/12/2011 9:36:15 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: hinckley buzzard

>>Great. Just when the idiots in Ohio are planning to screw up Lake Erie with a bunch of these navigational hazards, the Canadians figure out they’re a waste. <<

My cut and paste is really acting weird.

THAT is what I was talking about when I said to put big bowls out for free fowl...


13 posted on 02/12/2011 9:37:56 PM PST by freedumb2003 (The TOTUS-reader is a Judas Goat, leading the American sheeple to the slaugherhouse /Parmy)
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To: george76
"Gee, now wouldn’t you think the government would have checked out the science before insisting wind power was the way of the future?

Or maybe they could have paid attention during a fifth grade science class? Humm, maybe we should still teach science instead of pottery and self esteem 101? We have idiots making scientific decisions here in the USA as well. Here we also have CEO's of billion dollar utilities feeding at the green troth as well.

14 posted on 02/12/2011 10:17:42 PM PST by WHBates
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To: Intolerant in NJ
The most disturbing facet of this whole charade is the ease with which many respected scientists discarded the protections afforded by Scientific Method(SM). SM was the discipline that eventually reversed the countless woes created by centuries of sorcery and superstition. Current day acknowledged geniuses abandoned SM and declared global warming and alternative energy scams to be settled science without a single experiment or study controlled by the principles of Scientific Method. Einstein said it best when he observed, "No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong." That was the threat posed by Scientific Method, one properly designed experiment could cause billions of dollars of grant money to disappear so it was best not to do it.
15 posted on 02/12/2011 10:35:46 PM PST by immadashell
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bttt


16 posted on 02/12/2011 11:32:24 PM PST by Matchett-PI (Trent Lott on Tea Party candidates: "As soon as they get here, we need to co-opt them" 7/19/10)
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To: Army Air Corps; mmanager; Fiddlstix; Fractal Trader; FrPR; enough_idiocy; meyer; Normandy; ...
Thanx AAC !

 


Beam me to Planet Gore !

17 posted on 02/13/2011 4:08:36 AM PST by steelyourfaith (ObamaCare Death Panels: a Final Solution to the looming Social Security crisis ?)
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To: george76

Canada did something RIGHT? Whoa! Mark a calendar. This is hugh.


18 posted on 02/13/2011 5:35:57 AM PST by Desdemona (Join the Mass of Creation Cremation on the day after Thanksgiving - November 25, 2011)
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To: george76
I found this and think it speaks to the issue

Green Shoots


19 posted on 02/13/2011 5:38:11 AM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. N.C. D.E. +12 ....( History is a process, not an event ))
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To: wastedyears

P R VT is counting on all their(Canada’s) hydro power after the gov(Shumlin) closes Vermont Yankee Nuc
surprise surprise !!


20 posted on 02/13/2011 5:51:48 AM PST by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: wastedyears
Canada doesn't need some of the screw ball green.

Canada is a net exporter of oil, natural gas, coal, and electricity. It is one of the most important sources for U.S. energy imports.

Canada has considerable natural resources and is one of the world's largest producers and exporters of energy. In 2006, Canada produced 19.3 quadrillion British Thermal Units (Btu) of total energy, the fifth-largest amount in the world.

Almost all of Canada's energy exports go to the United States, making it the largest source of U.S. energy imports.

Canada is consistently among the top sources for U.S. oil imports, and it is the largest source of U.S. natural gas and electricity imports.

http://www.eia.doe.gov/cabs/Canada/Background.html

Our "elite" leaders should be looking north to see the right way to produce energy.

21 posted on 02/13/2011 6:29:56 AM PST by TYVets
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To: TYVets

Can I get an AMEN!


22 posted on 02/13/2011 8:15:15 AM PST by BenKenobi (Don't expect to build up the weak by pulling down the strong. - Silent Cal)
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To: Army Air Corps; exg; Alberta's Child; albertabound; AntiKev; backhoe; Byron_the_Aussie; ...

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23 posted on 02/13/2011 9:57:46 AM PST by Clive
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To: Don W

Ontario nearing bankruptcy under Dalton McGuinty

Ontario is in the worst financial shape in its history, and thanks to Dalton McGuinty there is no simple way out of this hole. Since taking office in 2003, Ontario’s spending has nearly doubled under McGuinty’s watch, climbing from $70-billion to over $120-billion today.

“If the Ontario government had to behave like a real business it would have declared bankruptcy by now,” says Peter Coleman President and CEO of the National Citizens Coalition. “There is no excuse for such reckless spending - eventually, someone has to pay the bills.”

It is Ontario’s taxpayers who are paying for this folly. With the provincial debt now past $220-billion, and with record setting year-over-year deficits the new norm, it is hard to see a silver lining for Ontario. “Major states in Europe and the rest of the world have declared bankruptcy this year and accepted financial bailout packages - Ontario needs to act now if we hope to avoid the same,” continues Coleman.

With Ontario now officially a ‘have-not’ province in Canada, we cannot rely on a robust economy and thriving manufacturing sector to drive growth and underwrite foolish spending. Ontario needs more than simple band-aid solutions, or nominal spending freezes - we need to reduce government spending immediately.

“The horse is already out of the barn,” comments Stephen Taylor, Director of the National Citizens Coalition. “This is not a potential problem, on the distant horizon - this is an urgent matter that needs attention now.”

Many Ontarians are wondering where all of this out-of-control spending has been directed, as services have not improved in the province. “After nearly doubling provincial spending in less than eight years, Ontarians’ lives have not improved, our economic situation has not improved and our access to services has flatlined. Where has this money gone?” asks Coleman.

It is time for Ontario to return to the fundamentals of economic management instead of looking for new ‘pet projects’ or ‘green’ initiatives to invest in.

http://nationalcitizens.ca/blog/2011/02/10/press-release-ontario-nearing-bankruptcy-under-dalton-mcguinty/


24 posted on 02/13/2011 3:08:39 PM PST by Para-Ord.45
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To: immadashell

When you give today’s scientists enough money, they’ll declare that sand is food. Just goes to prove that liberals can be bought because they have no principles.


25 posted on 02/13/2011 4:45:12 PM PST by mia
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To: george76

I think the difference between wind and solar is that solar has a clear path to efficency ratios that will make it an extremely viable energy player, even if it’s 10 or 20 years out from now.


26 posted on 02/13/2011 6:54:25 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

Canada does not get much sunshine. It has very few deserts, just a couple of very small thingys.


27 posted on 02/13/2011 8:20:05 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama . fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: Almondjoy

“I think the difference between wind and solar is that solar has a clear path to efficency ratios that will make it an extremely viable energy player, even if it’s 10 or 20 years out from now.”

I remain highly skeptical about your assertion.Solar power is not economically viable today except in some offgrid locations. I see little possibility beyond fundamental scientific and engineering breakthroughs that it will be viable in 10 or 20 years.


28 posted on 02/13/2011 8:48:36 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: immadashell
Current day acknowledged geniuses abandoned SM and declared global warming and alternative energy scams to be settled science without a single experiment or study controlled by the principles of Scientific Method...I suspect that global warming and alternative energy became the focus of these scams in large part because they do not lend themselves to proper scientific methods of inquiry. When you're trying to deal with forces and trends that are worldwide and last for decades if not centuries, it's very difficult to hold investigators to principles like rigorous theoretically based predictions, controlled experimentation, and repeatability of observations. Much better to use predictive models which can be fudged and shaded to provide the results you want.

So if you need a big buildup of CO2 in the atmosphere to provide the catastrophic damage you require to push your green agenda like no more drilling for our own oil and lots of expensive windmills built by you friend General Electric, you come up with the parameter that CO2 remains in the atmosphere for fifty to one hundred years - that would provide a nice buildup, and how can anybody disprove something predicted to take fifty years at a minimum won't happen. Except some very smart people did. Using controlled methods of measurement and observation, they actually tracked CO2 release and dissipation, and now have over thirty studies showing that it remains around to maybe do us harm for only from five to seven years - hardly providing the concentrations needed to bring the destruction the warmists are hoping for. Time is running out for them - they tried to get away with gutter science, and real scientists are putting an end to their scams.....

29 posted on 02/13/2011 9:44:58 PM PST by Intolerant in NJ
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To: businessprofessor

My assertion includes scientific breakthroughs in the next 10-20 years. It’s clear that efficency has improved and continues to improve. The fact is that oil will continue to a major role in society for a long time to come, however, solar seems to have a bright spot in all of our futures.


30 posted on 02/13/2011 9:57:52 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Candor7

Except that Sunshine does penetrate clouds.


31 posted on 02/13/2011 9:59:17 PM PST by Almondjoy
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To: Almondjoy

I only see marginal improvements. Solar has major drawbacks that efficiency improvements cannot address. Solar does not provide baseload power although solar thermal can spread power usage over longer periods at a cost. Solar requires expensive transmission capacity and backup capacity. Solar output declines substantially in the winter. Solar power generates only small amounts of peak power as solar output declines in the late afternoon during peak power requirements.

Industrial solar power is boutique energy generation, built because of political influence on the utility industry. Large scale deployment of solar power is the road to an energy meltdown.


32 posted on 02/13/2011 10:23:34 PM PST by businessprofessor
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To: businessprofessor

Some of the photocells they have been looking at can pull in multiple spectrums and double the efficency of current solar cells. Backup storage would be a way of holding onto energy harnessed during the day. Besides at some point no matter the energy source it’s going to make sense when Oil hits 500 a barrel.


33 posted on 02/14/2011 9:16:18 PM PST by Almondjoy
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